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Exclusive: Putin's demands for peace include an end to NATO enlargement, sources say

j brown's body said:
Are you arguing that Putin is as bad as the west without criticizing him again?
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Trying to claim the West hasn’t done the exact same things as Putin is blatantly untrue. As I just pointed out, if anything the West has done more.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Trying to claim the West hasn’t done the exact same things as Putin is blatantly untrue. As I just pointed out, if anything the West has done more.
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So Putin not being quite as bad gets him off your hook?
 
Tigerace117 said:
The West operates on the presumption it is “better” than Russia. Are you admitting it isn’t?
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Well, our life expectancy is about 10 years greater than their's and we dont jail and kill our dissidents, but what's that got to do with your hypocrisy?
 
j brown's body said:
Well, our life expectancy is about 10 years greater than their's and we dont jail and kill our dissidents, but what's that got to do with your hypocrisy?
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The U.S. absolutely kills and jails dissidents, so that’s a blatant falsehood,
 
Tigerace117 said:
You claimed the West hadn’t done what Putin had, an assertion which is simply a falsehood.

Why, so you can refuse to acknowledge them again?

You already admitted said monitoring is meaningless as you wouldn’t accept the result regardless.

Nope, fact.

NATO’s forces have invaded far more countries than Putin. Why should anyone trust NATO, given the criteria listed 😂
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LOL So how many countries has NATO annexed? You don't seem to get the fact that Putin takes territory for himself when he invades. It is being rewarded for invading his neighbors that is not acceptable or legal for obvious reasons. That precedent cannot stand.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL So how many countries has NATO annexed? You don't seem to get the fact that Putin takes territory for himself when he invades. It is being rewarded for invading his neighbors that is not acceptable or legal for obvious reasons. That precedent cannot stand.
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The Iraqis and Syrians have repeatedly demand the US leave their land. The US has continued to refuse to do so at all costs.

So what you are saying is the US and its NATO pals can’t be allowed any benefit or gain from their attacks on at least a half a dozen countries over the last twenty years. Noted.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The Iraqis and Syrians have repeatedly demand the US leave their land. The US has continued to refuse to do so at all costs.

So what you are saying is the US and its NATO pals can’t be allowed any benefit or gain from their attacks on at least a half a dozen countries over the last twenty years. Noted.
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LOL Georgia has millions in the street protesting Russian control of their Govt. and Putin refuses to allow free and fair elections there. We do not control the Govts. in Iraq or Syria. And no NATO has not received any benefits from any of their police actions either. Quite the opposite... it has been very costly for them.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Georgia has millions in the street protesting Russian control of their Govt. and Putin refuses to allow free and fair elections there. We do not control the Govts. in Iraq or Syria. And no NATO has not received any benefits from any of their police actions either. Quite the opposite... it has been very costly for them.
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Lol. Georgia is still furious their repeated efforts to crush their minorities have always ended in utter disaster for them. Georgia sent troops to Iraq to participate in America’s war of aggression there, and got nothing out of out.

NATO has been able to keep its jackboot on the throats of people across the Middle East, with the only cost being their ongoing resistance to said occupation. NATO refuses to leave as a result, despite the demands of the local governments.
 
Loulit01 said:
Why does Putin get to tell sovereign nations they can't join NATO if they want to?
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Why did the US get to tell a sovereign Cuba whose missiles they can host if they want to?

Why did the US invade Cuba soon after, at the Bay of Pigs? Oh, it's not evil when you want it, right? Hypocrite.
 
Fledermaus said:
Who invaded at the Bay of Pigs?
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The US attempted to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, to carry out a regime change operation.
US intervention in its own hemisphere is very well known. Do you dispute it? You're very selective in whom you condemn over special military operations.
 
sanman said:
The US attempted to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, to carry out a regime change operation.
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The US didn't invade.

It was Cuban exiles who opposed Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution. Aided and funded by the US. But the US didn't invade.

sanman said:
US intervention in its own hemisphere is very well known. Do you dispute it? You're very selective in whom you condemn over special military operations.
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Yes, there has been US intervention in the past. And Spanish, French, English.....
 
sanman said:
The US attempted to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, to carry out a regime change operation.
US intervention in its own hemisphere is very well known. Do you dispute it? You're very selective in whom you condemn over special military operations.
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You conveniently forget how Moscow came to govern Asiatic lands from the Moskva River to the Pacific Ocean. 11 time zones.

And Moscow's control of the Warsaw Pact European nations after WWII.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol. Georgia is still furious their repeated efforts to crush their minorities have always ended in utter disaster for them. Georgia sent troops to Iraq to participate in America’s war of aggression there, and got nothing out of out.

NATO has been able to keep its jackboot on the throats of people across the Middle East, with the only cost being their ongoing resistance to said occupation. NATO refuses to leave as a result, despite the demands of the local governments.
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You haven't posted anything that even suggests NATO would invade or attack Russia. None of those countries pose the same problems as attacking and invading Russia.

The US with Britain have invaded and occupied countries, but NATO never has.

The US is not going to attack Russia, NATO is not going to either. Nobody would invade Russia except Napoleon and Hitler but they're dead. Just like everything else about Putin, he has ulterior motives when lying to the world.

And what we have here is that the man who has invaded another country is demanding that he needs a security agreement so that he, the attacker, is not attacked.
 
soap box said:
You haven't posted anything that even suggests NATO would invade or attack Russia. None of those countries pose the same problems as attacking and invading Russia.

The US with Britain have invaded and occupied countries, but NATO never has.

The US is not going to attack Russia, NATO is not going to either. Nobody would invade Russia except Napoleon and Hitler but they're dead. Just like everything else about Putin, he has ulterior motives when lying to the world.

And what we have here is that the man who has invaded another country is demanding that he needs a security agreement so that he, the attacker, is not attacked.
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Other than the repeated actions of NATO across the globe, involving numerous wars of aggression, you mean?

NATO has sponsored such campaigns for decades.

The U.S. has already invaded Russia before. The fact the American soldiers failed pathetically to accomplish anything of note doesn’t change that.
 
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