FBI discussed interviewing Michael Flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired,' handwritten notes

[marke]

jamesbyoung
Flynn knew that lying was a crime.

Flynn 'says' McCabe pushed him to not have an attorney.

Thoughtful people doubt that very much.



A dishonest immoral political cult dedicated to Trump has an agenda to save Flynn who confessed to crimes, was convicted, and is awaiting sentencing.

Benedict Arnold, a decorated war hero (and perhaps the best tactical general the Americans had in the Ward of Independence), sold his country out to the British.

Anybody who is supporting Flynn needs to be investigated by the government.

Democrat investigators rushed to the scene of a bomb blast and found Flynn rambling on about a phone call he had with a person he was going to be doing business with in his new job, so they charged him with the damage caused by the blast, as if his phone call had something to do with it. What the eager leftist prosecuting investigators failed to see when at the crime scene crater was camouflaged Peter Strzok kneeling there with bloody hands clutching the altered 302 which triggered the blast.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Oh, bull****. Go sell that crap to someone ignorant enough to care. Flynn is a pice of ****, lying scumbag. **** him. I hope he rots from the inside out.

Perhaps it's your coffee.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

What too many Americans do not realize is that dishonest immoral political cultists willing to do anything to further their party agenda will totally misunderstand and misrepresent things republicans say and then turn their own words back against them like a sword with intent to kill.

Leftists enemies of the elected republican government of the Trump administration had crookedly nailed a decorated war hero American general to the wall and financially ruined him by creating the ridiculous narrative that making erroneous statements about a harmless conversation is somehow tantamount to treason. That is not only evil but stupid.

Leftists everywhere are the same.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

The FBI, with spy tapes in hand, conspired to trick Trump and Flynn into an interview for the purpose of hurting them both as much as possible with whatever they could use to paint them is a negative light. Unfortunately the keen ears over at Obama spy headquarters could not find a single lie in anything Trump said, but they did manage to turn remarks about an insignificant conversation into an earth-shattering bomb shell of an explosive new revelation:

'Flynn caught in misstatement about a harmless conversation he had with the Russian ambassador!'

The FBI's intentions were quite clear, as Comey boasted. Flynn's mistake was in believing all Americans were on the same side regarding the Russians. Comey: "I Sent" FBI Agents Into WH, Wouldn't Have Gotten Away With It In A "More Organized Administration" | Video | RealClearPolitics

 

[Athanasius68]

from the moment you are questioned by the FBI, you know it is a crime to lie to them...

That isn't the law.

 

[Athanasius68]

It was already known to whom, exactly? There was the Ignatius Washington Post on Jan 12.... Pence and Priebus both asked Flynn about it in preparation for their Sunday appearances on Jan 15, and Flynn told them both that the story was inaccurate and gave them his version of events. As far as they were concerned, that was the actual truth. It wasn't.

The government. It was leaked to Ignatius.

 

[Athanasius68]

No one ever claimed Flynn was a Russian agent. That's moronic bs.

Then we have even less of a reason to investigate Flynn.

 

[Cordelier]

The government. It was leaked to Ignatius.

Just because something is leaked doesn't necessarily make it true, though, does it?

 

[Athanasius68]

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QUOTE=Cordelier;1071796658]You're reading too much into very limited information. You don't know what the FBI had on Flynn prior to his violation of 18 USC §1001. We do know he was (is?) under investigation for unreported payments from the Russians. He was also an unregistered lobbyist for the Turkish Government. Who knows what other questionable activities he was under investigation for?

Well, 18 USC 1001 requires that the misleading needs to be of a "material" fact in the investigation. If the government can't explain why Mr. Flynn was under investigation, it can hardly say the lie concerned a "material" fact.

 

[Athanasius68]

You're pushing a fairy tale narrative you've been fed.

The plain and simple fact of the matter is that Flynn was engaged in an obvious pattern of deception.... he deceived Pence, he deceived Priebus, he deceived Spicer, and he attempted to foist the same deception on the FBI. Well, got news for you.... there's not a whole lot of future going down that road. Flynn needed to go - he was too much of a loose cannon to have in that sensitive a position.

Whether this is true, and whether he needs to go because of it, is of no concern to the FBI.

 

[Cordelier]

Well, 18 USC 1001 requires that the misleading needs to be of a "material" fact in the investigation. If the government can't explain why Mr. Flynn was under investigation, it can hardly say the lie concerned a "material" fact.

That material fact was that Flynn lied to the Vice President. Would you agree that if that basic fact came to light, it probably wouldn't bode well for Flynn keeping his job?

 

[Athanasius68]

Just because something is leaked doesn't necessarily make it true, though, does it?

They leaked that the government had the tape.
Which means there was no secret. The Russians knew what they said. The Americans knew what was said. And the Russians knew that the Americans knew what was said. And the Americans knew that the Russians knew what was said.
There is no potential for blackmail in any of this.

 

[Athanasius68]

That material fact was that Flynn lied to the Vice President. Would you agree that if that basic fact came to light, it probably wouldn't bode well for Flynn keeping his job?

Its not against the law to lie to the vice-president.
Its not wise and indeed doesn't bode well, but there is no law enforcement character to it.

 

[Cordelier]

Its not against the law to lie to the vice-president.
Its not wise and indeed doesn't bode well, but there is no law enforcement character to it.

It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was a counterintelligence investigation. By lying to the Vice President, Flynn put his job on the line. What's more, the FBI knew Russian intelligence knew these facts as well. That made him vulnerable to exploitation. The FBI knew the national security risk of having someone that vulnerable in such a high-level sensitive position.

 

[jamesbyoung]

That isn't the law.

Yes, lying to the FBI is a crime.

 

[Athanasius68]

It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was a counterintelligence investigation.

yes. at least theroretically, but ok.

By lying to the Vice President, Flynn put his job on the line.

Yes

What's more, the FBI knew Russian intelligence knew these facts as well.

Facts that lying to the VP would probably cost Flynn his job? Or facts as to what was discussed between Flynn and Kismylak?

That made him vulnerable to exploitation.

No it didn't. The FBI knew what was said. What could Russia blackmail Flynn with?

 

[Athanasius68]

Yes, lying to the FBI is a crime.

If the lie concerns a"material" fact to the investigation.

 

[Cordelier]

yes. at least theroretically, but ok.



Yes



Facts that lying to the VP would probably cost Flynn his job? Or facts as to what was discussed between Flynn and Kismylak?



No it didn't. The FBI knew what was said. What could Russia blackmail Flynn with?

What could Russia blackmail Flynn with??!? It was in possession of information that could cost him his job! You don't think Flynn was highly motivated to keep on being National Security Advisor to the President?

 

[Athanasius68]

What could Russia blackmail Flynn with??!? It was in possession of information that could cost him his job! You don't think Flynn was highly motivated to keep on being National Security Advisor to the President?

The USA already knew what was said in the conversation.
They had the tape.
What could Russia threaten Flynn with? To release the tape to the USA? They already had it.

 

[Cordelier]

The USA already knew what was said in the conversation.
They had the tape.
What could Russia threaten Flynn with? To release the tape to the USA? They already had it.

Jesus Athanasius..... you're making my head hurt.

Russia didn't know what the FBI knew. They only knew what they knew. And what they knew was that they had information that Flynn wouldn't have wanted revealed. Information that would have cost him his job. People have betrayed their country for lesser reasons... they've betrayed it for money, they've betrayed it to keep affairs secret, they've betrayed it to keep lesser betrayals secret.... lots of reasons. Certainly for a lot less than keeping a job they've struggled a lifetime to get.

 

[Athanasius68]

Jesus Athanasius..... you're making my head hurt.

Russia didn't know what the FBI knew. They only knew what they knew. And what they knew was that they had information that Flynn wouldn't have wanted revealed. Information that would have cost him his job. People have betrayed their country for lesser reasons... they've betrayed it for money, they've betrayed it to keep affairs secret, they've betrayed it to keep lesser betrayals secret.... lots of reasons. Certainly for a lot less than keeping a job they've struggled a lifetime to get.

Russia knew America had the tape of the conversation because it was in the newspapers. No doubt they would have also assumed any conversation by Kisylak was being monitored by the FBI.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Flynn had a choice. He chose to lie. The traitor lied.

 

[Cordelier]

Russia knew America had the tape of the conversation because it was in the newspapers. No doubt they would have also assumed any conversation by Kisylak was being monitored by the FBI.

I can't speak to that, because the nature of the intelligence is still classified. I will put this out there, though.... in World War II, the Germans knew their communications were being monitored, so they equipped their forces with enigma decoding machines as a countermeasure. They were confident the enigma transmissions would never be decoded. But they were. We have no idea how confident the Russians were with Ambassador Kislyak's communications. I imagine the FBI must have had an inclination, though, because they obviously took the Flynn situation extremely seriously.

 

[Anthony60]

No one can "get" an honest man to lie. But, your thread does get an "A" for presenting a clear example of whiny, sniveling Republican victimhood.

I love how the libs here completely dismiss the topic, dismiss the tactics and outright scheming of the FBI, and just try and turn it into a story about Flynn. The release of these documents are helpful to Flynn’s case, not so much for the Comey led FBI.


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[Tahuyaman]

Flynn was conspiring with Russian intelligence agents, for Trump, and lying to the FBI about it. Of course he needed to go.

There’s an accusation which can’t be supported factually.