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Even many Republicans think Trump offers of Pardons to 1/6 convicts is bad.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.

I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.

“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.


Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

“Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.
Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.
“I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.
“I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.
Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.
“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.

“I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.
Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said people who committed crimes on Jan. 6 must face the consequences of their actions.
“The only people that get pardoned are people who are charged with crimes. If they were charged with crimes, they ought to be prosecuted like everybody else,” he said. “The rule of law applies. If people broke laws, they need to be held accountable.”

Etc.
 
NolanVoyd said:

GOP senators led by Graham slam Trump Jan. 6 pardon promise​

thehill.com

GOP senators led by Graham slam Trump Jan. 6 pardon promise

Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C…
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Probably a bad idea but then each case would have to be looked at individually to know for sure. Process hasn't been handled all that great.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.

I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.

“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.


Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

“Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.
Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.
“I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.
“I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.
Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.
“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.

“I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.
Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said people who committed crimes on Jan. 6 must face the consequences of their actions.
“The only people that get pardoned are people who are charged with crimes. If they were charged with crimes, they ought to be prosecuted like everybody else,” he said. “The rule of law applies. If people broke laws, they need to be held accountable.”

Etc.
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When you look at the list of pardons by Presidents over the years, it seems there are always some questionable ones that smell of partisan politics.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.

I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.

“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.


Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

“Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.
Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.
“I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.
“I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.
Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.
“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.

“I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.
Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said people who committed crimes on Jan. 6 must face the consequences of their actions.
“The only people that get pardoned are people who are charged with crimes. If they were charged with crimes, they ought to be prosecuted like everybody else,” he said. “The rule of law applies. If people broke laws, they need to be held accountable.”

Etc.
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Trump didn't say he'd give pardons. He qualified it by saying he'd "consider" giving pardons. Like when he said he was "considering" releasing his Health care plan. Trump's word means nothing. He has deservingly, lost all credibility. Lock him up.
 
Mycroft said:
Graham isn't one of Trump's allies. He's a GOP Elite. He's a weasel.
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I'd bet he changes his tune quickly if the Feds find a reason to indict him.
 
Integrityrespec said:
When you look at the list of pardons by Presidents over the years, it seems there are always some questionable ones that smell of partisan politics.
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What was Trump's excuse for pardoning the two military officers who were convicted of murder?
 
Integrityrespec said:
When you look at the list of pardons by Presidents over the years, it seems there are always some questionable ones that smell of partisan politics.
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lol none as corrupt as Trump
 
Integrityrespec said:
When you look at the list of pardons by Presidents over the years, it seems there are always some questionable ones that smell of partisan politics.
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Apples to oranges.

That is bad enough but this is different.

Trump is promising in advance to pardon people convicted of crimes related to an insurection against the USA.
 
This is yet another sign that MAGA is weakening in preference for moderation and normalcy by the public.
 
While some were over-charged, I don't see anything that was over the top in terms of prison time. Trump would be wise to condemn Jan 6th, but it looks like he's backing it. Horrible strategy come 2024.
 
NolanVoyd said:

GOP senators led by Graham slam Trump Jan. 6 pardon promise​

thehill.com

GOP senators led by Graham slam Trump Jan. 6 pardon promise

Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C…
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Somehow I picture Lindsey getting on his knees and begging Trump for forgiveness when Trump calls him out for this. Dissention is verboten in the cult.
 
imo, Trump will not get the majority of Independent or moderate Republican votes.
- considering offering pardons to convicted 1/6 protesters
- Still spreading the "election was stolen" theme
- Presidential records at MAL
- Labeling Republicans who do not 100% support him as RINO's.
- and many other factors.
 
NolanVoyd said:
You dismiss everybody who disagrees with Trump...........it sooooo convenient.
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Disagree with Trump? Graham? Oh yes...until he finds it convenient to agree with Trump.

Graham is a weasel.
 
Mycroft said:
Disagree with Trump? Graham? Oh yes...until he finds it convenient to agree with Trump.

Graham is a weasel.
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I don't disagree with you about him being a weasel.

I do find it funny though that your yard stick for what is true seems to depend on weather it benefits Trump or not.
 
Mycroft said:
Disagree with Trump? Graham? Oh yes...until he finds it convenient to agree with Trump.

Graham is a weasel.
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Something died with Graham when John McCain died. He changed. He's never been the same. it's as if McCain was his rock. Without him around, Graham has lost all sense of gravity.
 
Donatello said:
Trump didn't say he'd give pardons. He qualified it by saying he'd "consider" giving pardons. Like when he said he was "considering" releasing his Health care plan. Trump's word means nothing. He has deservingly, lost all credibility. Lock him up.
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So either he was lying in order to shore up 'the base' or he was lying to hide behind.
 
NolanVoyd said:
I don't disagree with you about him being a weasel.

I do find it funny though that your yard stick for what is true seems to depend on weather it benefits Trump or not.
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I haven't said anything about Trump. I've only talked about Graham.

Your mischaracterization of me is misplaced.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Something died with Graham when John McCain died. He changed. He's never been the same. it's as if McCain was his rock. Without him around, Graham has lost all sense of gravity.
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Hmmm...not a bad analogy, though I would use a different one.

McCain was the boat that Graham sailed on. When that boat sunk, Graham has be left to swim on his own. He's not a very good swimmer.
 
Mycroft said:
I haven't said anything about Trump. I've only talked about Graham.

Your mischaracterization of me is misplaced.
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It's not a mischaracterization.

The subject is Republicans disagreeing with Trump.

Of course. Like clockwork you dismiss anyone or any fact that doesn't go Trumps away.

It is the most predictable thing on Debate Politics.
 
He should be going to prison with them.
 
NolanVoyd said:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.

I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.

“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.


Former President Trump’s promise to grant pardons to the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is running into strong opposition from Senate Republicans.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump’s closest allies, told The Hill that granting pardons to Jan. 6 protesters is “a bad idea.”

“Pardons are given to people who admit misconduct, rehabilitate themselves. They’re not supposed to be used for other purposes,” he said.
Other Republican senators are joining Graham in criticizing Trump’s promise to pardon the Jan. 6 protesters as inappropriate.
“I don’t think potential candidates should hold pardons out as a promise,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who is usually a reliable Trump ally. “It’s somewhat problematic for me on a moral level and an ethical level — sort of like promising other giveaways to particular individuals.
“I prefer avoiding those kinds of things,” he said.
Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) said he wouldn’t support granting pardons to people convicted of crimes because of their actions on Jan. 6.
“If he were elected, he would have a constitutional ability to do it,” he said of Trump’s promise of pardons. “I would disagree with it. I think there was insurrection and I think these folks need to be punished.

“I was there. This was truly violent. People were injured, people were killed. I have very little mercy for the individuals that were involved in that activity that day,” Rounds added.
Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) said people who committed crimes on Jan. 6 must face the consequences of their actions.
“The only people that get pardoned are people who are charged with crimes. If they were charged with crimes, they ought to be prosecuted like everybody else,” he said. “The rule of law applies. If people broke laws, they need to be held accountable.”

Etc.
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Poor Lindsay sways with each gust of wind. One can never tell which way he's gonna lean next.

Or when he will fall down.
 
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