Eurobonds

[Novalis]

I think we got a little off-topic.
In any case, the Italians are very exhausting / annoying with their financial policy.

 

[Novalis]

I think I got a racial profiling reprimand.
I'm innocent, that was DeepL > DeepL Ubersetzer

I find it much too tiring to type so much in English, I pull this through the full text translator, who does it better than I do. Probably I have to pay attention to how he translates Africans and some other words.
There are some subtleties and details in the language. You have to know that translated into German nigger means > Neger. Whereby Neger is not heard in German with pleasure, but in German it is no gross racist insult.

 

[Novalis]

If I may be so bold as to say so. I don't like English very much. German is a language of poets and thinkers, English is the language of croaky rock music. Ordinary, like squishy fastfoot.
The people in Germany speak English only in passing. My siblings, my brother is a government official, needs it professionally, as well as another brother who works in an industrial company and looks after international customers. Otherwise nobody would have the idea to speak such a thing. As a lazy genius and long-term unemployed person I only speak school English at best. Although I have a few thousand vocabulary words, deepL is clearly superior to me in sentence formation. But that's not so tragic. The people from 100 countries who live here have to learn German.

 

[Snazzy]

^ What on Earth are you rambling on about?

This is one hell of a bizarre thread.

 

[Chagos]

^ What on Earth are you rambling on about?

This is one hell of a bizarre thread.

and that is one helluva true statement.

 

[Novalis]

^ What on Earth are you rambling on about?

This is one hell of a bizarre thread.

I think the moderator had given me a warning for using racist words. Couldn't decipher exactly what the reprimand was for. (I am definitely innocent.)

What do you want to discuss?

 

[Novalis]

and that is one helluva true statement.

They did not understand National Socialism either, so I am not surprised.

National Socialism was not an evolution, it was a revolution. In the interaction of citizens with their state. You can assume that such a symbiosis leads to enormous development and progress. In a sense, that was far ahead of what we might have centuries from now.

With the USA as the leading nation the world is still crawling in the mud a little bit. With a primitive individualism and a perverse militarism and a destructive understanding of humanity.
And with, for example, 50,000 rabies deaths a year alone and just the whole disaster surrounding us.
That's what happens when incompetent people win wars just because they're so fat and bloated.

 

[Tigerace117]

I think the moderator had given me a warning for using racist words. Couldn't decipher exactly what the reprimand was for. (I am definitely innocent.)

What do you want to discuss?

You definitely aren’t innocent....you literally used a racial slur.

 

[Tigerace117]

They did not understand National Socialism either, so I am not surprised.

National Socialism was not an evolution, it was a revolution. In the interaction of citizens with their state. You can assume that such a symbiosis leads to enormous development and progress. In a sense, that was far ahead of what we might have centuries from now.

With the USA as the leading nation the world is still crawling in the mud a little bit. With a primitive individualism and a perverse militarism and a destructive understanding of humanity.
And with, for example, 50,000 rabies deaths a year alone and just the whole disaster surrounding us.
That's what happens when incompetent people win wars just because they're so fat and bloated.

Hermann Goering ring any bells Nazi fanboy?

The irony of a Nazi crying about militarism and “destructiveness” is too funny.

 

[Chagos]

They did not understand National Socialism ...............................~

No amount of trying to change the subject can deflect from:

Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

In here or outside of here.

 

[Evilroddy]

and:



Well worth watching.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Novalis]

Well worth watching.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

These are fine words, in the videos, but many things can be refuted. Let us look at the vaunted democracy.
Let us say, for example, that there are a hundred important issues that move the citizens and on which they have a clear opinion. In our democracy in Germany, which the USA has imposed on us, the citizens cannot decide how to deal with the hundred topics, with democratic votes. There are the parties and you can choose one party. You can make one cross every 4 years. But it is so, with most citizens, the agreement with the parties regarding the opinions and views is not 100%. Perhaps 50%, i.e. on 50 out of 100 issues, you find the path you have chosen the right one. When you make your cross, you neutralize your own opinion. Because you also tick 50%, or maybe only 30%, of what you actually want to do differently. It's a big scam. Because it allows governments to rule against the real democratic majority. Chancellor Merkel, for example, opened the borders to a mass influx of asylum seekers in 2015 against the will of the majority of the population.The topic is also important to many citizens and the majority has a different opinion than Merkel. Nevertheless, she could win the election again in 2017.
The voters are facing a major dilemma. The voters neutralize each other and politics has a very large freedom of action, far away from a real democracy. Every 4 years a cross for parties that do not differ in many issues. In Germany one already speaks of block parties. So everything is a soup with minimal nuances. No wonder that the two largest parties have long since formed a coalition for the government. In addition then still comes, I already criticized that here in the forum. That the citizens are massively manipulated unilaterally by the mass media. And for this huge sums of money are forcibly collected from the citizens to pay for it. This propaganda manipulates democracy, at least in Germany, so massively that the whole event democracy has developed into a farce.

 

[Novalis]

National Socialism as ideology compared to technology, was like the first car from Carl Benz. We see better cars today. In the future, we will see ideologies shaped by National Socialist ideals that have been further developed. Otherwise, we will see a world of misery and injustice, a world incapable of action. As it is today and as we owe it to the USA. I could imagine a better world, without overpopulation, without poverty, without disease and infirmity. And without such a big difference between rich and poor.

 

[Chagos]

These are fine words, in the videos, but many things can be refuted...................~

what cannot be refuted is that;-------------->Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

In here or outside of here.

 

[Chagos]

~......................... In the future, we will see ideologies shaped by National Socialist ideals that have been further developed. ....................~

if that is the future you are banking on, you don't have one.

because Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

In here or outside of here.

And as such serves as a foundation for nuffin.

 

[Novalis]

what cannot be refuted is that;-------------->Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

In here or outside of here.

Are you an American Orthodox Jew?

 

[Tigerace117]

Are you an American Orthodox Jew?

Most decent human beings despise Nazis bud.

 

[Chagos]

Are you an American Orthodox Jew?

whether or not, it has nothing to do with the fact that Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

In here or outside of here.

 

[Evilroddy]

These are fine words, in the videos, but many things can be refuted. Let us look at the vaunted democracy.

Edited for word count.

Novalis:

Democracy has its warts and blemishes but has one absolutely critical saving grace. It is self-correcting in the event the electorate makes mistakes and elects the wrong people to lead a society. National Socialism and its parallel movements (Fascists and the Falange) do not allow people to correct their mistakes peaceably if the leadership proves to be dangerous or incompetent. When these fascist ideologies got into power they immediately moved to remove any ability of the people to remove them from power, through either legislation/decree (Enabling Acts) or by force of violence.

In order to maintain their holds on their now captive populations these fascist regimes employed powerful propaganda machines in order to skew the perceptions of their captive populations and to create enemies and emergencies in order to justify their growing totalitarian regimes. The propaganda was pervasive and unrelenting. These regimes created national projects and sold them to their captive populaces as national destinies which had to be fulfilled at all costs. Be it recreating the power of Ancient Rome or lebensraum for the German "race" at the expense of Slavs or the forced unification and brutal rationalisation of the Iberian Peninsula, the great work had to absorb everybody's efforts and focus. The creation of national myths and cults of personality which were used to justify the violence and sacrifice for these ersatz-national destinies required brainwashing the population on an unprecedented scale. Thus no school, no scholar, no individual and no institution could question the Great Work or the ersatz-national destiny upon which the Great Work was built.

But that control was not enough. There was still the contrarian dimension of human nature to contend with. Thus the fascist states sold fear and hate to further muzzle dissent or criticism. Both internal and external enemies were created and used to create new paranoid myths to falsely threaten the fascist state and to therefore justify a completely totalitarian state where no one could question the regime's policies without severe and often lethal punishment. Courts and due process were inconvenient because they could be used as soapboxes upon which dissent was expressed publicly, so these regimes developed extrajudicial means of silencing any challenges to the regime's absolute power. Paramilitary bands, secret police, internal security apparatuses and the wide-spread mobilisation of the entire population to weed out dissent and to compete in publicly demonstrating conformity to the ideals and faux-national destiny of the regime were demanded by the regime. Every citizen could be part of this great national destiny (unless they died fulfilling it) for the low, low cost of surrendering their individual conscience and aspirations to those of the regime.

The Great Work and the ersatz-national destiny required violence to achieve so these regimes celebrated violence against their own, "the other" and the foreign rival. This enthusiastic acceptance of violence led to rampant militarism. Finally the militarism led to the destruction of two-thirds of the major fascist states in Europe. Why? Because the people these populations ceded their democratic power to were idiots who drove their nations and their peoples to destruction through war in attempting to realise these ersatz-destinies and Great Works.

Now the truly bitter irony of this tragic history is fascist movements are born out of democracy when the democracy goes wrong and people start buying into the lies and delusions of political snake-oil salesmen and women (must give Mme. Lepen her shout out) who sell fascism as a cure-all for what ails a society. The society buys the myths and lies, collectively drinks the fulfilling poison, suffers the excruciation of totalitarian spasms and soon perishes in wars it starts but cannot win.

So I'd rather get 30-50% of the problems solved in a muddling sort of way than lose 100% of what is good about living in a society that attempts to be just, is ruled by law and is as free as possible for its citizens to realise their own dreams and life goals.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Novalis]

Edited for word count.

Novalis:

Democracy has its warts and blemishes but has one absolutely critical saving grace. It is self-correcting in the event the electorate makes mistakes and elects the wrong people to lead a society. National Socialism and its parallel movements (Fascists and the Falange) do not allow people to correct their mistakes peaceably if the leadership proves to be dangerous or incompetent. When these fascist ideologies got into power they immediately moved to remove any ability of the people to remove them from power, through either legislation/decree (Enabling Acts) or by force of violence.

In order to maintain their holds on their now captive populations these fascist regimes employed powerful propaganda machines in order to skew the perceptions of their captive populations and to create enemies and emergencies in order to justify their growing totalitarian regimes. The propaganda was pervasive and unrelenting. These regimes created national projects and sold them to their captive populaces as national destinies which had to be fulfilled at all costs. Be it recreating the power of Ancient Rome or lebensraum for the German "race" at the expense of Slavs or the forced unification and brutal rationalisation of the Iberian Peninsula, the great work had to absorb everybody's efforts and focus. The creation of national myths and cults of personality which were used to justify the violence and sacrifice for these ersatz-national destinies required brainwashing the population on an unprecedented scale. Thus no school, no scholar, no individual and no institution could question the Great Work or the ersatz-national destiny upon which the Great Work was built.

But that control was not enough. There was still the contrarian dimension of human nature to contend with. Thus the fascist states sold fear and hate to further muzzle dissent or criticism. Both internal and external enemies were created and used to create new paranoid myths to falsely threaten the fascist state and to therefore justify a completely totalitarian state where no one could question the regime's policies without severe and often lethal punishment. Courts and due process were inconvenient because they could be used as soapboxes upon which dissent was expressed publicly, so these regimes developed extrajudicial means of silencing any challenges to the regime's absolute power. Paramilitary bands, secret police, internal security apparatuses and the wide-spread mobilisation of the entire population to weed out dissent and to compete in publicly demonstrating conformity to the ideals and faux-national destiny of the regime were demanded by the regime. Every citizen could be part of this great national destiny (unless they died fulfilling it) for the low, low cost of surrendering their individual conscience and aspirations to those of the regime.

The Great Work and the ersatz-national destiny required violence to achieve so these regimes celebrated violence against their own, "the other" and the foreign rival. This enthusiastic acceptance of violence led to rampant militarism. Finally the militarism led to the destruction of two-thirds of the major fascist states in Europe. Why? Because the people these populations ceded their democratic power to were idiots who drove their nations and their peoples to destruction through war in attempting to realise these ersatz-destinies and Great Works.....

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

I see what you mean. The criticism is quite justified. But the introduction of the euro in Germany, for example, is a prime example of total contempt for all democratic principles.
From the very beginning you have lied and cheated the citizens and promised them paradise. Today we are in the sh*t with the €uro. Comparable to Hitler in the Russia war sh*t. Of course, in a referendum the majority would not have supported attacking the Soviet Union. Just as the majority did not want the euro.
They did not ask us, it is dictatorship, just under other flags. The Swedes and the Danes, they were allowed to vote. They betrayed us and sacrificed us. Here is a massive manipulation of the population by mass media. Today it's much more mature and comprehensive than Goebbels could or wanted back then.

 

[Evilroddy]

I see what you mean. The criticism is quite justified. But the introduction of the euro in Germany, for example, is a prime example of total contempt for all democratic principles.
From the very beginning you have lied and cheated the citizens and promised them paradise. Today we are in the sh*t with the €uro. Comparable to Hitler in the Russia war sh*t. Of course, in a referendum the majority would not have supported attacking the Soviet Union. Just as the majority did not want the euro.
They did not ask us, it is dictatorship, just under other flags. The Swedes and the Danes, they were allowed to vote. They betrayed us and sacrificed us. Here is a massive manipulation of the population by mass media. Today it's much more mature and comprehensive than Goebbels could or wanted back then.

Novalis:

There is manipulation going on in any democratic state. The key is to not buy into it by using your critical acumen and reason to sort out lie and deception from truth. That propaganda does not preclude a population from democratically throwing out the leadership and turning a state in a new (or old) direction if the people so will it. Britain (for all the wrong reasons in my opinion) just showed you that such drastic reversals and course corrections are possible by democratic means even if they are difficult. You don't need National Socialism to do such things. You just have to work hard, organise and persuade your fellow voters to risk taking a new road in a new direction and to hold onto their resolve during the course change. I think Germany or at least German elites have greatly benefited from the Euro which has given Germany far more political and economic leverage than it would have otherwise had in Europe. If you do not agree then change things through persuasion, coallition building and by peaceable democratic means.

Ideologies like National Socialism destroy states and enslave the population, they don't save states or fulfill the people. Democracy, with all its limitations does, in the long run. If you want to change things, get involved rather than copping out with sacred music and long walks by the river. Democracy works for those who turn up to make democracy work. If you want to live in a hive-society where your every move, human connection and thought is monitored, where race rather than your self-worth is the measure of your value to society, where iron will, rule by the few and violence against the many are extolled as virtues and where you are puppets for propagandists to forcefully sell you ersatz-national destinies, great works, violence against all dissent, militarism and another Gotterdammerung of the German state, then continue to cleave to the bosom of the National Socialist pipe-dream and meet another Ragnarok from both East and West which will cost both friends and foes millions of deaths and ruination on an unprecedented scale.

One more point. In a National Socialist Germany you as an unemployed person would be conscripted into the military or forced to serve in labour batallions or failing that you would be liquidated as a burden on the state. So you may very well be wishing for your own destruction by carrying the bloody and torn banner of National Socialism into the future of Germany. Power attracts the worst kind of people and with National Socialism you cannot get rid of them peaceably. With democracy you can peaceably toss such human scum to the curb when they have exposed their true colours and ugly faces.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Novalis]

Yes, well, they misjudge National Socialism a bit. This was not a dictatorship. It was a movement that arose from and was supported by the population. The ugly aspects of National Socialism are only on the periphery and not a central component of people's thinking and emotions. You can say, the mass of people, they were very decent and disciplined people. Who educated and cultivated the greatest virtues. Not in egoism, but for their fellow men and with each other. In this "communion" in a collective effort for progress and improvement, on all levels, the exclusion of the Jews or even Gypsies, must also be considered.
The National Socialists were very radical and consistent. They forcibly sterilized the mentally handicapped hundreds of thousands of times. The further murder of tens of thousands was related to the war. It was said that in the people's fight for survival the sacrifice had to be made. It could not be that the healthy die at the front and the degenerates expand. It would refer to the enormous consumption of resources that cannot be achieved. This thing is as brutal as the war but rational. You must remember, Hitler and his generation were shaped by war. What was before Hitler was already a mass destruction of life. For the Fatherland. Not for the Germans, for any country. The French, the English and the Russians, too, drove millions to their death. There is no justification for humanitarian values today.
The Nazis didn't consider the Jews to be integrable. In the communal spirit of progress and improvement I have described, at all levels.
It was not in itself the will to murder the Jews. They wanted the Jews out. That is why the Jews could leave the country until the war. They wanted them out. You can't see the Holocaust without World War II. Without the war, there would have been no Holocaust. The war was a decisive battle for the new world order. Why the Jews were not seen as integrable, I don't want to answer that question here. First of all, you have to understand National Socialism at its core to understand the answer why the Jews could not be integrated.

 

[Novalis]

It's not that simple. They fought and they lost. It was a tremendous fight, they attacked powerful opponents. You didn't go easy on yourself. You, the enemy, do not nurture the ideals of the enemy you destroyed. They try to belittle him. In doing so, they themselves have exterminated their natives (the Indians) and treated even their minorities hardly better than Germans treated the Jews. They say that they have reformed themselves. Of course, the National Socialism would have reformed itself, too. Maybe there would be another Africa today, where under German guidance strict 1 child politics would prevail, like in China. And much more progress and prosperity.
The Americans are complacent in their victory. But the world is a ****hole full of problems.

Look at China under totalitarian rule. The country is superior to them. The efforts there are enormous and successful and have nothing to do with the social system they propagate.

I claim and not without reason that National Socialism is superior to the US system.
The community spirit, the ideals, the collective morals and efforts for progress and prosperity.
But that does not mean that I am a National Socialist.
For me it is a little difficult to discuss in English. In German I write with a sharp pen, they would run out of arguments.

 

[Ikawama]

Do you realize that denial or trivialization of the Holocaust is a crime not only in Germany? It's thin ice here.

Hitler didn't want to get rid of the Jews, he wanted to exterminate them. The forced sterilization of handicapped people was quickly replaced by the program for the extermination of unworthy lives. Eugenics does not originate in rational thinking, but is the construct of a sick mind. The true intentions could be obscured by the war.

It is so simple that it is always others or refugees who are to blame for one's own situation. Instead of developing such crude theories and justifications about National Socialism and waiting for the "Führer" to come, you'd better do something decent.

And like Chagos said:

Nazi filth remains Nazi filth and leaves no doubt over the despicable character of anyone spreading it.

 

[Novalis]

Do you realize that denial or trivialization of the Holocaust is a crime not only in Germany? It's thin ice here.

Hitler didn't want to get rid of the Jews, he wanted to exterminate them. The forced sterilization of handicapped people was quickly replaced by the program for the extermination of unworthy lives. Eugenics does not originate in rational thinking, but is the construct of a sick mind. The true intentions could be obscured by the war.

It is so simple that it is always others or refugees who are to blame for one's own situation. Instead of developing such crude theories and justifications about National Socialism and waiting for the "Führer" to come, you'd better do something decent.

And like Chagos said:

I am not interested in trivialising mass murder, just in taking a sober stock of the past.
The murder of disabled people was stopped due to inner-German protest by the Bishop of Münster. Furthermore, I do not expect a leader.
Before you threaten Germans with anything
they'd rather deal with their own genocides.
In contrast to Germany to the Jews, they have not paid a single cent in reparations to the Vietnamese. They should better forbid to beat other peoples to death and then not pay compensation. than to patronize other countries.
Do they have other problems?