This goes to show that the most likely explanation is usually the best. The obsessive human behavior to mess with mother nature makes us ideal hosts for viruses looking to break out of their ruts and see the world at our expense. We need to learn that we share this planet and just "because we can" is not going to work out well for us.However, China's government has most of the nation convinced it originated in the US, because they lie. This does suggest their long-known reckless practices led to this.
Studies offer further evidence that the coronavirus pandemic began in animals in Wuhan market | CNN
Two preprint studies posted Saturday offer further evidence that the coronavirus originated in animals and spread to humans in late 2019 at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.www.cnn.com
I have always leant towards the wet market thesis. The Wuhan lab CT is full of holes, which some try to paper over.However, China's government has most of the nation convinced it originated in the US, because they lie. This does suggest their long-known reckless practices led to this.
Studies offer further evidence that the coronavirus pandemic began in animals in Wuhan market | CNN
Two preprint studies posted Saturday offer further evidence that the coronavirus originated in animals and spread to humans in late 2019 at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.www.cnn.com
Oh cut it out. The cult doesn't want to hear that. They are too busy blaming to fight for human lives.However, China's government has most of the nation convinced it originated in the US, because they lie. This does suggest their long-known reckless practices led to this.
Studies offer further evidence that the coronavirus pandemic began in animals in Wuhan market | CNN
Two preprint studies posted Saturday offer further evidence that the coronavirus originated in animals and spread to humans in late 2019 at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.www.cnn.com
No no no! It has to be a lab leak! Otherwise the whack-jobs can't keep up the "China China China" dumbeat.However, China's government has most of the nation convinced it originated in the US, because they lie. This does suggest their long-known reckless practices led to this.
Studies offer further evidence that the coronavirus pandemic began in animals in Wuhan market | CNN
Two preprint studies posted Saturday offer further evidence that the coronavirus originated in animals and spread to humans in late 2019 at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.www.cnn.com
There's still plenty for criticizing China apparently, about the way they initially covered it up and lied about it not being transmissible human to human, that prevented containing it.No no no! It has to be a lab leak! Otherwise the whack-jobs can't keep up the "China China China" dumbeat.
What I found suspicious about the lab theory was how if it had been a leak, the government seems little doubt they'd lie and cover it up, and that there was a real coincidence of a related lab nearby but the evidence is seeming strong it wasn't leaked from it.I have always leant towards the wet market thesis. The Wuhan lab CT is full of holes, which some try to paper over.
I am not sure if you have seen the videos from Wuhan Wet market. The question should be not how did it happen, but why it did not happen much sooner.The two things that made the lab suspicious for me are the government's total willingness to lie and cover it up if it did happen, and the coincidence of a nearby lab, but the evidence is more and more against it.
There's still plenty for criticizing China apparently, based on the way they initially covered it up and lied about it not being transmissible human to human, that badly caused containing its spread.
I agree, and think I saw a lot of predictions of exactly that. In fact the youtubers I watch on China had a video from 2015 or 2016 IIRC where they went to a wet market to show people what it's like, and joked about how likely SARS viruses are to come from them and joking how they were in danger to make the video by going there.I am not sure if you have seen the videos from Wuhan Wet market. The question should be not how did it happen, but why it did not happen much sooner.
But it did, Sars
And China still did not ban the trade of wildlife on the markets.
Never trust China, not this current goverment. They are the world's biggest technology thieves, always shit stirring.I agree, and think I saw a lot of predictions of exactly that. In fact the youtubers I watch on China had a video from 2015 or 2016 IIRC where they went to a wet market to show people what it's like, and joked about how likely SARS viruses are to come from them and joking how they were in danger to make the video by going there.
Those same youtubers recently mentioned that while China shut down the markets for a while, they re-opened them fully and with zero new protections in place. They also did great videos about the misinformation campaign to claim the virus was from the US they say have convinced most Chinese people.
You are so correct. I have learned a lot about that from the youtubers I mentioned - there are hundreds of hours of good content from years of coverage. It's hard for Americans to appreciate the problems of the Chinese government. In addition to the examples I mentioned above, here is a video they made specifically about Coronavirus very early on in January 2020.Never trust China, not this current goverment. They are the world's biggest technology thieves, always shit stirring.
China and Russia are the Democracies biggest external threat.
We in the West need to wake up. The old bear is still the enemy, despite what some politicians tell you.
China is watching, taking notes.
We will never know 100% the physical origin of the virus. It looks animal origin, which was the thesis since Spring 2020 by many that are much more clever than me.You are so correct. I have learned a lot about that from the youtubers I mentioned - there are hundreds of hours of good content from years of coverage. It's hard for Americans to appreciate the problems of the Chinese government. In addition to the examples I mentioned above, here is a video they made specifically about Coronavirus very early on in January 2020.
Did you check the video or others by them?We will never know 100% the physical origin of the virus. It looks animal origin, which was the thesis since Spring 2020 by many that are much more clever than me.
I have watched a few minutes, will finish in bed later this evening.Did you check the video or others by them?
However, China's government has most of the nation convinced it originated in the US, because they lie. This does suggest their long-known reckless practices led to this.
Studies offer further evidence that the coronavirus pandemic began in animals in Wuhan market | CNN
Two preprint studies posted Saturday offer further evidence that the coronavirus originated in animals and spread to humans in late 2019 at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China.www.cnn.com
For what it's worth, these two lived in China for over ten years and do a great job at educating about things people don't know about the country and government. I expect from your comments you will find them useful. That video isn't the best but gives a good sample.I have watched a few minutes, will finish in bed later this evening.
I don't have or subscribe to any social media. I get my news from AP, Reuters and BBC. Minimum opinion reporting, if it's an opinion piece it's clearly marked, and i look for the label.
After 2016 I stopped getting my primary news from CNN. I had turned off Fox 2010 or so. It's all slanted one way or the other.
Get the facts, research and know your sources.
I will research the authors, get some background before finishing the video.For what it's worth, these two lived in China for over ten years and do a great job at educating about things people don't know about the country and government. I expect from your comments you will find them useful. That video isn't the best but gives a good sample.
Brief info: they both moved to China with no plans to ever move, and began making positive videos about the country. After some year there, the videos became a mix of positive about the country and great criticism of the government. They reported on how the country changed drastically around 2014 when the new leader took power, and they finally moved from the country feeling oppressed, and don't plan to go back because they'd be seized; the government regularly attacks them and their channels which they often document. The channel for the South African person is "SerpentZA", well worth checking out, it has the most subscribers with nearly a million; their joint channel earlier was "ADVChina" and later "ADVPocasts". They just made a new channel "Chinafactcheckers" which has very little content and probably isn't worth your time yet.I will research the authors, get some background before finishing the video.
I treat most You Tube videos with suspect, depending on topic.
Its an Authoritarian regime, after covid I am determined not to step foot in China, ever!
Thank you for the additional info. I can certainly understand they not feeling safe in China to speak freely. I live work in a certain Middle East country not known for its appreciation of different opinions of its leaders than what's published in its official press.Brief info: they both moved to China with no plans to ever move, and began making positive videos about the country. After some year there, the videos became a mix of positive about the country and great criticism of the government. They reported on how the country changed drastically around 2014 when the new leader took power, and they finally moved from the country feeling oppressed, and don't plan to go back because they'd be seized; the government regularly attacks them and their channels which they often document. The channel for the South African person is "SerpentZA", well worth checking out, it has the most subscribers with nearly a million; their joint channel earlier was "ADVChina" and later "ADVPocasts". They just made a new channel "Chinafactcheckers" which has very little content and probably isn't worth your time yet.
No problem. I added a few more comments to that post if it helps. They report on a huge number of issues and have all kinds of firsthand evidence. It's hugely eye-opening. This issue of authoritarian media control is great and one we in the US don't think much about, even as we see our silos of 'mainstream media' versus right-wing 'fake news'.Thank you for the additional info. I can certainly understand they not feeling safe in China to speak freely. I live work in a certain Middle East country not known for its appreciation of different opinions of its leaders than what's published in its official press.
code, can you explain why it's unacceptable? What do you know (or think you know) to conclude its unacceptable? It just seems to me you ignore the opinion of actual scientists out of some deluded and obedient theory that if it was a lab leak we cant hold trump accountable for his incompetence, lies and malfeasance. Oh and as a bonus, could you explain if it turns out that it was a lab leak how that makes trump not responsible for his incompetence, lies and malfeasanc? thanks in advanceAnd yet there has been no example anywhere, anytime, anyhow that the Covid-19 Virus was ever passed from an animal to a human outside of a lab.
How indoctrinated does a person need to be to accept the unacceptable?
The medical authority in China, especially in Wuhan city, reported on December 2019 a large number of highly fatal, rapidly spreading viral pneumonia caused by an unknown coronavirus. The common history of all the patients was their visiting a Wuhan's whole food store, where live animals and seafood are sold.And yet there has been no example anywhere, anytime, anyhow that the Covid-19 Virus was ever passed from an animal to a human outside of a lab.
How indoctrinated does a person need to be to accept the unacceptable?
And a whole lot more.I’ll admit I was more on the side this was a lab leak. This new evidence is compelling. I should have known that taking the side of the dumbest people on Earth was probably wrong. They’ve been wrong on literally everything pandemic.
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