My post has really nothing to do with whether the secession itself was moral/legal. I am speaking strictly on the fact they seceded because they wanted to protect the 'rights' of a wealthy few to own other human beings. That in of itself disqualifies such people from being glorified in the form of a monument on public grounds.
OK, but my point is that slavery was in the US constitution and thus it was not treasonous to insist on obeying that constitution, in fact, it was treasonous to attack those that wished to have the constitutional provisions adhered to or be allowed to leave the union.
Secession was ruled unconstitutional under 'Texas vs White.' Even the strict constitutionist Antonin Scalia stated, ""If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede." If there was a provision that allowed for secession under the Constitution, surely someone like Scalia would have mentioned it? They seceded, there was no provision under the Constitution for secession, the Confederates were, therefore, traitors.
This does not mean I, personally, wouldn't support secession/treason under the right conditions. The failure of the federal government to protect the 'rights of slaveowners' is not one of them.
Hmm... so if a majority in congress decides to outlaw owning guns or real estate then all states must simply accept that? The idea of the constitution was to require amendment by a super-majority of states not a simple majority in congress.
Yep. Lee advised we just forget the whole thing and move on.
He knew that losers shouldn't be memorialized.
Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments | PBS NewsHour
OK, but my point is that slavery was in the US constitution and thus it was not treasonous to insist on obeying that constitution, in fact, it was treasonous to attack those that wished to have the constitutional provisions adhered to or be allowed to leave the union.
Except Congress had not outlawed slavery. It was still legal in the South up to the point they seceded.
That is like saying that the assault weapons ban did not outlaw assault weapons because it had a grandfather clause.
And why exactly are you comparing the 2nd Amendment to the 3/5 Compromise?
Both were ways used to get around amending the constitution to accomplish removing/restricting a right.
And by God, you will have your revenge!
I need no revenge. The Confederate cause is dead as are the initial traitors. It's a shame the scars they inflicted on this great nation are still felt today.
Except Congress had not outlawed slavery. It was still legal in the South up to the point they seceded.
Why not just let it go, then?
Slavery wasn't outlawed until after the Civil War ended. No, The Emancipation Proclamation didn't outlaw slavery.
Because some people insist revering these traitors as heroes instead of the losers they were.
These people claim to be patriotic Americans yet fly the flag of traitors.
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? :doh
Did we win Vietnam?
No. Do you?
Is that supposed to be relevant?
I never said anything about slavery being outlawed by the Emancipation Proclamation.
I never said you didn't. Stop being so ****ing defensive.
If it makes you feel better, I'm sorry I triggered you.
The traitor part isn't even what gets me. After all, our country was founded by traitors. It is the fact they became traitors in order to preserve an abhorrent system. That is what I find so repugnant.
Who cares about traitors to a higher human authority, that's often a good thing. They were traitors to the ideals of the Constitution, The Enlightenment, social progress for mankind. The world was waking up to the horror of slavery and some inbred redneck white trash made a last stand here.
The remnants are not going to rise up. Enough placating them (against Lee's wishes, heh). Down with the hostile foreign monuments.
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