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FBI agent: Never was evidence of Russia collusion but Mueller team had 'get Trump' goal

False, the Magintsky sanctions were responded to by the Russian government by ending the adoption program. Lifting the sanctions would restart the adoption program.

The speech where no one thinks he was serious, except liberals without a sense of humor.

It was not a speech, and some folks other than libruls took him seriously:

“Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton's personal and campaign offices "on or around" the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press," Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.”

 
You provide no actual information or links to any original sources of facts.... Your only purpose seems to be to mislead, as you've been misled.

Versus: This just in....

Empty wheel bullshit, Not clicking that horse manure.
 
They did not know anything about the source...They knew a lot about Steele though who had a god reputation with the FBI because there have been a successful cooperation in the past, and the FBI just could NOT ignore the infor that Steele brought especially since it corroborated also similar info from different sources such as the Australians.

The FBI didn't investigate the source-- even though they claimed in court they had.
When they did investigate, they discovered Steele basically had one source who had no personal information about what he was saying to Steele, and was relying upon people who he said himself had no personal information as to what they were talking about.
And it turns out Steeles source had been investigated by the FBI as Russian agent.
Yet the dossier continued to be used in court.
 
What is the definition of "huge network"? And having a smaller network can be also effective if the people are in key positions. In any case, even Steele and the FBI knew that the info in the Steele dossier had to be corroborated by other sources.. And yes, intelligence can follow leads based on what some people heard by other people. You confuse the legal process *where such hearsay cannot be used in courts) with iinvestigative work which can follow any link. And I also reminded people the fact that there were oter pieces of information coming from Australians (based on Papadopulos' conversations with an Austalian diplomat).
There is no motive for the Russians to use Steele to provide info against Trump. So, you theory is just irrational.


PapaD said that Russia had information on Clinton.
Nothing about emails.
Trump was being investigated for conspiring with Russia.

There is a great deal of reason to give Steele fake info-- Russia was seeking to screw with the election.
 
The FBI didn't investigate the source-- even though they claimed in court they had.
When they did investigate, they discovered Steele basically had one source who had no personal information about what he was saying to Steele, and was relying upon people who he said himself had no personal information as to what they were talking about.
And it turns out Steeles source had been investigated by the FBI as Russian agent.
Yet the dossier continued to be used in court.

The FBI and Steele said clearly that the Steele file had not been verified. And again, people must spend time and have AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATON GOING ON before arriving at certain conclusions one way or another. So, the whole argument that the FBI should not have opened an investigation because they did not know the details of a source puts the cart before the horse!
 
The FBI and Steele said clearly that the Steele file had not been verified. And again, people must spend time and have AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATON GOING ON before arriving at certain conclusions one way or another. So, the whole argument that the FBI should not have opened an investigation because they did not know the details of a source puts the cart before the horse!

They actually said it was.
The FISA warrant wasn't to investigate the veracity of the dossier.
It was used as evidence to support the theory that Page should be investigated as operating as a Russian agent.
 
PapaD said that Russia had information on Clinton.
Nothing about emails.
Trump was being investigated for conspiring with Russia.

There is a great deal of reason to give Steele fake info-- Russia was seeking to screw with the election.

Papad said that that Russia had info on Clinton and the whole intelligence community also concluded that Russia was behind the DNC hacking..Also, Papa and Manafort (the latter with a rich history of serving Russian interests in Ukraine's politics) had joined Trump's campaign. Thus, the possibility that Russians were using people who tried to gain access to Trump's campaign was very rational.
 
Papad said that that Russia had info in Clinton a

Ok... And...?

d the whole intelligence community also concluded that Russia was behind the DNC hacking.

Which had nothing to do with any information that Clinton possessed.

Also, , Manafort with a history of serving Russian interests in Ukraine's politics had been Trump's campaign manager.

Ok. And...?


Thus, the possibility that Russians were trying to approach the Trump campaign was very rational.

Of course. Why wouldn't Russia approach Trump? Or Clinton (via Steele)?

But what does Russia approaching the Trump campaign have to do with an investigation into that campaign CONSPIRING with Russia to hack the DNC?[/QUOTE]
 
They actually said it was.
The FISA warrant wasn't to investigate the veracity of the dossier.
It was used as evidence to support the theory that Page should be investigated as operating as a Russian agent.

Page's FISA that was cited as problematic was in 2017. No FISA kicked in the start of the Russian-Trump campaign collusion investigation which opened in June (or jUly) of 2016
 
Page's FISA that was cited as problematic was in 2017. No FISA kicked in the start of the Russian-Trump campaign collusion investigation which opened in June (or jUly) of 2016


Its all the same thing-- the allegation from the dossier was that there was a well developed plan by the Trump campaign to conspire with Russia.
Page supposedly played a part in this conspiracy.
So did Flynn.
 
Ok... And...?



Which had nothing to do with any information that Clinton possessed.



Ok. And...?




Of course. Why wouldn't Russia approach Trump? Or Clinton (via Steele)?

But what does Russia approaching the Trump campaign have to do with an investigation into that campaign CONSPIRING with Russia to hack the DNC?
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Sorry, but one must be deliberately oblivious in order to say that the DNC hacking and the Clinton emails are two separate issues. They are part of the same Russian effort to help Trump. And in fact, nobody could say at the time what exactly was included in the DNC servers.

You make no sense... The Russians had no motive to use Steele to approach Clinton because Clinton was the "hawk" while Trump was openly firendly to Russia and Putin. The investigation of collusion didnot necessary mean that Trump official were consiring with Russians to hack the DNC. A conspiracy could have happened in different ways even AFTER the Russians hacked the DNC server. For example, a coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign usig people like Pap or Manafort could have been established by arranging the time to release the hacking material.
 
Its all the same thing-- the allegation from the dossier was that there was a well developed plan by the Trump campaign to conspire with Russia.
Page supposedly played a part in this conspiracy.
So did Flynn.

No, it is NOT the same thing according to the Inspector General!

And the FBI did not get the first FISA by claiming that allegation from Steele's dossier had been verified. And even if someone argues that some subsequent FISAs were not justified, this STILL does not mean that there was no reason for having a counter-intelligence investigation related to Page. In such case, one can only argue that there was no ground to have a counter-intelligence investigation that violated Page's certain constitutional rights, but an investigation without FISA would still be appropriate. That i why you saw the Inspector General's report BOTH criticizing he FBI for the way it got CERTAIN (not all) FISAs but at the same time justified the opening of an investigation about a possible link between members of the Trump campaign and the Russian govenrment.
 
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No, it is NOT the same thing according to the Inspector General!

And the FBI did not get the first FISA by claiming that allegation from Steele's dossier had been verified. And even if someone argues that some subsequent FISAs were not justified, this STILL does not mean that there was no reason for having a counter-intelligence investigation related to Page. In such case, one can only argue that there was no ground to have a counter-intelligence investigation that violated Page's certain constitutional rights, but an investigation without FISA would still be appropriate. That i why you saw the Inspector General's report BOTH criticizing he FBI for the way it got CERTAIN (not all) FISAs but at the same time justified the opening of an investigation about a possible link between members of the Trump campaign and the Russian govenrment.

Thats not quite what the IG said.
The dossier was the main use of obtaining the warrant. The warrant alleged Mr. Page was part of Trump conspiracy to hack the DNC. Ya kind need evidence to make this claim.
 
Thats not quite what the IG said.
The dossier was the main use of obtaining the warrant. The warrant alleged Mr. Page was part of Trump conspiracy to hack the DNC. Ya kind need evidence to make this claim.

Not for the first FISA..

and again, the opening of the investigation of possible links between the Russia government and members of the Trump administration was totaly justified with or wthout FISAs.
 
Sorry, but one must be deliberately oblivious in order to say that the DNC hacking and the Clinton emails are two separate issues. They are part of the same Russian effort to help Trump. And in fact, nobody could say at the time what exactly was included in the DNC servers.

You make no sense... The Russians had no motive to use Steele to approach Clinton because Clinton was the "hawk" while Trump was openly firendly to Russia and Putin. The investigation of collusion didnot necessary mean that Trump official were consiring with Russians to hack the DNC. A conspiracy could have happened in different ways even AFTER the Russians hacked the DNC server. For example, a coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign usig people like Pap or Manafort could have been established by arranging the time to release the hacking material.

Lots of things "could have happened." Trump could have had a better debate performance last night. He didn't. Oh well.
But if we are going to allege that the presidential nominee for the incumbent's political opposition was conspiring with a foreign country, ya kind need evidence. Heck, ya need that alleging any wrongdoing by any person.
 
Not for the first FISA..

and again, the opening of the investigation of possible links between the Russia government and members of the Trump administration was totaly justified with or wthout FISAs.

They knew by July 2016 it was hogwash-- PapaD said flat out no conspiracy and he never mentioned emails.
There was nothing else.
 
Lots of things "could have happened." Trump could have had a better debate performance last night. He didn't. Oh well.
But if we are going to allege that the presidential nominee for the incumbent's political opposition was conspiring with a foreign country, ya kind need evidence. Heck, ya need that alleging any wrongdoing by any person.

A counter-intelligence is often acting proactively based on 'better safe than sorry."
Nobody in the intelligence community "hopes" that the Russians will do the right thing. So, yes, the possible recruiting of people like Manafort who served for years Russian interests in the Ukraine could not be ignored! And again, in the beginning, Trump was NOT the target of the investigation.

And you managed again to **** up the quoting function!

Are you THAT incapable of using the interface?
 
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"FBI agent: Never was evidence of Russia collusion but Mueller team had 'get Trump' goal"

Too bad they didn't.
 
A counter-intellignce is often acting proactively based on 'better safe than sorry."

Ok-- so where was the investigation into Mrs. Clinton over her campaigns dealing with a suspected Russian agent?
How about into those allegations from yesterday?
What happens to "better safe than sorry"?

So, yes, the possible recruiting of people like Manafort who served for years Russian interests in the Ukraine could not be ignored!

Manafort was fired. Problem solved.
 
They knew by July 2016 it was hogwash-- PapaD said flat out no conspiracy and he never mentioned emails.
There was nothing else.

By July 2016, the FBI could not know for sure anything without opening first an investigation. . Only Trump minions were rushing to conclusions. What the FBI knew is that many people around Trump had links to Russia and some of them like Roger Stone even predicted the release of the DNC emails.
 
By July 2016, the FBI could not know for sure anything without opening first an investigation. . Only Trump minions were rushing to conclusions. What the FBI knew is that many people around Trump had links to Russia and some of them like Roger Stone even predicted the release of the DNC emails.

They did know for sure what PapaD had said.
Nobody else was saying anything.
 
Ok-- so where was the investigation into Mrs. Clinton over her campaigns dealing with a suspected Russian agent?
How about into those allegations from yesterday?
What happens to "better safe than sorry"?



Manafort was fired. Problem solved.

Sorry, but you are ranting.

Clinton did not misrepresent any conversation she had with any Russian official to Biden. And Clinton had to provide informaton about the fiancial activities of her husband (Clinton Foundation) as a requirement for getting the position of the Secretary of State. So, yes, better safe than sorry applied to Hillary too...



The FBI in 2016 could not know without starting an investigation to what extend the Russian had managed to infiltrate the Trump Campaign. Also, Papadopoulos remained with the Trump Campaign...
 
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The FBI in 2016 could not know without starting an investigation to what extend the Russian had managed to infiltrate the Trump Campaign. Also, Papadopoulos remained with the Trump Campaign...


The pattern of the extreme right is to react to "no charges" against Hillary or resulting from 36 Benghazi "hearings", or against Obama - Biden Admin., save for Greg Craig's "not guilty" jury verdict, nor any charges or NY State action against the Clinton Foundation, as if absence of any charges or NY or any other state civil action such as the forced closing of the Trump Foundation, is predictably, that the absence of any charges is somehow compelling proof of the severity of the crimes these demonized "lefties" have so far escaped all acountability for committing.

Because, of course "the left" are criminals, or Mr. Trump and the author of "Clinton Cash", would not be accusing all of them, in the first place.
If you just chant, "lock her up!", often enough, it is Hillary who must end up "in the dock", and certainly not the disgraceful chanter, Mike Flynn.

Truly, Trump has managed to herd his followers into a "facts free" alternate dimension. I may have missed it, but did the entire debate pass by the other night without Trump making a single mention of Obamagate nonsense or Barr-Durham "investigation", now in its 17 month with no one charged.... the patsy who is accused of altering the meaning of an email is accused of an alleged offense arising from the IG Horowitz investigation, not an outcome of Durham's "efforts".

The Flynn "dismissal" hearing the other day was another disgrace on the voluminous Trump-Barr record, as well.

"...On Twitter, Mr. Strzok accused Mr. Kohl of “materially misrepresenting” his actions.
Separately, in a letter docketed on Monday night, a lawyer for Mr. Strzok told Judge Sullivan that someone had altered handwritten notes by his client in one of the recent batches of internal materials turned over to Ms. Powell — adding two dates to them that he did not write, including one that suggested a White House meeting happened earlier than it did.

Judge Sullivan ordered the Justice Department to provide a sworn declaration certifying whether the materials submitted to him “were true and accurate,” saying he was “floored” by the “unsettling” claim that they had been modified.

Ms. Powell sparred with Judge Sullivan, initially resisting his demand that she tell him whether she had spoken with Mr. Trump about the case on the grounds that it was subject to executive privilege.

After he pointed out that she did not work for the government, and so the privilege did not apply to her,
she said she had recently briefed Mr. Trump about developments in the case and asked him not to pardon her client. Pressed further, she cited The New York Times as reporting that she had spoken to Mr. Trump at least five times.

As she has many times before, Ms. Powell also portrayed the case against her client as a corrupt and politically motivated conspiracy and demanded that Judge Sullivan recuse himself. He told her to file a written motion for recusal if she wanted...."
 
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Sorry, but you are ranting.

Clinton did not misrepresent any conversation she had with any Russian official to Biden. And Clinton had to provide informaton about the fiancial activities of her husband (Clinton Foundation) as a requirement for getting the position of the Secretary of State. So, yes, better safe than sorry applied to Hillary too...



The FBI in 2016 could not know without starting an investigation to what extend the Russian had managed to infiltrate the Trump Campaign. Also, Papadopoulos remained with the Trump Campaign...

Well, we now know that the FBI had received intelligence from Russian sources claiming hat Clinton was behind the whole conspiracy narrative.
Was that investigated as being a result Russian campaign penetration into the Clinton campaign? Never heard about it.

Again, Crossfire Hurricane was not about investigating Russian efforts to infiltrate th Trump campaign. It was about investigating the Trump campaign for conspiring with Russian efforts to screw with the election.
 
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