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"Everyone welcome" is now unacceptable.

gmeyers1944 said:
The illegal immigrants are allowed to take their children back to wherever they came from when they go home, therefore, there is no separation.
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Why not do what is best for the US citizen children and give their parents grean cards so they can stay instead of sending the parents of citizens out?

Do what is in the best interest of US citizen children.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
Amendment I "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Congress did not pass a law establishing religion. Local school officials chose to display the 10 Commandments. What you desire definitely defies their free exercise of religion!
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And if a public school chose to display verses from the Koran, I am sure you would not be offended.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Why not do what is best for the US citizen children and give their parents grean cards so they can stay instead of sending the parents of citizens out?

Do what is in the best interest of US citizen children.
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They don't like that because the children are brown.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Posting one religions documents in a government school and not documents from the others "establishes" that religion.
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No, it does not. To make it clear what they meant by establishing religion, they wrote the part about prohibiting the free exercise thereof!
 
NolanVoyd said:
Like what?
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A good example is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. The controversy surrounding DEI centers on concerns about its potential to be unfair, discriminatory, and a threat to meritocracy. Critics argue that DEI initiatives can lead to reverse discrimination, prioritizing identity over talent in hiring and promotions. Additionally, some view DEI as a form of "political correctness" that stifles free speech and academic freedom.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
No, it does not.
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of course it does.

That is precisely what the term means.
gmeyers1944 said:
To make it clear what they meant by establishing religion, they wrote the part about prohibiting the free exercise thereof!
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Huh?

yes two parts or clauses. "The establishment clause" and the "free exercise clause"

1st

The government cannot establish a religion.

2nd.

The gocmvernment cannot prevent the free exercise of religion.

Posting documents from one religion and prohibiting others establishes a religion and violates the establishment clause.

Perhaps take a civics class.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
A good example is Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. The controversy surrounding DEI centers on concerns about its potential to be unfair, discriminatory, and a threat to meritocracy. Critics argue that DEI initiatives can lead to reverse discrimination, prioritizing identity over talent in hiring and promotions. Additionally, some view DEI as a form of "political correctness" that stifles free speech and academic freedom.
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Nonsense.

Arguing that DEI has made America not great is a bullshit lie fed to gullible people by Fox news and other purveyors of right wing propaganda.

Not supported by facts.

Try not to always fall for it.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Why not do what is best for the US citizen children and give their parents grean cards so they can stay instead of sending the parents of citizens out?

Do what is in the best interest of US citizen children.
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We need to know who is coming into this country. A lot of these illegal aliens are criminals or terrorists. People desiring to come to America need to do so legally. Cross the border at the right places and not sneak in.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
We need to know who is coming into this country.
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They are here. They have US citizen children. Much easier to find out who they are and let them stay then to click them out


gmeyers1944 said:
A lot of these illegal aliens are criminals or terrorists.
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Outright lies.

the percentage that are criminals is vanishingly small.
gmeyers1944 said:
People desiring to come to America need to do so legally.
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the legal immigration system is badly broken. It takes decades. Meanwhile our economy needs their labor now, not in decades
gmeyers1944 said:
Cross the border at the right places and not sneak in.
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Fix the broken system so the labor our economy needs can do just that.

Let's go back to the Ellis Island type system....show up unannounced, write your name down, take a TB test, and you are on your way, legally, in a matter of hours not decades

You with me
 
gmeyers1944 said:
I would homeschool my children.
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Hence the problem.

All kids have a right to go to public school. Even your kids, which is why schools shouldn't be displaying documents from one religion and not the others in public schools.
 
NolanVoyd said:
They are here. They have US citizen children. Much easier to find out who they are and let them stay then to click them out



Outright lies.

the percentage that are criminals is vanishingly small.

the legal immigration system is badly broken. It takes decades. Meanwhile our economy needs their labor now, not in decades

Fix the broken system so the labor our economy needs can do just that.

Let's go back to the Ellis Island type system....show up unannounced, write your name down, take a TB test, and you are on your way, legally, in a matter of hours not decades

You with me
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If only what you say were true!
 
gmeyers1944 said:
If only what you say were true!
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Its totally true. You got systematically lied to by Fox and other right wing propaganda and sadly, you fell for it.

If you disagree with something i said, dont run away, refute it with facts.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
I would homeschool my children.
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Nice if you have the option.

Why should loads of people have to home school to avoid your particular religious beliefs? You don't get to decide which - if any - religions my children are taught. That's my job. That's my choice. Keep your religion at home and at church.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
If only what you say were true!
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It is. A lower percentage of immigrants, legal or otherwise, commit crimes inside the USA than the percentage of citizens who commit crimes.

I know you don't want to hear that, because it interferes with the trope of the dirty, disease-infested foreigner, but there it is. I can provide the relevant links if you like.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Your analogy missed the mark vompletely.

No, o proved you wrong.

But your example missed the mark.

The point is, to suggest that 'tolerance requires one to be tollerant of the Klan or the Nazis (who are the embodiment of intollerance)'....is contradictory.
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😆 Now you even scramble my words while editing my post.

My example proved your claim false. You agreed with that, and now you're trying to qualify your claim. Game over.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
There are several policies enacted by leftists that make America something less than great.
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The slogan is make America Great Again.

The slogan implies that America isn't Great.

If everybody is welcome is anti-America, then so is Make American Great.

Consistency isn't a MAGA virtue.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
I have nothing against minorities, however, I do not believe that minorities should receive preferential treatment. Each person should be treated as an individual.
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You may believe that you have 'nothing against minorities', but you really do. The Heritage Foundation, with more than 500,000 members, has written the script for white people, with the explicit intention of creating the narrative that DEI is 'anti-white', or 'reverse racism'. This is not the case at all. DEI simply addresses the historic, and intentional disregard of people of color who are equally qualified for a job. DEI creates an inclusive workplace and focuses on fairness and equal opportunity, which does not give unfair advantages to a person only because they're white. Historically, black people would not even dare to apply for a job where the workforce was all white. There was no point. But this also turns away people that are more qualified and competent for the job.

Minorities have been excluded for better paying jobs in the past because black minorities had no access to higher education during segregation. Black enrollment in U.S. colleges increased significantly after the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, and after Jim Crow laws were dismantled. Blacks were able to access the same financial aid as their white counterparts and choose their college based on academic criteria, rather than being consigned to enroll in only Black colleges. With further education, black people experienced rising incomes, and with better paying jobs, they were able to rise out of poverty, move out of the ghettos, purchase homes, educate their kids in good schools, support local businesses through their purchases, help state and federal budgets by paying taxes. These are personal and social advantages enjoyed throughout history by white people, which they never had before.

It's just a reality that historically, most of 'corporate America' hired white people over blacks, despite the fact in which the applicants were more highly qualified for a job in those corporations. 'Upper management' positions are filled by white men and women. There's a significant majority of CEOs at major companies like those in the Fortune 500 companies that are composed of roughly, 88-99% white men. There are growing numbers of female and minority CEOs, but they remain a minority compared to white men in top leadership positions, and that has nothing to do with their education and experience, it has to do with the color of their skin.

The Heritage Foundation, and the Project 2025 manifesto, is a very comprehensive project designed to restructure American society, sending us back to the days of Jim Crow and pre Civil Rights Bill. This will have unfortunate and even dire consequences for us as a nation. Whether you accept this fact or not, Trump's cabinet is all white, and profoundly unqualified. They are incompetent, and appointed solely for their loyalty to Donald Trump, which literally makes each of them a DEI hire. Do we really want an incompetent, uneducated, unqualified Director of National Intelligence, or Director of Defense Department in charge of our nation's national security based solely on the color of their skin? Or, do we want these vital positions filled with men and women who are dedicated to our country, who are educated, trained and have the years of experience and the skills needed to competently do the job they were given?
 
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