FBI releases Clinton investigation documents

[ludin]

Fallacious non answer. I guess that means you don't know.

She only had 1 server.

FBI:
It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, (lie number 1)

She only used 1 or 2 devices

FBI:
She had used as many as 13 different devices or phones (lie as well)

She never sent any classified data

FBI:

110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information.

She turned over all of her work emails.

FBI:

The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014.
at least 3 of those were classified.

her use of a private email server was permitted by law

No: A May report issued by the State Department’s inspector general found that it has been department policy since 2005 that work communication be restricted to government servers.

all her emails were captured by her .gov account.
False. The state department didn't start capturing emails till 2015 after she left lie yet again.

I could go on but the list is to long.

 

[ludin]

All though that site tries to explain away everything she did, the best they can do is make her look like an idiot. And then, at the end, incredibly, they say the report completely exonerates her! That's one for the low information voters.

the fact that it is mother jones you can dismiss it outright as a partisan hack.

 

[ludin]

For those who are interested

14 Excerpts From the FBI's Report on Hillary Clinton's Email | Mother Jones

so posting a left wing hack site like mother jones somehow dismisses all the facts stated by the FBI?
nope sorry try again

The only people interested in that drivel is the people that continue to spout it while ignoring fact.

 

[Moot]

It became illegal as soon as she used it to transmit government business. As much as you like to make excuses, she DID conduct government business on it. Can we agree on that much?

So stop making excuses and show me the law that supports your claim that's it's illegal, OC.

 

[Moot]

so posting a left wing hack site like mother jones somehow dismisses all the facts stated by the FBI?
nope sorry try again

The only people interested in that drivel is the people that continue to spout it while ignoring fact.

To be fair, don't you post any right wing websites to support your claims, either.

 

[OpportunityCost]

And yet you haven't said a word about Issa and Chaffetz exposing CIA operations and publishing classified information on the internet. So there's no reason to believe you, OC.

They aren't the subject of the thread, are you making deliberate attempts to derail the thread, Moot?

The information you bring forward is just as partisan and full of lies as you are. Like I said...there' no reason to believe you.

Actually it is for the State Department.

I just showed that is NOT standard procedure with the quoted information regarding the Under Deputy Secretary.

What about them?

They took minimal training as well. Pay attention to whats posted or quit making vacantly stupid posts.

 

[OpportunityCost]

So stop making excuses and show me the law that supports your claim that's it's illegal, OC.

I'm not digging for another single thing until you agree upon a standard. Do you agree it is illegal to conduct government business on a private medium not controlled and archived by the US government? Yes or no is all I need from you.

 

[ludin]

To be fair, don't you post any right wing websites to support your claims, either.

I haven't yet unless you consider the FBI a right wing website lol.

 

[ludin]

So stop making excuses and show me the law that supports your claim that's it's illegal, OC.

I posted it.

It is illegal to transfer classified data over unsecure networks.

There is a military man right now facing expulsion from the military for sending what was deemed classified data over his personal email account.

Was she allowed to use a private server?

No. As we wrote, the IG report said that it has been department policy since 2005 — four years before Clinton took office — that “normal day-to-day operations” be conducted on government servers.

National Archives and Records Administration requires all work-related emails to be properly preserved. Federal rules required Clinton to preserve work emails and turn them over before leaving office, but she did not turn over her emails until 21 months after she left office.

she had to wait because she was deleted emails that shouldn't have been deleted.

this took me all of 5 minutes to find.

Yes, the occasional use of a personal email account is permitted in certain circumstances, such as emergencies

 

[ludin]

I'm not digging for another single thing until you agree upon a standard. Do you agree it is illegal to conduct government business on a private medium not controlled and archived by the US government? Yes or no is all I need from you.

they give a pass for an emergency situation.

however it is 100% illegal to send classified data or emails over unsecured servers and it is 100% against the law.

 

[eohrnberger]

Moot, I don't care about who it is, no matter what is after their name for party affiliation, I would have problems with a Republican doing the very same thing.

Lets dig into your lying accusation. First and foremost you know I am not lying, I am bringing information forward. You making the accusation I am lying is simply a scumbag move on your part to bait and discredit me. So lets look at the actual facts rather than what you think is the normal procedure, because you couldn't be further away from what was supposed to happen.

Hillary Never Completed Security Briefings At State Dept | The Daily Caller



So does that mean a booklet is the standard for learning the security procedures? Not at all.


How about Clinton's aides?



So, next time you want to level an accusation you need to bring more than your half assed assumptions when you have no clue what you are talking about. I like to go and find information, its not my fault it makes Clinton look like an out of touch bureaucrat that thought she was above the law and incompetent at protecting government information because her need to evade oversight and freedom of information requests outweighed her duties.

Hear! Hear!

Moot, the private server and the way it was used are illegal. They were used to avoid oversight and freedom of information requests. In retrospect she would have done it again, but been more careful. We both know that's what she would have done.

Again, OpportunityCost excellent post. A cut to the wick. Well done, I have to say.

 

[OpportunityCost]

they give a pass for an emergency situation.

however it is 100% illegal to send classified data or emails over unsecured servers and it is 100% against the law.

See this is why we cant have a constructive conversation. You are attempting to evade by giving a reply different from my question. So let's try again and stick to the material at hand, ok?

Do you agree it is illegal to conduct government business on a private medium? JUST ANSWER YES OR NO!

LOL, you are not Moot. Sorry!

 

[Moot]

She only had 1 server.

FBI:
It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, (lie number 1)

She only used one server from March 2009 to February 2013 which encompassed most of her tenure as Sec. of State.

She only used 1 or 2 devices

FBI:
She had used as many as 13 different devices or phones (lie as well)

She only used one device at a time. When one blackberry would malfunction she had her aide go buy a new one. Over the four year period as Sec. of State she used 8 mobile devices in total. The FBI is also counting devices she used after she left her job.

She never sent any classified data

FBI:

110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information.

None of the emails were marked classified at the time they were sent or received.

She turned over all of her work emails.

FBI:

The FBI also discovered several thousand work-related e-mails that were not in the group of 30,000 that were returned by Secretary Clinton to State in 2014.
at least 3 of those were classified.

State department said the 3 emails should not have been classified. Clinton instructed her lawyers to sort through her emails to determine work related emails. They went by the email headers and names...so it's reasonable to assume they missed some...just as it's reasonable to assume some personal emails were included in the emails turned over to state.

her use of a private email server was permitted by law

No: A May report issued by the State Department’s inspector general found that it has been department policy since 2005 that work communication be restricted to government servers.

The State Department permitted personal email accounts.

all her emails were captured by her .gov account.
False. The state department didn't start capturing emails till 2015 after she left lie yet again.

The State Department server captured and preserved over 90% of Clinton's emails sent to .gov address on their SMART system which was put in place in 2008.

I could go on but the list is to long.

Don't bother....your list was bogus.

 

[Moot]

I'm not digging for another single thing until you agree upon a standard. Do you agree it is illegal to conduct government business on a private medium not controlled and archived by the US government? Yes or no is all I need from you.

No...it is not illegal to conduct official business on a private email account/server as long as the records are preserved. Now show me the law that says it is, OC.

 

[eohrnberger]

She only used one server from March 2009 to February 2013 which encompassed most of her tenure as Sec. of State.

Completely besides the point. Hillary shouldn't have been using a private server to begin with, and especially not for classified communications which Hillary was sure to send and receive, via the State secured and approved classified email system.

She only used one device at a time. When one blackberry would malfunction she had her aide go buy a new one. Over the four year period as Sec. of State she used 8 mobile devices in total. The FBI is also counting devices she used after she left her job.

Also completely besides the point, as she shouldn't have been using non-state approved devices to communication to begin with and especially so for classified communications which she was sure to send and receive, via the State secured and approved classified email system.

None of the emails were marked classified at the time they were sent or received.

Again, immaterial, as she was trained, or should have availed herself of available training as to the proper handling of classified materials she was sure to send and receive via email, the State secure and approved classified email system.

State department said the 3 emails should not have been classified. Clinton instructed her lawyers to sort through her emails to determine work related emails. They went by the email headers and names...so it's reasonable to assume they missed some...just as it's reasonable to assume some personal emails were included in the emails turned over to state.

The State Department permitted personal email accounts.

For non classified communications.

The State Department server captured and preserved over 90% of Clinton's emails sent to .gov address on their SMART system which was put in place in 2008.

Don't bother....your list was bogus.

The list was most certainly not bogus, what's bogus is you continuing to deny the obvious culpability of Hillary and her actions and decisions.

 

[Anthony60]

the fact that it is mother jones you can dismiss it outright as a partisan hack.

That's what I'm saying. The best they can do is make her look like an incompetent idiot. But they know that the other convenient idiots that read their site just need that declaration at the end, that the report exonerates her. They just eat that up, and it's all they need to know, and literally all they do know.

Trouble is, that's how we end up with fools like Obama in the WH, there are enough low info voters for the democrats to be a viable party.

 

[NonoBadDog]

For those who are interested

14 Excerpts From the FBI's Report on Hillary Clinton's Email | Mother Jones

Nope, not interested.

 

[OpportunityCost]

No...it is not illegal to conduct official business on a private email account/server as long as the records are preserved. Now show me the law that says it is, OC.

They weren't preserved. Case closed.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Moot, I don't care about who it is, no matter what is after their name for party affiliation, I would have problems with a Republican doing the very same thing.

Lets dig into your lying accusation. First and foremost you know I am not lying, I am bringing information forward. You making the accusation I am lying is simply a scumbag move on your part to bait and discredit me. So lets look at the actual facts rather than what you think is the normal procedure, because you couldn't be further away from what was supposed to happen.

Hillary Never Completed Security Briefings At State Dept | The Daily Caller



So does that mean a booklet is the standard for learning the security procedures? Not at all.


How about Clinton's aides?



So, next time you want to level an accusation you need to bring more than your half assed assumptions when you have no clue what you are talking about. I like to go and find information, its not my fault it makes Clinton look like an out of touch bureaucrat that thought she was above the law and incompetent at protecting government information because her need to evade oversight and freedom of information requests outweighed her duties.

I think this is what you are looking for.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism.

 

[Moot]

Completely besides the point. Hillary shouldn't have been using a private server to begin with, and especially not for classified communications which Hillary was sure to send and receive, via the State secured and approved classified email system.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Also completely besides the point, as she shouldn't have been using non-state approved devices to communication to begin with and especially so for classified communications which she was sure to send and receive, via the State secured and approved classified email system.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Again, immaterial, as she was trained, or should have availed herself of available training as to the proper handling of classified materials she was sure to send and receive via email, the State secure and approved classified email system.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

For non classified communications.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

The list was most certainly not bogus, what's bogus is you continuing to deny the obvious culpability of Hillary and her actions and decisions.

Perhaps this issue is too complicated for you.

 

[Moot]

wow are you just in denial?

The Director of the FBI and I quote:
110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

So are you saying the Director of the FBI is lying? what information do you have to support this claim.

No they don't all emails must be turned over for archiving as a matter of public record and FOIA requests. You just don't get to remove or delete emails willy nilly.
this must be an inconvenient fact for you along with everything else.

Wow...maybe Comey's in denial. The FBI report says its 81 email chains...not 52...

..In response to FBI requests for classification determination in support of this investigation, US intelligence Community (USIC) agencies determined that 81 e-mail chains, (b,c) which FBI investigation determined were transmitted and stored on Clintons unclassified personal server system, contained classified information ranging from Confidential to Top Secret/SAP levels at the time they were set between 2009-2013. USIC agencies determined that 68 of these email chains remain classified. In addition, the classification determination process administered by the US Department of State (State) in connection with Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation identified approximately 2,000 additional emails currently classified Confidential and 1 e-mail currently classified Secret, which FBI investigation determined were transmitted and stored on at least two od Clinton's personal server systems.(d) ....


(b) The number of classified e-mail chains identified may change as classification determination responses continue to be returned to the FBI
(c) For the purpose of the FBI's investigation, an "email chain" is defined as a set of email responses having the same initial email. The subject line may be edited in thses chains to reflect the purpose of the forward or reply.
(d) State did not provide a determination with respect to the classifications of these emails at the time they were sent....

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/hillary-r.-clinton-part-01-of-02/view​

 

[OpportunityCost]

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Nonsense. There weren't any rules, regulations or laws against using personal email accounts or servers for official business when Clinton was Sec. of State. Most of the alleged classified information was sent to her from .gov addresses and from government officials. She had a secure telephone and fax for classified information and teleconferencing set up by the State Department in both her homes and her office at the State Department. She also had daily briefings and received classified information in person. There was nothing in her emails that posed a threat to national security or warranted them to be classified until they were released to the public via FOIA.

Perhaps this issue is too complicated for you.

Clinton Broke Federal Rules With Email Server, Audit Finds - NBC News

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton violated federal records rules through her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state, a State Department audit has concluded.

Records Management by Federal Agencies (44 U.S.C. Chapter 31

Be quiet, Moot, you are wrong.

 

[Moot]

They weren't preserved. Case closed.

Apparently the emails were preserved on the State Dept. server because hundred of emails relating to Benghazi were included in the May 2014 Judicial Watch FOIA release. ..7 months before Clinton turned her 55,000 pages of emails over to State Department on Dec. 5, 2014. Badda boom badda bing.

 

[Fishking]

I was going to post that as well. She is either the stupidest person to ever run for president or the most corrupt, either way she should never come close to being president, and Comey should be fired.

I think Comey did about all he could do. He's not the one that supposed to bring charges and his boss in the President. What he did do was go on national TV and go line-by-line and debunked every single one of Hillary's lies regarding the emails.

That's free fodder for people to use against her.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Apparently the emails were preserved on the State Dept. server because hundred of emails relating to Benghazi were included in the May 2014 Judicial Watch FOIA release. ..7 months before Clinton turned her 55,000 pages of emails over to State Department on Dec. 5, 2014. Badda boom badda bing.

Except the 17000 that were deleted and not preserved by any means. I have been providing links. You don't seem to be reading them.