Fact Checkers Work Overtime to Lie for Joe Biden

[Schism]

This article popped up on my feed today: No, Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels

So I did a google search: Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels - notice how many news orgs attacked the subject matter.

Here's the speech in context: Biden To Americans: Feeling Poor And Cold? Just Spend Thousands On Solar Panels And New Windows.

After bragging about a few different tax rebates offered, Biden told Americans, “If you’re living in a home with drafty windows and doors, starting January 1, you’ll be able to save up to $1,100 on the cost of replacing them. And that’s just on the upgrade.”

“And that’s not all,” he continued. “If you want to install solar panels on your roof, you can get a tax credit for 30 percent of the cost. It’ll bring down the cost of installation by about $7,500.”

How exactly will that help you in the long run?

“And when you get to keep saving money on your electric bills for the remainder of the year, it’s about $300 a year on average,” he noted.

One response:

We’ve done it before, but let’s again estimate the costs of a few of the Biden administration’s suggested home “improvements”:

The average energy-efficient window pane costs anywhere from $325 to $1,110, according to Modernize, a home services website. That price range is per window — not for the entire home. Using those figures, on the lowest end of the spectrum, if you had four windows in your home, you’d need to spend at least $1,300 before any labor or delivery costs are even calculated into it. If you did that, you would get a $390 tax credit.
[…]
Looking at Granholm’s home state of Michigan, the average solar-panel system costs roughly $16,020 — pre-federal incentives — according to Consumer Affairs. Again, with a 30% tax credit, you’d receive $4,806.00 back if you spent that kind of moolah.
So, if you’re somebody who lives in a four-window home and wants to purchase a basic solar-panel system and buy some efficient windows – you’ll need to spend $17,320 to “save” $5,196.00. Of course, four-window homes are hard to come by, and if they do exist, it is doubtful that their occupants can afford to spend that kind of money.

While it's true that Biden didn't say "If you're freezing" or "If you're concerned about winter energy prices" the fact is that Biden is out of touch with the poor and working class, as most cannot afford such luxuries.

My issue is how the "fact checkers" work in overdrive to tamp down anything Joe mumbles in an attempt to make it harmless. It's NOT harmless if you follow the "Equity" crowd and "wealth disparity" movement. What's really humorous is when the "Equity" and "wealth disparity" proponents drop their pretensions to rush to the defense of Joe Mumbles when he touts tax perks for the wealthy.

Because let's face it, no poor or working folk are getting EV battery cars, solar panels, or new energy efficient windows anytime soon.

VERDICT: "Fact Checkers" are partisan hacks.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Another factor comes into play for low income folks - most pay very little federal income tax (FIT), thus a non-refundable ‘green energy’ tax credit is basically worthless. If your adjusted gross income is $20K/year then your annual FIT due is $500 or less, so it would take you at least 15 years to collect a $7,500 tax credit (assuming that you could even get a loan to cover the cost of installing a solar system ’earning’ that much of a tax credit).

 

[Integrityrespec]

This article popped up on my feed today: No, Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels

So I did a google search: Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels - notice how many news orgs attacked the subject matter.

Here's the speech in context: Biden To Americans: Feeling Poor And Cold? Just Spend Thousands On Solar Panels And New Windows.


One response:


While it's true that Biden didn't say "If you're freezing" or "If you're concerned about winter energy prices" the fact is that Biden is out of touch with the poor and working class, as most cannot afford such luxuries.

My issue is how the "fact checkers" work in overdrive to tamp down anything Joe mumbles in an attempt to make it harmless. It's NOT harmless if you follow the "Equity" crowd and "wealth disparity" movement. What's really humorous is when the "Equity" and "wealth disparity" proponents drop their pretensions to rush to the defense of Joe Mumbles when he touts tax perks for the wealthy.

Because let's face it, no poor or working folk are getting EV battery cars, solar panels, or new energy efficient windows anytime soon.

VERDICT: "Fact Checkers" are partisan hacks.

yes, and yes and yes again. We all have known this a long time. The press is mostly liberal and the blatantly lie for the left.

 

[Schism]

yes, and yes and yes again. We all have known this a long time. The press is mostly liberal and the blatantly lie for the left.

It's the lengths that they go to that's so incredulous.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

This article popped up on my feed today: No, Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels

So I did a google search: Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels - notice how many news orgs attacked the subject matter.

Here's the speech in context: Biden To Americans: Feeling Poor And Cold? Just Spend Thousands On Solar Panels And New Windows.


One response:


While it's true that Biden didn't say "If you're freezing" or "If you're concerned about winter energy prices" the fact is that Biden is out of touch with the poor and working class, as most cannot afford such luxuries.

My issue is how the "fact checkers" work in overdrive to tamp down anything Joe mumbles in an attempt to make it harmless. It's NOT harmless if you follow the "Equity" crowd and "wealth disparity" movement. What's really humorous is when the "Equity" and "wealth disparity" proponents drop their pretensions to rush to the defense of Joe Mumbles when he touts tax perks for the wealthy.

Because let's face it, no poor or working folk are getting EV battery cars, solar panels, or new energy efficient windows anytime soon.

VERDICT: "Fact Checkers" are partisan hacks.

Our President is helping Americans. I support it.

 

[Northern Light]

The term fact checker is an oxymoron. There are no objective facts when it comes to politics, just spin.

Who do the fact checkers work for? Who determines what the facts are?

It's not even garbage yellow journalism anymore, it's even worse. It's corporations masquerading as a Ministry of Truth.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's the lengths that they go to that's so incredulous.

It's blatant lies over and over.

 

[bongsaway]

It's the lengths that they go to that's so incredulous.

The things you guys tell each other, just wow.

Happy Thanksgiving even though you guys don't sound like you have much to be thankful for.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The term fact checker is an oxymoron. There are no objective facts when it comes to politics, just spin.

Who do the fact checkers work for? Who determines what the facts are?

It's not even garbage yellow journalism anymore, it's even worse. It's corporations masquerading as a Ministry of Truth.

Some of them work for totally unbiased nonprofit organizations that only exist to provide accurate news with no financial incentives. So the term "fact checker" is 100% accurate if you go to the right websites.

 

[IQ57]

They love to lie, for the Biden administration.

No surprise there.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Some of them work for totally unbiased nonprofit organizations that only exist to provide accurate news with no financial incentives. So the term "fact checker" is 100% accurate if you go to the right websites.

I’m shocked.

Yet another assertion made with no supporting links or specific references.

 

[upsideguy]

The term fact checker is an oxymoron. There are no objective facts when it comes to politics, just spin.

Who do the fact checkers work for? Who determines what the facts are?

It's not even garbage yellow journalism anymore, it's even worse. It's corporations masquerading as a Ministry of Truth.

What is going wrong with people? Do they really not know what a fact is?

There are indeed objective facts, and the existence thereof can be objectively verified. Facts are not subjective, relative nor do they come in alternative forms. What you are confusing is opinion and fact. You can not spin facts, because you can verify a fact with objective evidence.

Opinions are an argument based upon facts. You can "spin" opinion or spin facts into an opinion, but opinions are not facts. Example: "The temperature is 80 degrees", that is a fact. "It is a warm day", that is an opinion. "It is the hottest day of May", that is a fact. "An 80 degree day in May is a sign of global warming", that is an opinion.

Fact checkers take an argument and verify its underlying facts.

This is simple and fundamental stuff. It is foundational. It is logic. When you start asking questions of "who determines what facts are?"..... well, you are becoming untethered from reality.

 

[Northern Light]

What is going wrong with people? Do they really not know what a fact is?

There are indeed objective facts, and the existence thereof can be objectively verified. Facts are not subjective, relative nor do they come in alternative forms. What you are confusing is opinion and fact. You can not spin facts, because you can verify a fact with objective evidence.

Opinions are an argument based upon facts. You can "spin" opinion or spin facts into an opinion, but opinions are not facts. Example: "The temperature is 80 degrees", that is a fact. "It is a warm day", that is an opinion. "It is the hottest day of May", that is a fact. "An 80 degree day in May is a sign of global warming", that is an opinion.

Fact checkers take an argument and verify its underlying facts.

This is simple and fundamental stuff. It is foundational. It is logic. When you start asking questions of "who determines what facts are?"..... well, you are becoming untethered from reality.

I agree that there are empirical facts that are objective. Most of the time though, truth from a sociological perspective is determined by majority opinion and whomever has the power to sway that opinion, which may or may not align with what is empirical. In politics, this is especially true.

It's not untethering oneself from reality to say that most of the fact checking websites are owned by or connected to big businesses and political interests. Fact checking websites are for the lazy and uninformed who don't have the first clue about how to do basic research.

Empirical facts emerge naturally from reading many samples about the same topic, from many different sources. You then get a general idea of what the picture is. If you only go to a fact checker to get your information, then your information is hardly holistic.

 

[upsideguy]

I agree that there are empirical facts that are objective. Most of the time though, truth from a sociological perspective is determined by majority opinion and whomever has the power to sway that opinion, which may or may not align with what is empirical. In politics, this is especially true.

It's not untethering oneself from reality to say that most of the fact checking websites are owned by or connected to big businesses and political interests. Fact checking websites are for the lazy and uninformed who don't have the first clue about how to do basic research.

Empirical facts emerge naturally from reading many samples about the same topic, from many different sources. You then get a general idea of what the picture is. If you only go to a fact checker to get your information, then your information is hardly holistic.

A fact checking site is not designed to be a source of news. It is designed to verify that a statement or opinion is rooted in verifiable facts. I am challenge your assertion as bolded. What evidence do you have that make you make such disparaging remarks about fact checking cites. Do you have a couple of examples? You do realize that fact checking sites, when they challenge a statement or opinion back up their statements with cites. I am asking you to back up your statement with cites.

They love to lie, for the Biden administration.

No surprise there.

You as well. I challenge that assertion. Back it up with credible cites or its just an ignorant opinion.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Fact Checkers Work Overtime to Lie for Joe Biden

This article popped up on my feed today: No, Biden didn’t advise people who were concerned about winter heating bills to buy solar panels

While it's true that Biden didn't say "If you're freezing" or "If you're concerned about winter energy prices" the fact is that Biden is out of touch with the poor and working class, as most cannot afford such luxuries.

You agree that what the fact checkers said is true.​

And you call what they said a lie.​

Which is it?​

Those are mutually exclusive categories.​

Does that sort of doublethink not make your head hurt?

VERDICT: "Fact Checkers" are partisan hacks.

Are you saying this "ironically"?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

They love to lie, for the Biden administration.

No surprise there.

@Schism posted that the fact-checkers were telling the truth.

Did you notice?

The title of the thread says "lie"
but the actual OP says "it's true"

If you didn't notice,
Why do you suppose you failed to notice that the OP said the fact checkers were telling the truth?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

yes, and yes and yes again. We all have known this a long time. The press is mostly liberal and the blatantly lie for the left.

Since you agree with @Schism

Are you able to explain how something can be "true" as @Schism says​

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While simultaneously still being a lie as @Schism says?​

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The term fact checker is an oxymoron. There are no objective facts when it comes to politics, just spin.
Who do the fact checkers work for? Who determines what the facts are?
It's not even garbage yellow journalism anymore, it's even worse. It's corporations masquerading as a Ministry of Truth.

bullshit
take that scaredy-cat, post-truth crap back to your dorm room