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Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

What is the FairTax plan?
The FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.

The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.

The FairTax:

Enables workers to keep their entire paychecks
Enables retirees to keep their entire pensions
Refunds in advance the tax on purchases of basic necessities
Allows American products to compete fairly
Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
Abolishes the IRS
We offer a library of information throughout this Web site about the features and benefits of the FairTax plan. Please explore!

This, this would solve so many issues, bring the economy back roaring. The IRS is a weight on the country, it's time to move beyond the regressive tax code and embrace economic prosperity for all.
 
The "fair" tax is a terrible idea. It shifts the tax burden even more onto the middle class and will drastically lower their purchasing power. In an economy driven by middle class consumer spending, the consequences would be dire. Not to mention the system has massive incentives to buy foreign goods or used goods, further lowering domestic spending.
 
This has been discussed to death in several other threads. The flat tax would lower taxes on the rich and increases taxes on nearly everyone else particularly the working middle class. All you have to do is to look as to who is pushing this scheme and it tells volumes about it.
 
This has been discussed to death in several other threads. The flat tax would lower taxes on the rich and increases taxes on nearly everyone else particularly the working middle class. All you have to do is to look as to who is pushing this scheme and it tells volumes about it.

Agreed.

It does sound cool when you are 16 :shrug:
 
Agreed.

It does sound cool when you are 16 :shrug:

That is true. Lots of things sound cool when you are a teen. And then one day mommie stops making our lunch, our bed and life takes on a whole different meaning.
 
This has been discussed to death in several other threads. The flat tax would lower taxes on the rich and increases taxes on nearly everyone else particularly the working middle class. All you have to do is to look as to who is pushing this scheme and it tells volumes about it.

This thread is about the fairtax
 
For clarification: a regressive tax is one that taxes everyone equally regardless of income or ability to pay like - our gas taxes are regressive because it doesn't change according to how much you're capable of covering - but it takes a bigger bite out of those who have less money.
Our current system is progressive - it adjusts according to how much you earn and takes less away from those who can't pay quite as much.

I don't get what's so wrong with expecting the middle class to pay some more in taxes - in the same way I don't get why it's wrong to expect the upper class to pay more in taxes. I've heard it all - and I'll never believe that the Middle Class are overburdened economically. If they were then they wouldn't BE the Middle Class.
 
This has been discussed to death in several other threads. The flat tax would lower taxes on the rich and increases taxes on nearly everyone else particularly the working middle class. All you have to do is to look as to who is pushing this scheme and it tells volumes about it.

Who's pushing the "scheme," Haymarket? Who pushes all changes except give-away programs? The poor and downtrodden? (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Those who say the middle class will be unfairly treated don't understand the concept, in my opinion.

Our income tax system is a complete mess. The income tax forms have become so ridiculously complicated that a multi-billion-dollar industry has grown around it so that even lower-middle-class folks have to pay someone to do their taxes. Absurd. The more income a person has the more opportunity he has to game the system. Own your own business? Another excellent opportunity to avoid one's fair share.

Fair Tax might not be the solution, but our entire system needs to be overhauled. As with most things Congress has designed, it's a whore's nightmare.
 
auntSpiker said:
Our current system is progressive

Only our federal system and a very few states are progressive. The majority of state tax structures are highly regressive.
 
Only our federal system and a very few states are progressive. The majority of state tax structures are highly regressive.

Well I'll admit with some shame that I most certainly know more about federal taxation than state taxation.
 
This thread is about the fairtax

The "fairtax" is just an appeal to pity. Either a consumption tax (sales tax) or flat income tax is being pandered as a "fairtax". Talk about lack of imagination.
 
This thread is about the fairtax

fair tax .... flat tax .... national sales tax ..... its all the same thing. A rose is .... you heard the rest already.
 
For clarification: a regressive tax is one that taxes everyone equally regardless of income or ability to pay like - our gas taxes are regressive because it doesn't change according to how much you're capable of covering - but it takes a bigger bite out of those who have less money.
Our current system is progressive - it adjusts according to how much you earn and takes less away from those who can't pay quite as much.

I don't get what's so wrong with expecting the middle class to pay some more in taxes - in the same way I don't get why it's wrong to expect the upper class to pay more in taxes. I've heard it all - and I'll never believe that the Middle Class are overburdened economically. If they were then they wouldn't BE the Middle Class.

The bolded statement is absolutely true, but the major concern is whether or not the middle class will continue to be the middle class if such a change is made.
 
fair tax .... flat tax .... national sales tax ..... its all the same thing. A rose is .... you heard the rest already.

A properly structured national sales tax would be preferable IMHO, but we will have to figure out what to do with all these tax accountants first!
 
Maggies asks

Who's pushing the "scheme," Haymarket?

Much the same crowd who pushes anything that benefits the rich over the rest of society. That includes the usual suspects on this board who think their money entitles them to lord it over the rest of us while they try to strip millions of their basic rights such as voting. You will know them by their undisguised greed.
 
"The FairTax is regressive and shifts the tax burden onto lower and middle income people"

The truth: The FairTax actually eliminates and reimburses all federal taxes for those below the poverty line. This is accomplished through the universal prebate and by eliminating the highly regressive FICA payroll tax. Today, low and moderate income Americans pay far more in FICA taxes than income taxes. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a FairTax of only 11.5 percent -- a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today. Meanwhile, the wealthy pay the 23 percent retail sales tax on their retail purchases.

Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow and frustrates attempts at upward mobility through hard work and savings, thus harming low-income taxpayers the most.

In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.

How can the FairTax generate lower net tax rates for everyone and still pay for the same real government expenditures? The answer is two-fold. Firstly, the tax base is dramatically widened by including consumer spending from the underground economy (estimated at $1.5 trillion annually), and by including illegal immigrants, those who escape their fair share today through loopholes and gimmicks. In addition, 40 million foreign tourists a year will become American taxpayers as consumers here. Secondly, not everyone's average net tax burden falls. For households whose major economic resource is accumulated wealth, the FairTax will deliver a net tax hike compared to the current system.

Consider, for example, your typical billionaire, of which America now has more than 400. These fortunate few are invested primarily in equities on which they pay taxes at a 15 percent rate, whether their income comes in the form of capital gains or dividends. In addition to having the income from their wealth taxed at a low rate, the principal of their wealth is completely untaxed either directly or indirectly. Assuming they and their heirs spend only the income earned on the wealth each year, the tax rate today is 15 percent. In contrast, under the FairTax, the effective tax rate is 23 percent. Hence, the very wealthy will pay more taxes when the FairTax is enacted. In a nutshell, those who spend more will pay more but low, moderate and middle income taxpayers will benefit from the greatest gains in reduced tax liabilities.

For more information on this topic, see Why the FairTax Will Work.
Americans For Fair Taxation:
 
anything that thwarts the ability of dem politicians to buy the votes of the masses by promising them the wealth of the people who already pay far too much of the federal tax burden is good to me.

and the fact that people like you who claim that they are wealthy would pay a whole lot less isn't too bad either is it?
 
Only our federal system and a very few states are progressive. The majority of state tax structures are highly regressive.

actually most states have an income tax and many have a death tax ( today I read the closing letter from my late mother's estate from the IRS and they referred to the Ohio estate taxes as "death taxes") both of which are progressive and in the case of high tax payers are higher than state sales tax and property taxes.

Life is regressive--I don't see any problem with taxes being regressive by being the same rate for everyone. Now I would oppose the poor having to pay a HIGHER sales tax RATE or income tax rate than the rich but a flat rate-be it sales tax, or income tax I fully support for obvious reasons
 
and the fact that people like you who claim that they are wealthy would pay a whole lot less isn't too bad either is it?

yes, the rich pay too much but if the rate was say 25% (or what ever you all say is the real total rate for the rich) would be fine with me even if my taxes didn't go down. I want people like you and those you claim to support keeping the same of their next dollar as me.

If that means only 50 or even 40 cents so be it because if the masses were able to keep only as much as I do, there would be a major change in our government for the better
 
I don't get what's so wrong with expecting the middle class to pay some more in taxes - in the same way I don't get why it's wrong to expect the upper class to pay more in taxes. I've heard it all - and I'll never believe that the Middle Class are overburdened economically. If they were then they wouldn't BE the Middle Class.

The economy would go into a tailspin with the "fair" tax. Due to the tax itself along with the subsequent massive recession that would follow, the middle class would be much poorer. In the long term, the rich would also take a hit, and be less rich, but I don't really care much about that aspect of it.
 
The economy would go into a tailspin with the "fair" tax. Due to the tax itself along with the subsequent massive recession that would follow, the middle class would be much poorer. In the long term, the rich would also take a hit, and be less rich, but I don't really care much about that aspect of it.

speculation on your part
 
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