Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

Gie · Mar 26, 2012

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buck said:
You claimed I was upset. That was not the least bit accurate. Clean and simple.

Oh good lord, you claimed I was wrong about the one punch. That was not the least bit accurate. You claimed I was making up stuff, that was not the least bit accurate. You claimed Martin could not possibly take down Zimmerman, much less with one punch. That was not the least bit accurate. Clean and simple, you sure were posting like an upset lil customer. Telling me I had comprehension issues (one the laziest and most commonly flung snides found on the internet among the not too creative) and watched too much TV. You were not upset? OK, you were just acting stupid as s#%t.

Now that we have established that I was pretty much right on the money with my assessment, despite your non upset claims to the contrary, you want to focus on you were not upset? Man you are really keeping is stupid aren't you?

Ockham · Mar 26, 2012

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Simon W. Moon said:
It's acceptable if the money goes to charity imho.

All the money... goes to charity. And I'm just too much of a cynic and have seen a little too much of human nature to think the all the money is going to charity....

OhIsee.Then · Mar 26, 2012

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joko104 said:
The article you link to deliberately, knowing begins with the most grotesque of deliberate lies. It begins by claiming Martin was begging for his life, then also asserting this because he was a black male - putting in the worn out picture of Martin from years early to portray him as a child.

IN FACT, BOTH eye witnesses stated it was Zimmerman begging for his life. Even Martin's own father said it was Zimmerman, not Martin, pleading for someone to help him.

But the editorialist wants a race war so the MSNCB African-American commentator lies, deliberately, knowingly completely...

Thus the link is worthless. Since he starts with the most grotesque possible lie swinging into he's-black-and-oppressed because all African-Americans are, and with the lie of claiming it was Martin begging for his life, continues. Since it begins as a lie piece, I assume it all a lie and exactly opposite the truth.

There is no evidence that Martin was just walking down the street and the telephone call with his girlfriend for how long it was proves he was NOT walking home. But it doesn't matter. What matters is the according to both eye witnesses - one known to be African-American - Martin was NOT walking down the street. He was felony aggravated assaulting Zimmerman and attempting to murder Zimmerman by repeatedly smashing his head into the concrete sidewalk - BY THE ROAD where Zimmerman said he was.

Oh, and when Martin was smashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete sidewalk Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot Martin in the chest. I'll have to try that if I'm ever stupid enough to have my head repeatedly smashed into concrete.

Tettsuo · Mar 26, 2012

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So inbetween Martin punching and slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground, Zimmerman got a shot off. At such a close range. Squarely in the chest.

Sorry, that smells like BS.

Sheik Yerbuti · Mar 26, 2012

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muciti said:
When Martin asked Z if he had a problem and Z said no that may have been a clue.

Zimmerman was following him for no apparent reason in the dark and in the rain ... why would a reasonable person take Zimmerman at his word as he's reaching for something (possibly a gun)?

Simon W. Moon · Mar 26, 2012

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There's one witness that said he saw just one man laying there making noise.
I forget which witness it was though.

Ockham · Mar 26, 2012

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Tettsuo said:
So inbetween Martin punching and slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground, Zimmerman got a shot off. At such a close range. Squarely in the chest.

Sorry, that smells like BS.

Closer you are, the easier the shot. If Zimmerman's on the ground he can hardly miss shooting up at close range.

OhIsee.Then · Mar 26, 2012

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Tettsuo said:
So inbetween Martin punching and slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground, Zimmerman got a shot off. At such a close range. Squarely in the chest.

Sorry, that smells like BS.

No. Between one slam of his head and the next slam of his head. Or maybe it took 3 or 4 slams before Zimmerman could get it done. That is what I'm told.

buck · Mar 26, 2012

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Gie said:
Oh good lord, you claimed I was wrong about the one punch. That was not the least bit accurate. You claimed I was making up stuff,

Yes, you did make it up. Just because you were half correct doesn't change that fact.

OhIsee.Then · Mar 26, 2012

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You know what is neat about this is that the police labs will be able to test Martin's shirt to see how far the shot was fired from. Am I sure they ran that test? No. How about the same tests on Zimmerman's clothes. To late now. This is an example of how the SYGL works.

Tettsuo · Mar 26, 2012

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OhIsee.Then said:
You know what is neat about this is that the police labs will be able to test Martin's shirt to see how far the shot was fired from. Am I sure they ran that test? No. How about the same tests on Zimmerman's clothes. To late now. This is an example of how the SYGL works.

Exactly!....

Kreton · Mar 26, 2012

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OhIsee.Then said:
You know what is neat about this is that the police labs will be able to test Martin's shirt to see how far the shot was fired from. Am I sure they ran that test? No. How about the same tests on Zimmerman's clothes. To late now. This is an example of how the SYGL works.

Police have stated that Martin was shot at close range.

ric27 · Mar 26, 2012

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Simon W. Moon said:
It's acceptable if the money goes to charity imho.

Kinda naive on your part. Theres metric **** tons of money to be made off the shooting.

Get real

OhIsee.Then · Mar 26, 2012

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muciti said:
Police have stated that Martin was shot at close range.

Yes, I think so too. But was that 8 feet or 1 foot. The amount and diameter of powder residue is a characteristic of the particular gun and ammunition. Having the gun and amo they will be able to resolve it more finely than 'close'.

Simon W. Moon · Mar 26, 2012

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ric27 said:
Kinda naive on your part. Theres metric **** tons of money to be made off the shooting.
Get real

lrn2rd

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Tettsuo · Mar 26, 2012

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muciti said:
Police have stated that Martin was shot at close range.

I'm doubting a lot of this story. I'll wait for the forensics.

To go from banging his head on the ground to laying face down would require Zimmerman to move him from off of himself in an odd way. Did Martin end up laying on top of Zimmerman? Was Martin's blood on Zimmerman's shirt? Powder stains from the shot on both men?

Hmmm... it all seems a bit odd to me.

ric27 · Mar 26, 2012

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Tettsuo said:
So inbetween Martin punching and slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground, Zimmerman got a shot off. At such a close range. Squarely in the chest.

Sorry, that smells like BS.

The one shot eliminates, the retarded "he didn't shoot him once, or twice or three times, but five times!" routine.

The one shot favors Zim immensely in, a fear for his life scenario aka deadly force

Justified self defense

buck · Mar 26, 2012

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OhIsee.Then said:
You know what is neat about this is that the police labs will be able to test Martin's shirt to see how far the shot was fired from. Am I sure they ran that test? No. How about the same tests on Zimmerman's clothes. To late now. This is an example of how the SYGL works.

I don't care what some say, the CSI effect is real.

Anyway, they almost certainly did an autopsy and will obtain a lot of forensic evidence form there, including powder burns.

Excon · Mar 26, 2012

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Simon W. Moon said:
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.
Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.
Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.
Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman's account to police of the Trayvon Martin shooting. - Orlando Sentinel

Way to keep abreast of the current info available.
:thumbsup:

StillBallin75 · Mar 26, 2012

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Simon W. Moon said:
The contention is that the PD didn't look hard enough for evidence that might "negate Zimmermans story." I think that's the source of the community's displeasure. Who is watching the watchmen?

There's really not that much evidence to comb through when the other party is dead and can't give his side of the story, that's the rub.

American · Mar 26, 2012

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Zimmerman was following him for no apparent reason in the dark and in the rain ... why would a reasonable person take Zimmerman at his word as he's reaching for something (possibly a gun)?

Possibly because there is a witness to the scene?

American · Mar 26, 2012

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StillBallin75 said:
There's really not that much evidence to comb through when the other party is dead and can't give his side of the story, that's the rub.

Happens all the time when there's a killing, and it appears justice is done anyway.

Excon · Mar 26, 2012

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Gie said:
Again, you don't know what "evidence" there is in the case, only what has been reported as facts and a lot of that is contradictory. The grand jury will have all the "evidence" in the matter and they won't be sharing it with the press. One thing nobody has to allege though is that Zimmerman was following Martin. Not only was he following Martin, but the police dispatch told him they did not need him doing that. So the one thing everyone should be able to agree on is that Zimmerman was following Martin.

What is your point?

Zimmerman, acting in the capacity of NW, was trying to keep someone under observation until police arrived.

That is not wrong behavior.

It is not behavior that negates his self defense claim.

So what is your point?

Thunder said:
based on Zimmerman's clear state of mind on the 911 tapes, and his refusal to follow the instructions of the 911 operator, I have no doubt that he is full of ****.

Zimmerman's clear state of mind left rapidly when he was attacked.

A "suggestion" is not an instruction.
Saying; "Just let me know if this guy does anything else.'", is an instruction.

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Because during their brief verbal exchange, Zimmer reached for his phone. It's plausible that Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun.

Sure?
It is plausible.

And it doesn't matter if he did.
Trayvon's thoughts are not dispositive of whether or not Zimmerman's actions were criminal.
Zimmerman's thought are.

OhIsee.Then · Mar 26, 2012

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buck said:
I don't care what some say, the CSI effect is real.
...

I'm sorry. I taken qualitative analysis, quantitative analysis, etc., as a chem major. Switched to engineering electronic and mechanical and spent years making measurements of many types and worked with many that did other types. So, I guess CSI has caught up to me.

Simon W. Moon · Mar 26, 2012

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StillBallin75 said:
There's really not that much evidence to comb through when the other party is dead and can't give his side of the story, that's the rub.

If that's true and if the PD didn't do due diligence, it's just all the worse.

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