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Explaining Why Federal Deficits Are Needed[W:5330]

Arizona taxpayers paid out for Medicaid not necessarily for the program you want. You don't like it protest it to that all powerful Federal Govt. you think is going to save you. This is an emotional issue for you but you are out of touch with reality and don't understand the role of either the state or federal govt. There are classes to help you
It is not an "emotional issue" for anyone, it a real issue of low income children not having access to health care because of ideologues like yourself.
 
Yeah whatever. You went off on a diatribe about me and being a liberal and now you are crawfishing backward.

Yes.. you have posted where you THINK those funds go. You THINK those funds go to things the states don;t want.

Apparently like education.


You sir are being totally dishonest about this issue. I have more than addressed it in the past. OVER and OVER.

If you want to be a conservative.. a real conservative... you need to understand that fiscal responsibility is a tenet of being a conservative.

And to be fiscally responsible..one must understand fiscal reality.. both past and present. You sir.. demonstrate a lack of knowledge of either.

I suggest that if you want improve your credibility.. you spend less time calling people names and more time trying to understand the fiscal reality of this country.

You certainly read like a liberal so I will continue to call it like I see it. I didn't call you a name, please post the statement where I did. I said the liberal in you and I admit I have some liberal in me as well but that is expressed at the state and local level, not through the federal bureaucracy

You apparently don't have a clue what your taxes fund which is also like a liberal. Fiscal responsibility isn't delegating responsibility that should be in the states to the Federal Govt. like Education, Police, Firefighers, children health issues.
 
You certainly read like a liberal so I will continue to call it like I see it. I didn't call you a name, please post the statement where I did. I said the liberal in you and I admit I have some liberal in me as well but that is expressed at the state and local level, not through the federal bureaucracy

You apparently don't have a clue what your taxes fund which is also like a liberal. Fiscal responsibility isn't delegating responsibility that should be in the states to the Federal Govt. like Education, Police, Firefighers, children health issues.

Please tell us what is liberal about you. I'm dying to hear.
 
Please tell us what is liberal about you. I'm dying to hear.

My compassion for people in my community and state that are truly in need of help which I give them. I prefer to spend my money directly vs. giving it to a bureaucrat to waste or spend where they see fit. I am also a liberal when it comes to abortion as a result of rape, incest. I believe in spending in the name of compassion locally and actually generating compassionate results
 
BS, you do not express preference, an allowance for an alternative, begrudgingly accepting that federal taxes should be paid to go to programs you do not like.....you are an ideologue who does not accept that any monies should be paid to or redistributed by a federal entity. You expressed that in our CHIP debate. You want Medicaid to be a state program, even when, as in the case of CHIP in AZ, those monies are not being distributed to low income families with children, causing children to become uninsured.
 
BS, you do not express preference, an allowance for an alternative, begrudgingly accepting that federal taxes should be paid to go to programs you do not like.....you are an ideologue who does not accept that any monies should be paid to or redistributed by a federal entity. You expressed that in our CHIP debate. You want Medicaid to be a state program, even when, as in the case of CHIP in AZ, those monies are not being distributed to low income families with children, causing children to become uninsured.

You simply have no understanding of how the govt. works, there are a lot of places I don't like where the money is going and NO I don't like Medicaid or any Federally mandated social programs. You see the difference between you and me is the fact that I have taken civics, I have bought into the country our Founders Created, and I understand that all social expenses are paid for by the citizens of the state, not the federal taxpayers. Cut taxes and let that money remain in the states and just maybe you can get what you want but instead you thing giving the money to the Federal govt. is going to get back to you. There is no assurance of that but there is assurance that state money will get back to you
 
You simply have no understanding of how the govt. works, there are a lot of places I don't like where the money is going and NO I don't like Medicaid or any Federally mandated social programs. You see the difference between you and me is the fact that I have taken civics, I have bought into the country our Founders Created, and I understand that all social expenses are paid for by the citizens of the state, not the federal taxpayers. Cut taxes and let that money remain in the states and just maybe you can get what you want but instead you thing giving the money to the Federal govt. is going to get back to you. There is no assurance of that but there is assurance that state money will get back to you

Well, not really. Assurance via what mechanism? That you can move out of that state if you're unhappy? Tell that to the poor parents in AZ.
 
Well, not really. Assurance via what mechanism? That you can move out of that state if you're unhappy? Tell that to the poor parents in AZ.

What is it you feel the Federal Govt. can do a better job than the states? At the state level there is term limits so you don't like your leaders change them. You can change your representative to Congress but he is one of 435 and 100 Senators. Why this belief that the federal govt. can provide social solutions is beyond comprehension and the results verify that the federal govt. will never solve a social problem but in fact makes it worse and more expensive, but spending in the NAME of compassion sure rings true to liberals.
 
So, you are saying that workers are saving what retirees are spending, plus some of their own? Retirees are spending X and workers are saving Y, not X+Y.

So you don't know algebra either, eh?

All that means is x plus y is greater than x.😂
 
What is it you feel the Federal Govt. can do a better job than the states? At the state level there is term limits so you don't like your leaders change them. You can change your representative to Congress but he is one of 435 and 100 Senators. Why this belief that the federal govt. can provide social solutions is beyond comprehension and the results verify that the federal govt. will never solve a social problem but in fact makes it worse and more expensive, but spending in the NAME of compassion sure rings true to liberals.


I have a feeling that if someone was in need of low-income health care assistance and their state decided to stop providing it, they wouldn't wait around living in that state for long enough to vote the incumbent out of office and convince the newcomer to reinstate it.
 
You simply have no understanding of how the govt. works, there are a lot of places I don't like where the money is going and NO I don't like Medicaid or any Federally mandated social programs.
The point was, I understand how you work, you just verified everything I said, your use of the word "prefer" was a complete misnomer. You are a "states-rights" ideologue who does not show compassion for the poor if you go as far as to say that AZ is doing the right thing in not redistributing already paid taxes for CHIP.
You see the difference between you and me is the fact that I have taken civics, I have bought into the country our Founders Created, and I understand that all social expenses are paid for by the citizens of the state, not the federal taxpayers.
You are living in a pre 1860s fantasy land where states become fiefdoms that can violate the rights of citizens.
Cut taxes and let that money remain in the states and just maybe you can get what you want but instead you thing giving the money to the Federal govt. is going to get back to you. There is no assurance of that but there is assurance that state money will get back to you
It is a BS argument, right now there are monies from AZ taxpayers that are waiting to be redistributed back to AZ citizens....and you have argued that it is the right of a state legislature to not redistribute those funds. Your severe, wacky, reactionary states rights ideology will go so far as to refuse to call out a state legislature for not providing health care to deserving low income children. You are not compassionate in any sense, you are a hardcore ideologue.
 
I have a feeling that if someone was in need of low-income health care assistance and their state decided to stop providing it, they wouldn't wait around living in that state for long enough to vote the incumbent out of office and convince the newcomer to reinstate it.

We have FREE healthcare clinics in my community provided by the people of the community. I know, I am part of the charity that provides for it. People depend too much on the federal bureaucracy instead of doing for themselves. My community did just that and volunteer doctors and nurse man the facility
 
The point was, I understand how you work, you just verified everything I said, your use of the word "prefer" was a complete misnomer. You are a "states-rights" ideologue who does not show compassion for the poor if you go as far as to say that AZ is doing the right thing in not redistributing already paid taxes for CHIP.You are living in a pre 1860s fantasy land where states become fiefdoms that can violate the rights of citizens.It is a BS argument, right now there are monies from AZ taxpayers that are waiting to be redistributed back to AZ citizens....and you have argued that it is the right of a state legislature to not redistribute those funds. Your severe, wacky, reactionary states rights ideology will go so far as to refuse to call out a state legislature for not providing health care to deserving low income children. You are not compassionate in any sense, you are a hardcore ideologue.

And you are a liberal living in a world where there is no such thing as personal responsibility and it is always someone else's fault for not providing what you want. You have the ability but not the initiative and drive to do what you want so you delegate to the Federal Govt. That is what liberals always do, spend in the name of compassion ignoring the very poor results. Yes, I am a states' rights advocate for that is what our Founders created. you really ought to take a civics class and then so some research to see the alternatives to the federal bureaucracy on social spending
 
What is it you feel the Federal Govt. can do a better job than the states?
Of course it can, there are thousands of examples....I just gave you one. Another are hundreds of examples of LA state environmental crimes by oil companies that were ignored because it is so cheap to pay off a state legislator, state inspector...any sort of state employee. Monied corporations have no problem getting what they want at the state level. You don't know how govt really works, this is what you don't get in high school civics classes.
 
Of course it can, there are thousands of examples....I just gave you one. Another are hundreds of examples of LA state environmental crimes by oil companies that were ignored because it is so cheap to pay off a state legislator, state inspector...any sort of state employee. Monied corporations have no problem getting what they want at the state level. You don't know how govt really works, this is what you don't get in high school civics classes.


No, what you see is what you want to believe, you don't see the waste, fraud, abuse as well as bureaucracy because that doesn't fit your narrative. It really is a waste of time dealing with people like you but one day I assure you that attitude of yours will change, maybe when you start realizing or start paying for some of that debt service. Doesn't Arizona have term limits? You don't think there are payoffs at the federal level? How about looking at Hillary's tax returns or how she ran the state department. Ever paid any attention to the balance sheet of one of our Congressional leaders or Federal bureaucrats? You really are very naïve and gullible. you can correct the state problem but you can nothing about the federal bureaucrats. Keep throwing money at them and accept mediocre or poor results.
 
And you are a liberal living in a world where there is no such thing as personal responsibility and it is always someone else's fault for not providing what you want. You have the ability but not the initiative and drive to do what you want so you delegate to the Federal Govt. That is what liberals always do, spend in the name of compassion ignoring the very poor results. Yes, I am a states' rights advocate for that is what our Founders created. you really ought to take a civics class and then so some research to see the alternatives to the federal bureaucracy on social spending
Yer so frigging 19th century, the Civil War is over, your side lost and we are not going back to those bad old days. You just cannot accept that there are huge inequities between states, that the rights of citizens are negatively affected by the inequities everyday, and ideologues like yourself are indifferent to the plight of those effected. Yours is the worst form of reactionarism.....because you see first hand not only the damage done by your ideology, but the greatness achieved through federalism.
 
You certainly read like a liberal so I will continue to call it like I see it. I didn't call you a name, please post the statement where I did. I said the liberal in you and I admit I have some liberal in me as well but that is expressed at the state and local level, not through the federal bureaucracy

You apparently don't have a clue what your taxes fund which is also like a liberal. Fiscal responsibility isn't delegating responsibility that should be in the states to the Federal Govt. like Education, Police, Firefighers, children health issues.

If it were not for federal involvement. Many states Including yours.. if the federal government did not help fund Education, police, firefighters.. an especially children health issues.. would not be able to effectively provide needed services.

You don;t have a clue what federal tax dollars fund. You really are more like a liberal if being liberal means being ignorant of fiscal matters.

in fact.. I think we already established that you are truly a right wing liberal.
 
Yer so frigging 19th century, the Civil War is over, your side lost and we are not going back to those bad old days. You just cannot accept that there are huge inequities between states, that the rights of citizens are negatively affected by the inequities everyday, and ideologues like yourself are indifferent to the plight of those effected. Yours is the worst form of reactionarism.....because you see first hand not only the damage done by your ideology, but the greatness achieved through federalism.

My side lost? I am from the state of Washington and grew up in Ohio. Better tell that to the people who live in Ohio that my side lost. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? You never admit it, do you?

your really have no concept of term limits or working towards what you want within your state. Why is that? You prefer whining and complaining and telling us how much you care by delegating your responsibility to the federal govt. That really is a shame that there are people like you who just don't or won't get it. We have a bloated, out of control Federal govt. filled with rich politicians who make a living keeping people dependent and with the support of people like you will continue to do so.
 
If it were not for federal involvement. Many states Including yours.. if the federal government did not help fund Education, police, firefighters.. an especially children health issues.. would not be able to effectively provide needed services.

You don;t have a clue what federal tax dollars fund. You really are more like a liberal if being liberal means being ignorant of fiscal matters.

That is your opinion, the federal govt. doesn't fund police, fire fighters or teachers in my community, my property taxes and sales taxes do. Your ignorance is one of a liberal, change your lean
 
You don't think there are payoffs at the federal level?
Of course there are, I never made an absolute utopia argument about federalism, I have learned though that the trade-off goes far into the favor of the federalism we experience today as compared to the 19th century you want us to return to. And you cannot argue otherwise, you have firmly entrenched your position in the 19th century.
 
My side lost? I am from the state of Washington and grew up in Ohio. Better tell that to the people who live in Ohio that my side lost. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? You never admit it, do you?

your really have no concept of term limits or working towards what you want within your state. Why is that? You prefer whining and complaining and telling us how much you care by delegating your responsibility to the federal govt. That really is a shame that there are people like you who just don't or won't get it. We have a bloated, out of control Federal govt. filled with rich politicians who make a living keeping people dependent and with the support of people like you will continue to do so.
Your side is what you profess NOW, where you exist NOW, what you argue for NOW. This has nothing to do with your childhood, your past....but your desire to turn back the US clock to 1850.
 
What is it you feel the Federal Govt. can do a better job than the states? At the state level there is term limits so you don't like your leaders change them. You can change your representative to Congress but he is one of 435 and 100 Senators. Why this belief that the federal govt. can provide social solutions is beyond comprehension and the results verify that the federal govt. will never solve a social problem but in fact makes it worse and more expensive, but spending in the NAME of compassion sure rings true to liberals.

Because some things the Federal Government can do on a more efficient and equitable economic scale.

The federal government has the ability to pool resources and do things that best fit the national interest.

And example is the Medicare that you take advantage of. There is no way a private entity or a state entity would have the ability to provide Medicare on its own. There simply is not enough of a pool for each state to make it financially viable.
 
Your side is what you profess NOW, where you exist NOW, what you argue for NOW. This has nothing to do with your childhood, your past....but your desire to turn back the US clock to 1850.

Please... he doesn't know what was really happening in 1970... much less 1850.
 
Of course there are, I never made an absolute utopia argument about federalism, I have learned though that the trade-off goes far into the favor of the federalism we experience today as compared to the 19th century you want us to return to. And you cannot argue otherwise, you have firmly entrenched your position in the 19th century.

I am in a state that has a part time legislature that meets every two years. It is a state that understands personal responsibility and the power of its citizens to be the best they can be and we do that. We have created a FREE healthcare facility in my community for people without healthcare. We didn't wait like you do for the federal govt. to do it for us. This state rejected the expansion of Medicaid and will continue to reject the expansion of the federal govt. People keep flocking to this state, wonder why?

You are typical of many on the left always wanting someone else to do for you because you either can't or are too lazy to work towards the end that you want. When you can't win at the ballot box you go to the courts and when that doesn't work you delegate responsibility to the federal govt. In the real world that responsibility is yours and you cannot delegate responsibility under any circumstances.
 
Please... he doesn't know what was really happening in 1970... much less 1850.

Aw, yes, cannot refute what I post so you go with the personal attack. From this point on I will indeed call you a liberal until you act like a conservative
 
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