Father asks school to bar unvaccinated children.

[Gimmesometruth]

:shrug: I don't get my kids the full giant battery of vaccines they shove at you nowadays. You are welcome to try to take my children. Note that I am betting my .556 rounds run faster than you do.


What an awesome stance for a libertarian to take.

Defending your "right"....to be irresponsible.

Classic.

By the by....how do you afford to spend so much time on the forum with a wife and children to support while making less than $40K?

 

[Nilly]

let me make sure i understand the situation

the father wants unvaccinated students to no longer attend his son's school, because his son is unvaccinated

why should this one student's unvaccinated circumstance trump the situation of the other unvaccinated students

Because the child in questions inability to get vaccinated is due to medical reasons, rather than due to ignorance.

The idea that a school can force a kid to do something with its own body is appalling.

The school wouldn't be forcing any kids to do anything with their bodies. It would just make vaccinations a requirement for attendance at that school. There is a distinct difference. All 50 states already have some form of vaccination laws for children.

 

[Sherman123]

:shrug: I don't get my kids the full giant battery of vaccines they shove at you nowadays. You are welcome to try to take my children. Note that I am betting my .556 rounds run faster than you do.


What an awesome stance for a libertarian to take.

I think the state should force your kids to be vaccinated. 'They' are 'shoving' those vaccinations at your kids because it is for their (and societies) health.

 

[brothern]

As a gay man, weren't you pretty much appalled when some ignorantly suggested the same kind of thing for those afflicted with HIV and AIDS not so long ago?

HIV/AIDs is not spread via the air, nor is there a vaccine specifically made to prevent it.

You know what the biggest irony is going to be? When/if there ever is a universal vaccine invented for HIV, but like Gardasil, is opposed by Christians and conservatives.

 

[Superfly]

I'm a little confused. My children have never attended a school where they weren't required to be vaccinated. We would have to bring documentation from the health department to show that they'd had all their vaccinations.

I don't understand people who don't vaccinate their children anyway.

 

[Gringo allstar]

This kid's dad is a grade A asshole. Keep the kid out of public school until he's ready and healthy enough to comeback, and leave everyone else alone.

 

[Sherman123]

It's interesting - when I went to school in the 1970's there were was 1 inoculation and then 2 boosters at various times - but the inoculations were much lower in volume:

1970's

Polio vaccination
Combined vaccination for Tetanus, Diphtheria, and Pertussis (DTP vaccine)
Combined vaccination for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR vaccine)
Smallpox


Today

Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (combined DTaP vaccine)
Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b)
Pneumococcal
Polio (inactivated vaccine)
Influenza (yearly)
Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (combined MMR vaccine)
Varicella (chickenpox)
Hepatitis A
Meningococcal (certain high-risk groups only)


Granted - technology marches on, lessons learned and all that - but I gotta tell ya, that's a lot of **** right there to get inoculated for as a K-12 kid. I don't have kids so I have no horse in this race but that may make me a little more non-biased than most and I can see why people may be a little hesitant. That said, when I went into the Army I got a shot that pretty much killed any chance of me catching anything for like 8 years. I didn't even get a cold or atheletes foot, according to what I found this is what I was given:

Army

Adenovirus, Types 4 and 7
Influenza
Measles
Menigococcal
Mumps
Polio
Rubella
Tetanus-diptheria
Yellow Fever

Now that Army inoculation looks more like what kids are getting today. But really, I have no idea what they shot me with and when I went overseas I got boosters and other shots as well. :shrug:

Isn't it great?! Science marches on.

 

[cpwill]

Defending your "right"....to be irresponsible.

On the contrary - by actually looking into what the immunizations are and researching what they are for, we are being more responsible than parents who simply sign over their kids to the pharmaceutical industry, assuming they know best.

By the by....how do you afford to spend so much time on the forum with a wife and children to support while making less than $40K?

My job is mostly just reading, including reading the news, so it's actually not difficult to do both. Although I make more now than I did when I was active duty.

 

[Sherman123]

This kid's dad is a grade A asshole. Keep the kid out of public school until he's ready and healthy enough to comeback, and leave everyone else alone.

He's putting some much needed pressure on incompetent parents who refuse vaccinations. Good for him.

 

[cpwill]

I think the state should force your kids to be vaccinated. 'They' are 'shoving' those vaccinations at your kids because it is for their (and societies) health.

I think the state should force your kids to attend religious schooling. That would be good for their (and society's) health. Also, unmarried people should be forced to wear chastity belts in order to reduce the spread of STDs. It's for their (and society's) health).


My 18 month old daughter is at no risk of catching STDs.

 

[Gringo allstar]

HIV/AIDs is not spread via the air, nor is there a vaccine specifically made to prevent it.

You know what the biggest irony is going to be? When/if there ever is a universal vaccine invented for HIV, but like Gardasil, is opposed by Christians and conservatives.

:roll:

 

[justabubba]

i agree with the request. if you want to be an anti-vaxer, fine. however, you don't get to send your kids unvaccinated into incubation chambers like schools.

then why should the father of the child in question expect his child to attend that school unvaccinated

 

[Declan]

i agree with the request. if you want to be an anti-vaxer, fine. however, you don't get to send your kids unvaccinated into incubation chambers like schools.

What makes your request/demand more important than the wants of other parents not to vaccinate their kids? I mean I have been vaccinated against everything up to, and including, gay vampires, but I don't really take issue with parents who do not want to do it for a multitude of reasons. If you want to roll the dice with your child's health, better hope you don't get snakeeyes.

 

[Sherman123]

I think the state should force your kids to attend religious schooling. That would be good for their (and societies') health.

Not vaccinating your children is empirically and verifiably contributing to a health risk for themselves and for everyone else. The comparison doesn't fly.

 

[Superfly]

This kid's dad is a grade A asshole. Keep the kid out of public school until he's ready and healthy enough to comeback, and leave everyone else alone.

I disagree. I think the parents of the other kids are assholes, because they refuse to get their children vaccinated. If you don't want to get your children vaccinated, keep them at home, so they don't make the other kids, the ones with responsible parents, parents who don't get medical advice from bubble-heads like Jenny McCarthy, sick.

Just a thought.

 

[Henrin]

He's putting some much needed pressure on incompetent parents who refuse vaccinations. Good for him.

And yet none on his own incompetence.

 

[Sherman123]

I'm also so tired of hearing "We did the research and..." as though you discovered some piece of evidence that would validate the view that a certain vaccine is unsafe or unhelpful.

 

[brothern]

HIV/AIDs is not spread via the air, nor is there a vaccine specifically made to prevent it.

You know what the biggest irony is going to be? When/if there ever is a universal vaccine invented for HIV, but like Gardasil, is opposed by Christians and conservatives.

:roll:

Case and point:

We basically went through and looked at transmission. Why they wanted to inoculate my infant daughter against STD's I don't know.

So guess why STDs are now trending more southern and more rural?

 

[Superfly]

then why should the father of the child in question expect his child to attend that school unvaccinated

As has already been mentioned, the child in question cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons - not because the parents are idiots. Big difference.

Rhett cannot be vaccinated, because his immune system is still rebuilding. It may be months more before his body is healthy enough to get all his immunizations.

 

[Ockham]

Isn't it great?! Science marches on.

Until 30 years later you find out the long term effects of some of those things may cause alzheimers, cancer, etc. An example is the HPV vaccination, or for example SV40 in the Polio vaccines in the 1950's through the 1960's. Best intentions and all sure..... but sometimes we don't find out things are killing us until decades later.

 

[Sherman123]

Case and point:



So guess why STDs are now trending more southern and more rural?

His daughter is a good Christian snow-flower who will never have sex.

 

[Superfly]

I'm also so tired of hearing "We did the research and..." as though you discovered some piece of evidence that would validate the view that a certain vaccine is unsafe or unhelpful.

Well, honestly, scientists did the research and ultimately Andrew Wakefield was shamed, yet because he said once upon a time, that vaccines were dangerous, that's all people remember.

 

[Helix]

What makes your request/demand more important than the wants of other parents not to vaccinate their kids? I mean I have been vaccinated against everything up to, and including, gay vampires, but I don't really take issue with parents who do not want to do it for a multitude of reasons. If you want to roll the dice with your child's health, better hope you don't get snakeeyes.

if you want to jeopardize your kid's health by succumbing to anti-vax woo, that's fine. you just don't get to send them to a viral incubator like a school. for years, anti-vaxers have gotten by on herd immunity on the backs of responsible people who made the right decision. now diseases like measles, which were nearly eradicated, are making a comeback.

Andrew Wakefield is a ****ing idiot. the damage he caused with his fraud should have landed him in jail.

 

[Sherman123]

Until 30 years later you find out the long term effects of some of those things may cause alzheimers, cancer, etc. An example is the HPV vaccination, or for example SV40 in the Polio vaccines in the 1950's through the 1960's. Best intentions and all sure..... but sometimes we don't find out things are killing us until decades later.

What health effects? The HPV vaccine is brilliant. Also 'Health Impact News' is a notorious conspiracy ridden faux 'news' site. You should have gotten a hint from the headline "Health News that Other Media Outlets May Censor!" lol. The article is nonsense.

 

[Superfly]

if you want to jeopardize your kid's health by succumbing to anti-vax woo, that's fine. you just don't get to send them to a viral incubator like a school. for years, anti-vaxers have gotten by on herd immunity on the backs of responsible people who made the right decision. now diseases like measles, which were nearly eradicated, are making a comeback.

Andrew Wakefield is a ****ing idiot. the damage he caused with his fraud should have landed him in jail.

I agree, on both counts.