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Europe's Open-Border Policy may be Nearing its End.....[W:31]

Rightwingguy said:
the thing is, there's already more than enough labour, esp the unskilled type, or have you never heard of unemployment
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In Germany the estimates go apart, but they require well over an average of 200.000 immigrants indefinitely per annum to maintain the size of the population i.e. labor force.
 
so are you trying to tell me there are no unskilled native Germans? how many by the way - and also, if Merkel wants to send her country down the drain that's up to her, - let that idealist stay in her own bubble

we don't give a **** what Merkel wants!
 
joG said:
It is surprising how little some people do follow the matter at hand, while accusing others of ignorance of it. You do realize there is a difference between a country of 80 millions and one of say almost 7 millions? Did you realize that the demonized Hungary by that token had taken in more refugees, when I checked it a while back, than Germany? And you do realize that Hungary has many more unemployed than Germany? There are many factors that play into the equation that you leave out of your sweeping discourse. Is that for lack of knowledge or to improve the spin you prefer? ;)
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I know all that and it is one reason (of many) why Germany is calling for a more European solution. It'll still be taking the most refugees and by its financial power it'll be able to.

Apart from the finances YOU DO realize that there are countries in Europe with far more space? Not only geographically but by being less populated.

And where the heck has Hungary taken in 100,000 refugees? That's at least what they'd need to match the per capita rate of Germany. Orban is a right wing nut and it is HE that is demonized and rightly so. By many Hungarians as well. Not merely since this refugee crisis bu because he's stomping all over democratic values of his own country.

As to the rest of your post, go stuff that somewhere where it's dark, narrow and dirty (No, not where you think, but the chimney place maybe).

I don't dignify crap ad hominems with any response nor do I let misrepresentations, whether they come from you direct or Pegida, just pass.

And speaking of spins, better stop yours before you get all dizzy.
 
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What gets lost in all the fracas ("positives" are not news) are things like these

A small arrivals hall at Munich's central train station became the scene of a huge improvised relief effort as more than 2,000 migrants arrived in the Bavarian capital in a single day.

The events in Munich mirrored a new popular feeling in the past few days in Germany, as humanitarian concern has appeared to overwhelm the usual political debates about mass-migration
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Munich sees massive impromptu help for refugees | Germany | DW.COM | 02.09.2015

As Europe faces the challenge of a wave of migration across its borders, with people fleeing violent conflict and terrorism looking for a better life, German soccer fans have welcomed refugees with open arms.

Following a string of violent anti-migrant protests, German soccer team Borussia Dortmund invited some 220 refugees to a Europa League game last Thursday. In a surprising moment of acceptance, thousands of German soccer fans showed their support for the refugees by holding up banners that urged their fellow citizens to stop racism and welcome those in need.

Thousands also gathered in Dresden last weekend and carried banners in support of the refugees. Marchers held a large banner that read "prevent the pogroms of tomorrow today."
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German Soccer Fans Welcome Refugees Amid Ongoing Crisis

Bayern Munich and other soccer teams pitch in to help Europe’s wave of refugees

As the refugee crisis in Europe continues to grow, help is coming from a place most might not expect — soccer. Reigning Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich announced on Thursday a plan to offer training camps, language lessons and more to children of refugees. To inaugurate the upcoming program, Bayern players will be accompanied to the field by refugee children before their Sept. 12 match against FC Augsburg.

“We at FC Bayern consider it our socio-political responsibility to help displaced and needy children, women and men, supporting and assisting them in Germany,” the team’s chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said in a statement.
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with Celtic, not all that German, following suit somewhat
“This is absolutely the right thing for us to do,” the Celtic FC Foundation’s chief executive Tony Hamilton said in a statement. “Our club was formed by immigrants, many of whom had escaped the devastation of the great famine. Celtic was created to offer vital help in a time of need and we feel it is important that we are there again.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/09/03/bayern-munich-and-other-soccer-teams-pitch-in-to-help-europes-wave-of-refugees/
 
After the shocking photo of the little dead Syrian boy, the human tragedy hit home. It's a shame that an image like that is needed to wake people up, but oh well.

Germany is stepping up to the plate.

I must say I profoundly admire what the Germans are doing.

Yes, Europe *should* help and absorb these people.

Right wing people who are against it are just... evil.
 
Chagos said:
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And where the heck has Hungary taken in 100,000 refugees? That's at least what they'd need to match the per capita rate of Germany......
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You mean, you didn't even bother to look up the statistics?

Now don't get me wrong. Orban is not a "nice man" nor do I generally like his politics. But in this case he is right on almost every point and has done nothing that is unusual in the EU.
 
Chagos said:
Apart from the finances YOU DO realize that there are countries in Europe with far more space? Not only geographically but by being less populated.
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Plenty of space in other middle Eastern or African countries - why don't the migrants go there? not something to do with free benefits and handouts in Europe is it?
 
GreatNews2night said:
After the shocking photo of the little dead Syrian boy, the human tragedy hit home. It's a shame that an image like that is needed to wake people up, but oh well.

Germany is stepping up to the plate.

I must say I profoundly admire what the Germans are doing.

Yes, Europe *should* help and absorb these people.

Right wing people who are against it are just... evil.
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and how many people have you actually helped?:roll:
 
Good News.....someone has decided to help the Europeans out and take care of the refugee crisis. Now just think if Europe had a couple that would do the same. Imagine that!





Egypt billionare offers to buy Med island for refugees.....

Egyptian billionaire Naguib Sawiris has offered to buy an island off Greece or Italy and develop it to help hundreds of thousands of people fleeing from Syria and other conflicts.

"Greece or Italy sell me an island, I'll call its independence and host the migrants and provide jobs for them building their new country," he wrote.....snip~

Egypt billionare offers to buy Med island for refugees - Yahoo News
 
Rightwingguy said:
and how many people have you actually helped?:roll:
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What kind of comment is that? You know nothing about me. I have had a 36-year career that focuses on helping people. I've helped literally thousands of people, in rather significant ways.
 
Britain wants to quit Europe: Shock new poll shows EU 'no' camp ahead for the first time as Cameron prepares to face down Tory rebels

A majority of British people would vote to leave the European Union in the wake of the migrant crisis engulfing the continent, a shock new Mail on Sunday poll has found.

If a referendum were to be held tomorrow on whether to remain a member of the EU, 51 per cent of British people would vote ‘No’.


Britain wants to quit Europe: Shock new poll shows EU 'no' camp ahead for the first time as Cameron prepares to face down Tory rebels  | Daily Mail Online



Smart move to leave....just like we would be smart to leave the UN.....before obama sells our souls to the devil!
 
This is the Daily Heil! Leaving Europe has been their wet dream since we joined.
 
joG said:
In Germany the estimates go apart, but they require well over an average of 200.000 immigrants indefinitely per annum to maintain the size of the population i.e. labor force.
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How many does Japan need? They don't import any foolishly and they're doing relatively fine.

We are constantly hearing conservatives rejoice that automation is going to kill a lot of unskilled jobs and the end of labor unions and hippie scum demanding 20$ an hour for flipping burgers is nearby. Hurrah! Now all of a sudden we need 200.000 immigrants? Most of which are lowly educated and past the age for educating. The most we can hope for is they will properly speak the language soon enough. Anyone here speak German?

Employers in Germany are rejoicing though. It provides them an opportunity to drive down wages and limit wage growth. This is the very same reason neither democrats nor republicans are actually NEVER going to do something about Mexicans and others immigrating illegally.
 
Natan said:
How many does Japan need? They don't import any foolishly and they're doing relatively fine.

We are constantly hearing conservatives rejoice that automation is going to kill a lot of unskilled jobs and the end of labor unions and hippie scum demanding 20$ an hour for flipping burgers is nearby. Hurrah! Now all of a sudden we need 200.000 immigrants? Most of which are lowly educated and past the age for educating. The most we can hope for is they will properly speak the language soon enough. Anyone here speak German?

Employers in Germany are rejoicing though. It provides them an opportunity to drive down wages and limit wage growth. This is the very same reason neither democrats nor republicans are actually NEVER going to do something about Mexicans and others immigrating illegally.
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The question in many cases is, whether you want the tablet to be designed in built in China or in Gelsenkirchen, I guess.
 
Firstly Germany has the lowest unemployment in 20 years. Secondly not all those fleeing war are unskilled, on the contrary those with money are a lot more likely to get out. Jordan for example has developed enormously due an influx of skilled professionals from Iraq.

Lastly due to Germany´s ageing population and falling birthrate, they will be needing a greater workforce in the coming decades, we may well look back on whats happening as not just a horrific wate of life but as a missed opportunity to avert a demograpgic crisis.
 
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Germany temporarily suspends Schengen. Please correct this thread's title to Europe's open border policy IS ending.
 
Why? They're TEMPORARILY closing the border until they review the welcome processes to manage the higher than expected flow. Then it'll be business as usual.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Why? They're TEMPORARILY closing the border until they review the welcome processes to manage the higher than expected flow. Then it'll be business as usual.
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Of course it's temporary. The flood of refugees is temporary. The point is that when push came to shove it was impractical and dangerous to keep the borders open. If and when the borders open again the refugee crisis will have resolved itself.

The flood of immigrants from the South has overwhelmed the system and has created an emergency. Europeans are acting accordingly.
 
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