Explaining Why Federal Deficits Are Needed[W:5330]

[Gimmesometruth]

and ignore the leftwing results..

Here is the Texas results.....from yer own source:


Texas is the uninsured capital of the United States. More than 5.04 million Texans - including 784,000 children - lack health insurance. Texas' uninsurance rates, 1.5 to 2 times the national average, create significant problems in the financing and delivery of health care to all Texans. Those who lack insurance coverage typically enjoy far-worse health status than their insured counterparts.


and from mine..

As of 2013, Arizona had the third-highest percentage of children without insurance in the country, behind only Nevada and Texas and well above the national average.

 

[Conservative]

Here is the Texas results.....from yer own source:


Texas is the uninsured capital of the United States. More than 5.04 million Texans - including 784,000 children - lack health insurance. Texas' uninsurance rates, 1.5 to 2 times the national average, create significant problems in the financing and delivery of health care to all Texans. Those who lack insurance coverage typically enjoy far-worse health status than their insured counterparts.


and from mine..

As of 2013, Arizona had the third-highest percentage of children without insurance in the country, behind only Nevada and Texas and well above the national average.

What personal advantage do you think you get lying to the people in this forum. Is this a personal or liberal trait on your part

Doesn't look like Kidcare is being cancelled in AZ to me but it does look like as I have stated before you don't have a fricken clue as to what is going on in your state let alone mine

Applications for KidsCare will be accepted beginning July 26, 2016 for coverage that will begin September 1, 2016.




Who Can Receive Services



The applicant may qualify for this program if the applicant:
•Is an Arizona resident
•Is 18 years old or younger
•Is a United States citizen or a qualified immigrant
•Has a Social Security number or applies for one ◦To apply for a Social Security number visit the U.S. Social Security Administration 
◦Make a copy of the form submitted as confirmation of applying for a Social Security Number

•Is under the income limit
•Is not currently covered by other health insurance
•Does not qualify for coverage through a state agency employee
•Is not eligible to receive AHCCCS (Medicaid) coverage
•Is a member of a household that is willing to pay a premium

https://azahcccs.gov/Members/GetCovered/Categories/KidsCare.html

Wonder how badly you have been hurt by actually having regulations to manage the program

 

[Conservative]

Here is the Texas results.....from yer own source:


Texas is the uninsured capital of the United States. More than 5.04 million Texans - including 784,000 children - lack health insurance. Texas' uninsurance rates, 1.5 to 2 times the national average, create significant problems in the financing and delivery of health care to all Texans. Those who lack insurance coverage typically enjoy far-worse health status than their insured counterparts.


and from mine..

As of 2013, Arizona had the third-highest percentage of children without insurance in the country, behind only Nevada and Texas and well above the national average.

By the way, any idea how many kids in AZ could be insured but their parents don't sign up like they don't do in TX. Where are those numbers captured in that pro liberal chart that appeals to those not smart enough to question the data

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Doesn't look like Kidcare is being cancelled in AZ

CHIP in AZ has not accepted new children into the program since 2010.

We went over this yesterday, but then you have to be reminded of anything every 24 hrs.

The KidsCare insurance program for children in low-income families remains in limbo pending state legislative action on next fiscal year's budget.
Some action was anticipated this week, but the Legislature adjourned with no more than rumblings over progress on the spending package.
Arizona froze KidsCare enrollments in 2010 because of a lack of funding. It can be unfrozen under a federal promise to pay all the costs.
As a result of the changed federal policy, the Children’s Action Alliance wants the Legislature to unfreeze enrollment in KidsCare.
“If we unfreeze KidsCare, it would bring Arizona along with the whole rest of the country so that our kids won’t stay behind children in every other state and it gives parents an affordable option,” said Dana Naimark, president of the Children’s Action Alliance.
The Arizona House approved a bill unfreezing KidsCare, but it stalled in the state Senate, where Senate President Andy Biggs said he opposes it.
Biggs' office declined a request for an interview. Previously, he told other news media he opposed unfreezing KidsCare because although the federal government would pay for it, the money still comes from taxpayers.
Biggs is running for Congress in Central Arizona this year.
Naimark said his argument is an oversimplified way of looking at the issue.
“He is absolutely correct, it is not free," she said. "What we say is that it is covered by federal taxes Arizonans have already paid. So we’ve been paying our federal taxes, this is getting our share instead of having our dollars and our health care go to children in other states."
Doctors have said they see the firsthand what happens when young patients lose health insurance coverage.
“I see that in my own practice where I had patients on KidsCare and lost that insurance and they couldn’t come to see me, or felt they couldn’t financially,” said Dr. Eve Shapiro, an Oro Valley pediatrician.

Shapiro said those kids often end up in the emergency room to deal with a health crisis that could have been avoided with early doctor visits. She pointed out the ER and urgent care is more expensive than a regular doctor’s visit.
Most people think of children as healthy, but Shapiro said that is not the reality.
Many have chronic diseases like asthma. When it comes to chronic diseases, managing them with medication is expensive.
"Even when we were in flu season, the cost of Tamiflu, the drug for flu, has gone up to over $150 for a treatment and it used to be a few dollars,” she said.
The budget could be released next week and that may be the first time KidsCare supporters will know if they were successful.
If KidsCare does not make it into the budget, Arizona will continue to be the only state in the nation without a children’s health insurance program.
https://news.azpm.org/p/health-news...na-kidscare-funding-future-still-in-question/

 

[Gimmesometruth]

By the way, any idea how many kids in AZ could be insured but their parents don't sign up like they don't do in TX. Where are those numbers captured in that pro liberal chart that appeals to those not smart enough to question the data

All of that is explained in the provided link, but like yer civics studies, you just don't read.

 

[Conservative]

CHIP in AZ has not accepted new children into the program since 2010.

We went over this yesterday, but then you have to be reminded of anything every 24 hrs.

So what was the signup for in July? Have you consider going door to door to plead with low income people to sign up? Keep believing what the charts tell you but never investigate what is missing from the charts, people who CHOOSE not to enroll and people who JUST DON'T enroll.

Also thanks for the 2010 article, it is 2016 isn't it?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

So what was the signup for in July? Have you consider going door to door to plead with low income people to sign up? Keep believing what the charts tell you but never investigate what is missing from the charts, people who CHOOSE not to enroll and people who JUST DON'T enroll.

Also thanks for the 2010 article, it is 2016 isn't it?

It is really hard to sign up for CHIPS in AZ.....when new enrollment was suspended for 6 years.

PS...I never gave you an article from 2010, you just won't read a gawddamthing.

 

[Conservative]

It is really hard to sign up for CHIPS in AZ.....when new enrollment was suspended for 6 years.

So I am supposed to believe you and not the link I posted? Sorry, that just isn't going to happen as you have a credibility problem

 

[jaeger19]

Name for me ONE Conservative who believes in a 4.2 trillion dollar Obama budget? Name for me one Conservative who doesn't believe in states' rights and responsibilities? Name for me one Conservative who believes in massive federal social engineering? Buddy, there is nothing conservative about you if you believe in those liberal ideologies

Federal social engineering?

You mean like deciding which consenting adults can marry? Or what medical procedures my wife can have?

Budgets?

You mean supporting a large federal deficit when its George Bush president, or Reagan.. but decrying a SMALLER federal deficit when Obama is in power?

States rights and responsibilities? You mean like supporting gun control over the constitution based on "states rights?"..

You are right.. I don;t know any real conservatives that support the above. Which is why sir..you are NOT a conservative.. but are a right wing liberal.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

So I am supposed to believe you and not the link I posted? Sorry, that just isn't going to happen as you have a credibility problem

I think it is so funny for a person that can't read something just presented or remember something from the day previous....to complain about credibility.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

So, you are saying that workers are saving what retirees are spending, plus some of their own? Retirees are spending X and workers are saving Y, not X+Y.

No, workers are saving an amount greater than retirees are spending. If retirees are spending $400 billion/year, and workers are saving $700 billion/year, then x = $400 billion and y = $300 billion. And y is net savings.

 

[jaeger19]

Yes, but day to day operations are handled by local taxes and that is what matters. Your ignorance about the state issue is definitely liberal in nature

That's called a crawfish.. .day to day operations handled by "local taxes and that's what matters"...

How ignorant.. sheesh as if having a federal grant that provides equipment does not free up local money for "day to day operations".

Your ignorance truly knows no bounds.

Come ON man. Sheesh.:roll:

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

You are the one who said that current savers are not only saving their own money but they're also saving the money that retirees are spending. Sounds like fuzzy algebra to me.

And you wonder why I get exasperated. This is why.

 

[Conservative]

Federal social engineering?

You mean like deciding which consenting adults can marry? Or what medical procedures my wife can have?

Budgets?

You mean supporting a large federal deficit when its George Bush president, or Reagan.. but decrying a SMALLER federal deficit when Obama is in power?

States rights and responsibilities? You mean like supporting gun control over the constitution based on "states rights?"..

You are right.. I don;t know any real conservatives that support the above. Which is why sir..you are NOT a conservative.. but are a right wing liberal.

So you are a cafeteria conservative picking and choosing what you want to support. It is up to the states to decide who gets married as that is a state issue

Budgets, most states have to balance their budget not so the Federal govt. and Obama submitted a 4.2 trillion dollar budget and another trillion dollar deficit this year

large federal deficits by Bush most was 4.9 trillion vs. 8.6 trillion from Obama. What bothers me is people like you who tout a smaller Obama deficit and ignore what that deficit went to before he cut it as well as the 1.2 trillion deficit in fiscal year 2016 which is this year so tell me again what smaller deficit?

Gun Control is something the states don't support? Liberals do and here is something for you to think about

“A liberal’s paradise would be a place where everybody has guaranteed
employment, free comprehensive healthcare, free education, free food, free
housing, free clothing, free utilities, and only law enforcement has guns.”

"And believe it or not, such a place does indeed already exist:

It's called Prison."

Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Phoenix, AZ

So yes, you are indeed a liberal. wonder what Modern thinks now

 

[Conservative]

That's called a crawfish.. .day to day operations handled by "local taxes and that's what matters"...

How ignorant.. sheesh as if having a federal grant that provides equipment does not free up local money for "day to day operations".

Your ignorance truly knows no bounds.

Come ON man. Sheesh.:roll:

You are easily indoctrinated by the left to believe what want to believe but the only equipment funded by the federal govt. for the police in any community is the federally mandated increase in equipment mostly for first responders. You do remember the Contract with America which required the federal govt. to pay for mandates?

Why do you lie like a liberal if you aren't one

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Phoenix, AZ

You don't really want to reference Sheriff Joke if you want to argue about responsible spending, he has cost Maricopa County hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and court settlements. From wrongful death cases, to the settlements against the office for harassment of County Supervisors....to the negligence found in not investigating child molestation cases....to his offices sweeps of Hispanics....to his illegal investigations of the sitting Federal Judge in that case....to the increased cost the County has to bear for poor insurance risks......it goes on and on. Yep, the conservative moronic yahoos kept voting him in, but they don't care about costs or his lack of results on recidivism, because.......conservatism is a religion, an irrational belief system.

 

[mmi]

another trillion dollar deficit this year

So yer now lying about next year's deficit being more than a trillion. I suppose yer continuing to spew the same lie about this year's shortfall.

The White House said Friday the federal budget deficit is expected to be $600 billion in 2016, an increase of $162 billion from last year.

The announcement, in a mid-session review of the federal budget, noted the new estimate is $16 billion lower than projected in February. (source)​

If we can get production to pick up, maybe we can get that back down under $500B. 45's proposals are a start in the right direction.

 

[Moderate Right]

No, workers are saving an amount greater than retirees are spending. If retirees are spending $400 billion/year, and workers are saving $700 billion/year, then x = $400 billion and y = $300 billion. And y is net savings.

OK. I'll accept your updated explanation.

 

[Moderate Right]

And you wonder why I get exasperated. This is why.

I was just repeating what you wrote.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

OK. I'll accept your updated explanation.

Does that mean you understand that net savings are a demand leakage, and bad for the economy?

 

[Moderate Right]

Does that mean you understand that net savings are a demand leakage, and bad for the economy?

Things are a lot more complicated than that. However, it does accurately describe the liberal philosophy that no one should save, not the rich and not the poor either. With baby boomers retiring exponentially every year from now for a few more decades, you're perceived problem will solve itself.

 

[Conservative]

You don't really want to reference Sheriff Joke if you want to argue about responsible spending, he has cost Maricopa County hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and court settlements. From wrongful death cases, to the settlements against the office for harassment of County Supervisors....to the negligence found in not investigating child molestation cases....to his offices sweeps of Hispanics....to his illegal investigations of the sitting Federal Judge in that case....to the increased cost the County has to bear for poor insurance risks......it goes on and on. Yep, the conservative moronic yahoos kept voting him in, but they don't care about costs or his lack of results on recidivism, because.......conservatism is a religion, an irrational belief system.

As usual you look at the source and not the content, why don't you go back to lying about Kidcare and distorting the data?

 

[mmi]

baby boomers retiring exponentially every year from now for a few more decades

The baby boom ended in 1964. People born that year will be seventy in 2034, eighteen years from now. I'd say that's not "a few more decades."

And yer misusing the word "exponentially." The percentage of Americans aged 65 and older is projected to increase from fifteen percent to twenty-one percent over that period. That's an annual growth rate of a little less than two percent.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Things are a lot more complicated than that. However, it does accurately describe the liberal philosophy that no one should save, not the rich and not the poor either. With baby boomers retiring exponentially every year from now for a few more decades, you're perceived problem will solve itself.

I'm all for people saving some money. That doesn't mean saving is good for the economy, though. Somebody has to make up for the lost demand, unless you want the economy to shrink.

 

[ludin]

Things are a lot more complicated than that. However, it does accurately describe the liberal philosophy that no one should save, not the rich and not the poor either. With baby boomers retiring exponentially every year from now for a few more decades, you're perceived problem will solve itself.

You know I was talking to my 401k advisor and he said I should be saving and have about 10k my salary put away.
I would but unfortunately I need that money right now, but after my kids are gone I will be saving and investing more of it.

that is what financially smart people do.

Only financially dumb people spend everything they have without saving anything,
or even worse charge up more credit than they can afford.