Ever have to use your weapon?

[spanky]

I needed my gun not 3-4 days ago to ward off a road-rager. I spoke about it on this forum. Before that, in 2006 I pointed my gun at a home intruder and he ran. Turns out he wasn't trying to rob me, he was just involved in a fatal gang beating and was running from the cops.

My New-Years resolution is to get a non-resident CCW from every states which issues non-resident CCWs so that I can carry just about everywhere in the US, though. Utah law enforcement are stopping in my town to offer a class which all such states accept. I plan to take the class and do all the paperwork to get all these permits. I regularly travel cross-country to visit family and there's no more reason why I should go unarmed then there is for me to leave my religion in a safe at home.

What religion is that?

 

[jacobchillerman]

Can't say I've ever had to, but I do carry. I believe Gun Rights are vital in fixing crime. The more politicians ban guns, the more brazen criminals are going to be. It's not like Gun Laws will stop murders, who the hell ever heard of a criminal who listens to laws? The best thing we can do is carry our guns, and defend ourselves if necessary.

 

[JackFrost]

I needed my gun not 3-4 days ago to ward off a road-rager. I spoke about it on this forum. Before that, in 2006 I pointed my gun at a home intruder and he ran. Turns out he wasn't trying to rob me, he was just involved in a fatal gang beating and was running from the cops.

My New-Years resolution is to get a non-resident CCW from every states which issues non-resident CCWs so that I can carry just about everywhere in the US, though. Utah law enforcement are stopping in my town to offer a class which all such states accept. I plan to take the class and do all the paperwork to get all these permits. I regularly travel cross-country to visit family and there's no more reason why I should go unarmed then there is for me to leave my religion in a safe at home.

Paranoia confirmed:lamo

 

[CalGun]

While CA has certainly its share of "gun" issues with the state its not the worst. Getting a permit here is not impossible and in fact has gotten a lot easier in the past 10 years. Since the AWB dropped during the Bush years there is a robust sale of AR's in the state but there is an effort in the state legislature to stop that - and after this election is may well pass. I simply wasn't carrying because at the time my only experience with firearms was hunting and I didn't carry a hunting rifle or shotgun with me on the ranch at age 16. Shortly after that event my father introduced me to his 1911 from WWII and stupidly I carried that for about 6 months before realizing what an hierloom it is and put it away for safekeeping - bought a shinny new Colt Gold Cup to take its place and carried it instead. As I'm not so much older I've recently abandoned the 45 but still love the 1911 so my permist is for a Kimber 1911 - 9mm which I carry routinely. I've not used it, never even pulled it, and would like to keep it that way.

The only way I'm ever stepping foot in CA again is if ordered there with my unit or to take care of my mother's estate when she passes.

 

[jimbo]

Not to be a dick, but if you we're so close to begin with, why did you let it go as far as it did?
I get that, the closer you were, the more accurate your shooting would've been, but why even chance hitting the kid instead of manhandling that ugly bastard off of him?

Drove in my driveway, dogs had the kid down on the pavement and were mauling him. As always, I had a weapon in the truck.

Only a fool would wade into a dog fight swinging his fists, especially with two dogs. The reason I got within 5 feet was to be sure that I would not hit anything other than my intended target.

 

[spanky]

I've lived in CA my whole life and the only time I felt I needed to carry was after the Rodney King verdict.

 

[Goshin]

I've lived in CA my whole life and the only time I felt I needed to carry was after the Rodney King verdict.

If you lived in Compton, or worked there, or had to pass thru it on a regular basis, you might feel differently.

Also, as I've said, a lot of us are all too aware from experience that there really is no such thing as "a safe neighborhood". Sure, lots of neighborhoods are "safe"... until they find out there was a meth lab half a mile from their doorstep, or that the nice real estate agent down the road had the bodies of six young women buried in his backyard. **** can happen anywhere at anytime, and it doesn't care if you're ready.

 

[Jerry]

What religion is that?

Let's say I'm a Pastapherian. As long as I'm not running around injuring anyone then if I want to wear a pirate costume and pray to a plate of spaghetti then I should be allowed. The same is true for carrying a gun. And yes we can go ahead an toss the pirate sword in with the same considerations.

 

[Kal'Stang]

There are parts of Cali that are pretty safe, and there are parts of Cali that are very dangerous indeed.

Part of the problem with calling it paranoia to carry is that there is no such thing, really, as "a safe place". Granted there are relatively safe places... but once in a while bad **** happens in places where bad **** had never happened before, and if you're not ready to deal with the situation (in some fashion or other) then you're screwed.

As an ex-cop, I've just seen too much to ever feel "safe" unless I am prepared to defend myself. I've known victims to say things like "I don't understand, we've NEVER had anything like this happen around here before..." and "I was just walking along when BAM!..." You get the picture.

In truth, the only safety any of us possess is the safety we create for ourselves. Everything else is illusionary, born of a lack of understanding about crime and criminals. A lot of people don't like to think about what can happen, and don't like to believe that it can happen to them in their "safe" neighborhood... I understand WHY they don't want to think about such things, but that attitude is so far from where I am that it sounds like people who live in an alternate universe to me.

You pays your money, you chooses your frame of reference, and you takes your chances. I won't pressure you to adopt my methods if you don't pressure me to adopt yours. :shrug:

I felt that this needed to be reposted again due to the utter truth in it.

 

[PirateMk1]

No, to walk down the street.

The only ordinary civilians allowed to carry in CA are both 1. residents who 2. have a need.

I am neither. I am not allowed to carry in CA, and so I won't go to that state unless I have no choice. The only way I will have no choice but to go to that state is if my unit is sent there or if I need to show up in person for something related to my mother's estate.

Theres an exception for antiques. Cap and ball percusion revolvers can run pyrodex as a substitute or if your piece is capable run smokeless which is what I like to do. .54cal lead ball will ruin anyones day vest or not. Apparently the libs havent dicovered that yes cap and ball will kill people just as dead as your standard semi auto cartridge firearm. I like to call the method enhanched high speed lead poisoning.

 

[PirateMk1]

Let's say I'm a Pastapherian. As long as I'm not running around injuring anyone then if I want to wear a pirate costume and pray to a plate of spaghetti then I should be allowed. The same is true for carrying a gun. And yes we can go ahead an toss the pirate sword in with the same considerations.

Pasta the "other" food group. You can never have enough pasta. Its just like firearms or swords or tanks, or Doritoes, one helping just isnt enough.:mrgreen:

 

[jimbo]

Theres an exception for antiques. Cap and ball percusion revolvers can run pyrodex as a substitute or if your piece is capable run smokeless which is what I like to do. .54cal lead ball will ruin anyones day vest or not. Apparently the libs havent dicovered that yes cap and ball will kill people just as dead as your standard semi auto cartridge firearm. I like to call the method enhanched high speed lead poisoning.

If I lived in a non gun state, I think that is what I would do. Todays black powder loads are not as corrosive as the old black powder and can be left in the weapon.
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I think that modern day reproductions are also legal in most states.

 

[spanky]

If you lived in Compton, or worked there, or had to pass thru it on a regular basis, you might feel differently.

Also, as I've said, a lot of us are all too aware from experience that there really is no such thing as "a safe neighborhood". Sure, lots of neighborhoods are "safe"... until they find out there was a meth lab half a mile from their doorstep, or that the nice real estate agent down the road had the bodies of six young women buried in his backyard. **** can happen anywhere at anytime, and it doesn't care if you're ready.

Your box says you live in Dixie. So have you ever lived or done business in Compton?

 

[spanky]

Let's say I'm a Pastapherian. As long as I'm not running around injuring anyone then if I want to wear a pirate costume and pray to a plate of spaghetti then I should be allowed. The same is true for carrying a gun. And yes we can go ahead an toss the pirate sword in with the same considerations.

You avoided the question. I wonder why.

 

[PirateMk1]

If I lived in a non gun state, I think that is what I would do. Todays black powder loads are not as corrosive as the old black powder and can be left in the weapon.
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I think that modern day reproductions are also legal in most states.

You can run smokeless in cap and ball weapons if you make sure they are built to take the pressures generated by it, otherwise Pryodex which is a blackpowder substitute works great. If you take care of blackpowder weapons they are quite reliable. A remigton 1858 cylnder can be changed in 6 seconds. Thats pretty quick and quicker than some cartridge firearms with speedloaders. You can get that in .44caliber which is very hard hitting. You can run shortbarral shotgun running precussion caps legaly. Precusion cap technology maybe old, but that dont make it ineffective. Those same pistols like the colt walker Dragoon in modern materials can be as safe as modern firearms and just as powerful. In fact up till the .357magnum the colt walker dragoon was THE most powerfull handgun in the world. A lot of the older weapons were designed for instinctive shooting they are very natural in the hand and quite accurate shooting with just one hand. Point and shoot literally. Dragoons and the like were accurate up to about 100yrds. Thats a fair distance for ANY pistol.

 

[Jerry]

Pasta the "other" food group. You can never have enough pasta. Its just like firearms or swords or tanks, or Doritoes, one helping just isnt enough.:mrgreen:

May you be touched by his noodlie appendage. May his balls forever be tender and juicy in your mouth.

 

[Jerry]

Theres an exception for antiques. Cap and ball percusion revolvers can run pyrodex as a substitute or if your piece is capable run smokeless which is what I like to do. .54cal lead ball will ruin anyones day vest or not. Apparently the libs havent dicovered that yes cap and ball will kill people just as dead as your standard semi auto cartridge firearm. I like to call the method enhanched high speed lead poisoning.

A high-school buddy of mine later licensed as a P.I. just so he could carry in CA. He did some occasional side work, token background checks, serve papers for the court house and such, to justify his carry permit, but he was in the electronics field for a living. If I had stayed in CA I would have don something similar. I may have just become a cop. I nearly became an MP in the service anyway.

Socially, being a cop also instantly dissolves even the most paranoid of casual observers who notice your gun. "Is that a gun, why do you have a gun"..."why would carry a gun to <location>......"I'm a cop". Puts the whole thing to bed pretty quick.

 

[PirateMk1]

May you be touched by his noodlie appendage. May his balls forever be tender and juicy in your mouth.

How can you turn something so right into something so wrong? I feel like I have been molested by pastaie goodness all of these years. Oh well if its wrong I'd rather not be right, I shall embrace the noodlie appendage, and tender meaty balls shall forver be juicy in my mouth in climax of delicous goodness. :wink:arty

 

[PirateMk1]

A high-school buddy of mine later licensed as a P.I. just so he could carry in CA. He did some occasional side work, token background checks, serve papers for the court house and such, to justify his P.I. license, but he was in the electronics field for a living. If I had stayed in CA I would have don something similar. I may have just become a cop. I nearly became an MP in the service anyway.

Where there is a will there IS a way.

 

[AD IUDOCIUM]

A high-school buddy of mine later licensed as a P.I. just so he could carry in CA. He did some occasional side work, token background checks, serve papers for the court house and such, to justify his P.I. license, but he was in the electronics field for a living. If I had stayed in CA I would have don something similar. I may have just become a cop. I nearly became an MP in the service anyway.

Sounds like a lot of bull**** to go through just to carry, but it's understandable. In IL, you can legally transport a firearm, as long as it's unloaded and the ammunition is separate. It would be a pain in the ass if one we're to need quick access, but it'll do in a bind.

 

[Jerry]

You avoided the question. I wonder why.

Because your question wasn't related to the thread topic. You attempted to derail the discussion, I saw through it and brought your line of thought back to the topic. Trying to polarize the issue won't succeed because a woman has just as much right to shoot and kill her rapist as she does to abort an pregnancy resulting from a rape. The right to self-defence does not belong to the Left or the Right. It transcends those imaginary ideological barriers.

 

[Jerry]

Sounds like a lot of bull**** to go through just to carry, but it's understandable. In IL, you can legally transport a firearm, as long as it's unloaded and the ammunition is separate. It would be a pain in the ass if one we're to need quick access, but it'll do in a bind.

My problem with IL is I just want to pass though on I90. I don't even get out of the car. To suit my needs, I don't even need IL to allow carry in public. Just let people have a gun in their home, business or car as these are extensions of the person. If I have to stop for gas I can put the gun in the glove box and pay at the pump.

I don't know how many people are familiar with that stretch of I90, but once you get into the flow of traffic it's a real pain in the ass to stop before entering IL and stopping again after leaving IL. The best way to navigate I90 in that aria is to get into a left non-truck lane and stay there.

Funny thing is, IL is very anti-gun, but he instant they offer a non-resident carry permit of any kind, folks like myself will line up to give them our money.

Obstructing a law abiding citizen from using an interstate highway while in otherwise legal possession of a firearm has to brake some kind of federal law. If it doesn't, it should.

 

[AD IUDOCIUM]

My problem with IL is I just want to pass though on I90. I don't even get out of the car. To suit my needs, I don't even need IL to allow carry in public. Just let people have a gun in their home, business or car as these are extensions of the person. If I have to stop for gas I can put the gun in the glove box and pay at the pump.

I don't know how many people are familiar with that stretch of I90, but once you get into the flow of traffic it's a real pain in the ass to stop before entering IL and stopping again after leaving IL. The best way to navigate I90 in that aria is to get into a left non-truck lane and stay there.

Funny thing is, IL is very anti-gun, but he instant they offer a non-resident carry permit of any kind, folks like myself will line up to give them our money.

Fill up miles before Gary, then refill halfway from Chicago to Rockford. Just don't pull off in Rockford, West or South Chicago, and for Christ's sake do not stop in Gary. If you've been to Gary, you'd understand why.

 

[spanky]

Because your question wasn't related to the thread topic. You attempted to derail the discussion, I saw through it and brought your line of thought back to the topic. Trying to polarize the issue won't succeed because a woman has just as much right to shoot and kill her rapist as she does to abort an pregnancy resulting from a rape. The right to self-defence does not belong to the Left or the Right. It transcends those imaginary ideological barriers.

I responded to a comment of yours. If we were in court the judge might rule that you opened the door.

 

[Goshin]

Your box says you live in Dixie. So have you ever lived or done business in Compton?

Nope. Never set foot in the place. I've heard it is a high crime area, that's all I know about it... I simply mentioned it by way of example. If you don't like the example of Compton, then pick some other high-crime area and consider it.

The specific example doesn't matter, the point is that just because you feel safe doesn't mean you are safe.