Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

Ben K. · Apr 17, 2013

Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

apdst said:
No, he wasn't even close. Setting off the bomb didn't cause his targets to crowd together to create a massed target for him.

Obviously, the objective of the Boston bombing was for the first bomb to create a massed target for the second bomb. This is Tactics 101 stuff.

You et. al. keep illustrating my point for me: those of you that have zero tactical training don't have any idea what was done here; hence, the bomber has had some kind of tactical training.

You're right, it is tactics 101. And using an attack to create a diversion, for victims or responders, doesn't require tactical training, because its not really that hard to think of.

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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DDD said:
Anyone claimed responsibility for this terror? The police seem to have been informed about the threat. Plus if there were bomb squads there how did they not manage to find the bombs before they blew away?

No one has held their hand up yet.

I have heard nothing about the police knowing about this ahead of time. If you have a link, post it.

Where did you read that bomb squads were at the location?

Did you ever make a mistake in your life?

DDD · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
No one has held their hand up yet.

I have heard nothing about the police knowing about this ahead of time. If you have a link, post it.

Where did you read that bomb squads were at the location?

Did you ever make a mistake in your life?

It's post 871 issued from Jango on this thread. A guy there states that there were police bomb squads ahead of the tournament. The link has already been posted.

Now I don't know what has me making mistakes in my life has anything to do with this tragedy! Nor do I find the context inviting for me to blabber about my life mistakes.

I appreciate the curiosity though. Perhaps in another thread...

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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DDD said:
It's post 871 issued from Jango on this thread. A guy there states that there were police bomb squads ahead of the tournament. The link has already been posted.

Now I don't know what has me making mistakes in my life has anything to do with this tragedy! Nor do I find the context inviting for me to blabber about my life mistakes.

I appreciate the curiosity though. Perhaps in another thread...

It's easy to attack other supposed mistakes, Eh?

jonny5 · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
If you'll take a look at a map you'll see that the USA has lots of borders other than the Mexican border.

Canadians handle their ****.

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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jonny5 said:
Canadians handle their ****.

Always?

No one gets across the border who shouldn't?

Give me a frickin' break here.

Jesus Christ left the planet a long time ago.

ChrisL · Apr 17, 2013

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BmanMcfly said:
Look at where there is "complete" control, a prison. The "government" (not really, but for the purpose of the analogy) cannot even keep drugs and weapons out of prison... How could they protect against something like that?!

It's horrible I know, but really, other than the luck of catching the person in the act of placing something there's not much that can be done for prevention... Though, there are already calls for more cameras, but you can have cameras on everything, but you can't have the personnel to track it all...

But yes, this is a failure, but all reasonable steps are taken to mitigate the chances of these things happening so it takes someone truly motivated, and short of luck there's very little chance to actually prevent somethin like this, unfortunately. It doesn't matter how many armed guards / police you have around...

I agree. I would never want to live as if in prison. We can beef up security at a bit at popular events, but that's about all we can do without encroaching upon our own freedoms.

DDD · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
It's easy to attack other supposed mistakes, Eh?

Excuse me? You are not making much sense. What is attacking mistakes have anything to do with this thread?

Arbo · Apr 17, 2013

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Well, one in hollywood starts with the turning this into an anti-2nd amendment issue, saying we need to 'get rid of the 2nd amendment'...

Actor blames Boston attack on gun culture:

apdst · Apr 17, 2013

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Oberon said:
Still makes no sense as far as numbers go, since just as many people would run the other direction, and many would run toward it, in order to either help or gawk; it seems it would be a wash as far as numbers of people in a given area.

I didn't see all the films, but the ones I did see didn't indicate enough to make that determination, and many of the films show the police trying to drive gawkers away from the first bomb as well as the second, especially since the second went off too soon after the first to make that matter as a tactic, at least from the vids I've seen; the surprise and shock made people stop in their tracks for the most part, followed by just as many people running toward the blasts as away.

It's human nature to avoid danger.

Grant · Apr 17, 2013

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Arbo said:
Well, one in hollywood starts with the turning this into an anti-2nd amendment issue, saying we need to 'get rid of the 2nd amendment'...

Actor blames Boston attack on gun culture:

Is there anyone who contributes more to the 'gun culture' than Hollywood?

Erod · Apr 17, 2013

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Grant said:
Is there anyone who contributes more to the 'gun culture' than Hollywood?

That's the crime in it all. Actual gun owners are almost exclusively good stewards with their arms. Hollywood glorifies guns as common means to an end, making heroes out of people who use them to kill.

Boo Radley · Apr 17, 2013

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Erod said:
That's the crime in it all. Actual gun owners are almost exclusively good stewards with their arms. Hollywood glorifies guns as common means to an end, making heroes out of people who use them to kill.

The chicken and the egg argument aside, as a good number of gun owners shoot themselves or friend and family, how can you make a statement that doesn't take this into account?

Oberon · Apr 17, 2013

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Boo Radley said:
The chicken and the egg argument aside, as a good number of gun owners shoot themselves or friend and family, how can you make a statement that doesn't take this into account?

Define 'a good number'. Maybe in that definition you can post stats showing what percentage of legitimate gun owners shoot themselves or anybody else versus the numbers that don't, or would the latter be 'bad numbers'?

Oberon · Apr 17, 2013

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apdst said:
It's human nature to avoid danger.

It's also human nature to rush to other peoples' aid, at least for those who aren't sociopaths.

Erod · Apr 17, 2013

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Boo Radley said:
The chicken and the egg argument aside, as a good number of gun owners shoot themselves or friend and family, how can you make a statement that doesn't take this into account?

Try almost never. The percentages are infintesimally small. More people die straining too hard on the toilet.

Fisher · Apr 17, 2013

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CNN is reporting one suspect has been identified in the bombing due to department store video

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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Grant said:
Is there anyone who contributes more to the 'gun culture' than Hollywood?

Without a lot of research, my guess is no.

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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Erod said:
Try almost never. The percentages are infintesimally small. More people die straining too hard on the toilet.

How many people have ever been shot by a gun that wasn't there?

Just curious.

Erod · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
How many people have ever been shot by a gun that wasn't there?

Just curious.

Hundreds of thousands. Because the invader that broke in had one, or a machete.

Every country that has ever been ruled by a dictator first had its citizenry disarmed.

Zyphlin · Apr 17, 2013

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Moderator's Warning:

Again folks, THIS thread is not a gun control thread. There are DOZENS all around the forum, take the discussion there

Arbo · Apr 17, 2013

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Boo Radley said:
The chicken and the egg argument aside, as a good number of gun owners shoot themselves or friend and family, how can you make a statement that doesn't take this into account?

comment removed because after posting above warning was seen. I'd like boo to take the above comment to the gun forum so we could discuss it further.

In news about the bombing, did they or did they not arrest a suspect? Many conflicting reports.

tech30528 · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
How many people have ever been shot by a gun that wasn't there?

Just curious.

The same number who have actually flown to school on a unicorn. I see where you are going with this, living in a fantasy world is not going to fix a thing. There are close to 300,000,000 civilian owned guns in this country. The very fact that Chicago has such a high firearms murder rate is why you will never collect them all. In all these years those illegally owned weapons have not been collected, there is no way the rest of illegally owned guns will be found, and unless there is a way law abiding citizens are not going to give theirs up knowing the criminals still have theirs. In the future if you could restrict your comments to reality that would be nice. Otherwise it makes you look like you have no grasp of reality.

shrubnose · Apr 17, 2013

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tech30528 said:
The same number who have actually flown to school on a unicorn. I see where you are going with this, living in a fantasy world is not going to fix a thing. There are close to 300,000,000 civilian owned guns in this country. The very fact that Chicago has such a high firearms murder rate is why you will never collect them all. In all these years those illegally owned weapons have not been collected, there is no way the rest of illegally owned guns will be found, and unless there is a way law abiding citizens are not going to give theirs up knowing the criminals still have theirs. In the future if you could restrict your comments to reality that would be nice. Otherwise it makes you look like you have no grasp of reality.

Whatever.

"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

longknife · Apr 17, 2013

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shrubnose said:
Whatever.

"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

Don't you people bother to read the moderator's warning?

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