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Ding, ding! We have a winner from the Right on this one. Finally.
I think at this point, I'd have to say that just by listening we don't know who was screaming for certainty, Zim says it was him, while handcuffed in the back of the squad car, and Treyvon's mother says that that was Trey's screams. Injuries to the back of the head, and nose on Zim are inconclusive alone as to who attacked whom, as are the grass stains. Treyvon was reported by Sanford police as also a resident of the neighborhood, so obviously there is nothing suspicious about him being on the sidewalk at 7:30pm at night for God's sake. Zim seems to have a history of 911 abuse IMHO, reporting everything from an open garage door, which is ok, to a pothole in the road, which isn't. Treyvon being a handful in school, and currently being suspended are not the issue here, and have no bearing, all I would say on that is that he's 17 years old...Anyone with children all either know, or have a child which rebel's a little at that age, doesn't warrant a death sentence.
Over all, I think I'd still have to say that this is a tragic case of Zimmerman taking a course that was fueled by adrenaline, over confidence due to carrying a gun, maybe misinterpretation of what his duties of NW were, and what the meaning of meet force with EQUAL force means.
Zimmerman pursued this young man, hunted him down, got into a fight, and was losing that fight and used his gun to gain advantage killing Treyvon. That is what we know. And based on that, Zimmerman is in the wrong here. Now it isn't in my mind murder, but it is negligent homicide.
j-mac
It was dark and raining when Zimmerman first spotted the black teenager, wearing a hooded sweatshirt, and called a non-emergency dispatcher.
Just two points of clarity:
1)Martin's father indicated that it was not his son calling for help. At least prior to the case blowing up, he may have since changed his mind, but his initial statements are more likely to be the truth.
2) he wasn't actually calling 911. He was calling the non-emergency line to report most if not all of the situations. We have it in Chicago, and it is specifically used for things like reporting pot-holes, etc. Apparently it's across the counrty now.
311 Non-Emergency Number
George Zimmerman: 7 Things To Know About Trayvon Martin Florida Shooting
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this happen about a month ago? The first I heard Sharpton speaking about it was last week...seems late in the game to me but I could be wrong.
I thought Sharpton talked about this on his TV show right after it happened.I will look for info on this.
IIRC, the father said that it didn't sound like Trayvon until the audio was cleaned up.Just two points of clarity:
1)Martin's father indicated that it was not his son calling for help. At least prior to the case blowing up, he may have since changed his mind, but his initial statements are more likely to be the truth.
George Zimmerman: 7 Things To Know About Trayvon Martin Florida Shooting
IIRC, the father said that it didn't sound like Trayvon until the audio was cleaned up.
Mis-characterization, hyperbole and outright falsities.
The evidence confirms it was Zimmerman screaming.
What?
The "evidence" what evidence? that Zimmermans family said , "no no that was him screaming"?
Ok, really we don't know for sure, and I didn't see the distinction listed in the official records.
IIRC, the father said that it didn't sound like Trayvon until the audio was cleaned up.
Trayvon Martin 911 tapes: Who screamed for help before shot rang out? - Yahoo! News
Police also said that Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, told them the voice pleading for help was not Trayvon. The family claims the police are lying, and pointed out that once the audio quality was cleaned up the father said that the voice did indeed belong to his son.
The father's initial statment matches Zimmerman's initial statement and that of an eye-witness that was there. I just can't think of any reason the father would have to change the story afterwards...
I can't think of a reason a police detective would have corrected an eye witness's account that it was Martin yelling for help. Yet the eye witness claims he did...
I don't know. I suspect that will come out in the investigation. But, from what I gather, that eye witness didn't really see it from as near or as clearly as the eyewitness that was actually near the scene. Certainly not as close as Zimmerman was.
Zimmerman claiming that he was calling for help from the very beginning of answering questions, really does provide credibility to him. Had he not mentioned that he was calling for help at the scene but only later after the evidence came out, that would have hurt his credibility greatly.
Hope ya'll noticed my thread about 48 Hours doing a special on this tonight -- 6 PM Central. That should be eye-opening.
I'm not saying anything but what it's said the father said. Trying to add information.The father's initial statment matches Zimmerman's initial statement and that of an eye-witness that was there. I just can't think of any reason the father would have to change the story afterwards...
first, Zimmerman's testimony is evidence
second, it matches an eye witness that gave a sworn statement matching his claim.
I don't know. I suspect that will come out in the investigation. But, from what I gather, that eye witness didn't really see it from as near or as clearly as the eyewitness that was actually near the scene. Certainly not as close as Zimmerman was.
Zimmerman claiming that he was calling for help from the very beginning of answering questions, really does provide credibility to him. Had he not mentioned that he was calling for help at the scene but only later after the evidence came out, that would have hurt his credibility greatly.
He really didn't have much time to make-up a story from when the shooting occured to the time the cops arrived. He probably wouldn't have been completly in his right mind so close to teh shooting anyway.
No "he suddenly turned and asked me why I was following him and I said "what are you doing around here" and he just jumped me as I tried to get back to my car" or something to that effect.
No mention of the exchange related as having occurred by the GF. (That we know of yet. It may have been related in the 2 hour interview)..
She told attorneys she then heard the 17-year-old ask "What are you following me for?"
Then a man, presumably Zimmerman, replied: "What are you doing around here?"
The girl said Trayvon must have been pushed because his headset fell off and the phone call ended.
I'm not saying anything but what it's said the father said. Trying to add information.
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I don't have any evidence that the father is lying about why he changed his mind about the voice on the tape.
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Btw, which witness is it? One of the 9-11 calls? Or a different one? I forget which is which and who said what exactly.
Hmm. Hard to tell if you got the story correct then.I'm not sure, he was on the news. I really didn't listen to all of the 911 calls, so it may have been one of them for all i know.
I guess you shouldn’t run from a criminal that you’ve convicted, you should execute him just like Zimmerman did. Right?Ok, that is what I thought....
Tell me, why should I have to run from a criminal?
The police in the country of Florida did determined that SYGL does apply in the shooting they responded to.SYGL doesn't apply in this case, that like I said before is just the excuse that the shooter is using.
Oh, and just so you know, we have the same law here in SC. I think it is a proper law for law abiding citizens.
j-mac
Hmm. Hard to tell if you got the story correct then.
You know how human memory is.
Does anyone else know of the witness that buck is talking about and where we can fin what that witness said?
Tampa Bay’s Fox 13 reported Friday that the witness, who agreed only to be identified as “John,” saw the struggle and it was his testimony the police used to let Zimmerman go free (John spoke to Fox 13′s Orlando Affiliate, Fox 35 on February 27th). His statements to the cops were instrumental because Sanford police say those screams you hear, the anchor notes, are Zimmerman’s and not Martin’s. Says John: “When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”
I don't know. I suspect that will come out in the investigation. But, from what I gather, that eye witness didn't really see it from as near or as clearly as the eyewitness that was actually near the scene. Certainly not as close as Zimmerman was.
Zimmerman claiming that he was calling for help from the very beginning of answering questions, really does provide credibility to him. Had he not mentioned that he was calling for help at the scene but only later after the evidence came out, that would have hurt his credibility greatly.
He really didn't have much time to make-up a story from when the shooting occured to the time the cops arrived. He probably wouldn't have been completly in his right mind so close to teh shooting anyway.
He is far from an objective witness providing impartial information.
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