I am glad that you consider the lesson in this case ridiculous...However, the anecdotal may not be conclusive, I don't think it is arguable that our education system at the university level is dominated by leftist on the political spectrum, and if no studies exist researching the effects of political ideology forced upon the curriculum then maybe there needs to be...I won't hold my breath though, it would be like asking someone to admit what they are doing is underhanded, and wrong.
I'd say the trouble is that the student can and has. In the vast majority of cases, it'd be much better if this kind of thing was kept out of the public domain until after any disciplinary/legal processes have completed. Sadly much of the media (and a lot of it's customers) is much more interested in the juicy story in the speculation today rather that the boring reality in the facts in six months time.The trouble is that the school can't say anything about what happened because it's confidential according to the law.
Don't you just love how the CBS station here takes the side of the University in the headline?
More.....
You have got to be kidding here....What the heck is going on in these classrooms of supposed "higher education"?
How typical. Marxist educrats playing semantic games with the story to deflect, and distort their reprehensible actions thus far....
wow, what a little Nazi authoritarian this educrat view themselves as....Let's see, Marxist teacher wants to make a point about their own beliefs in atheism, So he/she devises a participatory exercise in making people do something that some may find wrong, even shocking, and when confronted by a student that refuses to participate in that exercise, Marxist teacher goes after the dissenter in true Alinsky fashion....
I don't know why anyone pays for this **** anymore....
Thoughts....
Are we sure it is "one idiot"? or is it a culture in education that views institutions of higher learning as a way to politically mold the individual above actually providing fields of learning? Also, I think the term "anti education" is toxic to actual conversation in this. That is a horrible label that uses a broad brush to paint those seeking to take the teachers personal politics out of the classroom, as someone who is against education. That is wrong.
Yes, it is one idiot. There are no doubt other idiots in the college classrooms, but this story is about one of them. Further, yes, generalizing from one outrageous incident to claim that colleges are just hotbeds of some misguided liberal philosophy with an agenda of indoctrinating students is anti education.
Well, then we are back to my original question aren't we? How many of these types of incidents do we need to read about before we start to look at the reason we are seeing these stories happen with more frequency as time goes on? To just dismiss it out of hand and attempt to make it about me, rather than the larger question is just not addressing the topic, sorry.
That isn't the effective way to demonstrate the power of words and symbols.Having read about this elsewhere, I can point out that the lesson (as written in the text book at least) has nothing to do with atheism. The demonstration is about the power of words and symbols.
There are clearly not enough details public to make a definitive statement (nor should there be). In general, a student should be free to refuse to actually carry out the demonstration and shouldn't suffer in any way for that. Equally though, that refusal should be made calmly and reasonably. Given the reported code of conduct charges, there is an accusation that he crossed that line at some point in the sequence of events (meaning he hasn't been disciplined yet and may well not be at all). Exactly when, how, why and indeed if that happened isn't at all clear.
Jumping to conclusions, throwing out terms like Marxist and Nazi is totally inappropriate given the lack of information. Ironically, it's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that can lead to cases like this in the first place.
Incidentally, the CBS headline you quote reads like a straight statement of facts. Maybe you perceive bias in it because neutral headlines are such a rarity in the media.
If this were a common occurrence, then it wouldn't have been news.
A million students attended class, learned about everything from abstract art to zoology, didn't talk politics or religion, that isn't news.
One professor booted a kid out because he wouldn't step on Jesus, that's news. Why? Because it is not the norm, that's why.
Or because the University, and the liberal progressives running it were going to go after the kid until more came out in the news....hmmmm....But yeah, I see what you are saying here, "Nothing to see here, move along".....No.
If this lesson was truly about the power of a word then why wasn't the
word " Allah" or " Muhammed " ?
I wouldn't have done it either.
One incident does not show that "liberal progressives" are running even that one university, let alone all of them.
Yeah - there aren't enough facts to form an opinion. Just what did he do and how did he complain?
I'm sure he's not the only student to ever not participate in the history of doing this so there's obviously something more to it.
I agree. A few days ago when I first read about this, the article linked to Rateaprof.com. Professor Poole's most recent reviews were from a few years ago with one addition, that new review being posted on 3-23. Interesting.
From the last paragraph of the article linked on p. 1: "So far, 2013 has been a controversial year for the university. In January, associate professor James Tracy questioned on his personal blog whether the Sandy Hook massacre happened. Then in February, FAU became the subject of protests when it named its stadium after the GEO Group, a prison company that donated $6 million to the university."
FAU is not having a good year so far.
I wonder why the student was enrolled in this particular class and whether he violated FAU's civility code, whatever that is. I wonder why Poole chose Jesus as the "symbol." He's not dumb; he knew how outrageous this was. Remember Adrienne Pine, the breastfeeding-during-lecture prof? She knew what she was doing too.
Because they put that it was a "claim"? That's extremely common. And btw, it's the mot honest heading that you could put until more evidence comes out showing that his claims are true. It's not saying it did or didn't happen, it's just reporting on the claim. That's completely unbiased reporting.
You're making an assumption that because this was done by one teacher it's a common thing. This is the first time I've ever heard of this. If you had millions of college kids every year having to do this, you'd be hearing about it before now.
I think it's a stupid procedure if this actually happened, and if she was trying to make a point she could have very easily made the point with something else besides someone's religion included, but you are over reacting and jumping to conclusions without all the facts. Not to mention you are acting like this is a common occurrence. It's not.
I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.
It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?
Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
I agree. A few days ago when I first read about this, the article linked to Rateaprof.com. Professor Poole's most recent reviews were from a few years ago with one addition, that new review being posted on 3-23. Interesting.
From the last paragraph of the article linked on p. 1: "So far, 2013 has been a controversial year for the university. In January, associate professor James Tracy questioned on his personal blog whether the Sandy Hook massacre happened. Then in February, FAU became the subject of protests when it named its stadium after the GEO Group, a prison company that donated $6 million to the university."
FAU is not having a good year so far.
I wonder why the student was enrolled in this particular class and whether he violated FAU's civility code, whatever that is. I wonder why Poole chose Jesus as the "symbol." He's not dumb; he knew how outrageous this was. Remember Adrienne Pine, the breastfeeding-during-lecture prof? She knew what she was doing too.
I've participated in some interested 'studies' in my anthropology class that were aimed at trying to get the student to see the world from other people's perspective. Usually - when strange activities are gone into they're done so to 1) get people to experience their emotions/thoughts . . . 2) later discuss what they were feeling/thinking.
The weirdest thing I ever did was hold hands all class with another male student. We were 'maintaining contact as would be done as part of a ceremony in ___' - something like that. But in the US hand-holding has a different meaning so to say I was uncomfortable was an understatement.
Then - we talked about it and why it bothered him very little and me so much.
I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.
It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?
Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
Hold up... Your professor made you hold hands and lock eyes with another individual of the same sex?
I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.
It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?
Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
Opposite sex.
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