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GySgt said:Well, really, know one should be surprised about this. Europe is merely doing what they have always done - appeasing. What else has to happen before the European public and it’s political leadership get it? At least they are consistent.
For Europeans, especially, Jewish lives count no more today than they did in 1944. Europe's reflexive anti-Semitism doesn't really matter much, since today's Europeans lack the power, will and courage to act upon their bigotry. Why are Palestinian terrorists allowed to target civilians without exciting an international outcry, while every accidental civilian death inflicted by Israel is a crime against humanity? I wonder how many suicide bombers and weaponry against Israel 143 million dollars will buy? I eagerly await the "Global Left's" cries of silence in the upcoming violence.
I'm sure they will desperately lunge at any aspect to blame America.
GySgt said:For Europeans, especially, Jewish lives count no more today than they did in 1944. Europe's reflexive anti-Semitism doesn't really matter much, since today's Europeans lack the power, will and courage to act upon their bigotry. Why are Palestinian terrorists allowed to target civilians without exciting an international outcry, while every accidental civilian death inflicted by Israel is a crime against humanity?
GySgt said:For Europeans, especially, Jewish lives count no more today than they did in 1944. Europe's reflexive anti-Semitism doesn't really matter much, since .
Red_Dave said:Im just curious as to where you get the idea europeans are so anti-semitic. Ive never heard any anti-semitic sentiments expressed by any european aside from the odd random documentary on polish neo-nazis. The europeans obviously did care about those suffering under nazi germany as they declared war on them long before the americans did.
Wrong...Red_Dave said:Im just curious as to where you get the idea europeans are so anti-semitic. Ive never heard any anti-semitic sentiments expressed by any european aside from the odd random documentary on polish neo-nazis. The europeans obviously did care about those suffering under nazi germany as they declared war on them long before the americans did.
ludahai said:I have seen several polls from Western European countries especially France where they regard Israel as the greatest threat to world security.
I note you are in Britain. To its credit, I have never seen such a poll from Britain.
GarzaUK said:I was awaiting until gunny came up with this Europe appeasing crap. Ignoring the appeasement done by America most of it's history. But gunny's way of doing things is failing, you just have to look at Iraq and the long lines of sucide bombers waiting for their chance to enter paradise. Europe gets it, America is starting to get it no (thank god). Just coz America has the biggest hammer, doesn't make every problem a nail gunny.
Thanks to this attempt to purge the ME (the failing civilisation as you like to put it), terrorism is more likely. Iran is getting a nuke. All in all America is making things worse there.
Okay gunny. This is the most unintelligent thing you have ever said And has made me a little pissed off. You calling me anti-semitic now?? Is that it?? I hate jews? All Europeans hate jews that's what your saying right?? That offends me to no ends. I have lost a ton of respect for you gunny.
Europe (mostly) is anti-zionist, I am anti-zionist and I know jews who are anti-zionist.
Israel and Palestine have both done terrible things. Forgive us for raising the standard for Israel, we feel Israel as a democratic state should act better than suicide bombers from a non-existant country.
Tell me did 100% of the Palestinians vote for Hamas did they?? Good success rate if they did. What about the ones that didn't vote for them?? Make them starve??
Hyprocrisy gunny, pure and utter hyprocrisy. How many terrible regimes that America's has aided with money?? Regimes that weren't even elected. High up in you pedastal their gunny???
Red_Dave said:How come fearing iran is a threat to international secuirty due to its government policy any different to fearing Isreal is a threat to international security due to its governments policy?
Red_Dave said:Well being opossed to Isreali state policy does not consitute anti-semitism. Alot of people think Iran is the greatest threat to world security but thats not out of any predudice towards iranians thats because in theory they have a slightly unhinged leader with a nuke. How come fearing iran is a threat to international secuirty due to its government policy any different to fearing Isreal is a threat to international security due to its governments policy?
>i second the point in Gazas post btw
GarzaUK said:Tell me did 100% of the Palestinians vote for Hamas did they?? Good success rate if they did. What about the ones that didn't vote for them?? Make them starve??
Nero said:ah yeah, thats the beutiful thing about democracy, the minority agrees to live with the decisions of the majority. Hmmm... yeah Nazi-Germany just atacked the Britain, but no we won't fight back becuase not 100% of germany was for the atack... yeah we will just let them keep killing becuase some of there soldiers didn't want the war to begin with...
ludahai said:However, to say that Israel is the GREATEST threat to global security combined with other anti-Semitic tendencies in some European countries would give one that impression.
Sharon was unhinged? He has done more for the peace process since Carter-Begin-Sadat! What is the reward? The Palestinians elect a party devoted to ISrael's destruction! Who is unhinged?
war will never defeat terrorism, it never has.
poverty + feeling of injustice + anger + nationalism = terrorism
Europe "appeasement" has probably more to do with the rise of Eurabia and their very large flux of Arab/African immigrants coming into western European countries than just bending over backward to appease an enemy.
yeah, osama-bin-laden is really poor, just a multimilionare... nothing special.
Red_Dave said:No i said the leader of iran was unhinged. I dont think isreal is the greatest threat to international security, that would be america. However there are plenty of reasonable arguments for isreal being a threat to international security as its Isreali tyranny thats driveing alot of the terroism in the world. I dont think the terroists are justified in blowing up inocent people but what is motivating them is our support for opressive regimes.
I dont understand my so many people portray Sharon as some wonderful peacemaker. You talking about someone who bulldozes peoples houses, allows peaceful demonstators to be shot en masse, and built a large wall around peoples homes. People make all this fuss about the palestinains electing terroists when the Isrealis have elected someone argueably just as bad.
You need to find a better example, I guess, because these were anti-colonial guerilla fighters, not terrorists.Nero said:not even remotly true look for example at the british counter-isurgency in :
Malayan Emergency - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency
Iran, international terrorism, China, European appeasment among others are the greatest threats to global security
GarzaUK said:Thanks to this attempt to purge the ME (the failing civilisation as you like to put it), terrorism is more likely. Iran is getting a nuke. All in all America is making things worse there.
GarzaUK said:Okay gunny. This is the most unintelligent thing you have ever said And has made me a little pissed off. You calling me anti-semitic now?? Is that it?? I hate jews? All Europeans hate jews that's what your saying right?? That offends me to no ends. I have lost a ton of respect for you gunny.
Europe (mostly) is anti-zionist, I am anti-zionist and I know jews who are anti-zionist.
Israel and Palestine have both done terrible things. Forgive us for raising the standard for Israel, we feel Israel as a democratic state should act better than suicide bombers from a non-existant country.
GarzaUK said:Tell me did 100% of the Palestinians vote for Hamas did they?? Good success rate if they did. What about the ones that didn't vote for them?? Make them starve??
GarzaUK said:Hyprocrisy gunny, pure and utter hyprocrisy. How many terrible regimes that America's has aided with money?? Regimes that weren't even elected. High up in you pedastal their gunny???
i am sorry but i have to dispute this statementThere is an overwhelming sentiment of anti-semitism there.
Red_Dave said:Im just curious as to where you get the idea europeans are so anti-semitic. Ive never heard any anti-semitic sentiments expressed by any european aside from the odd random documentary on polish neo-nazis. The europeans obviously did care about those suffering under nazi germany as they declared war on them long before the americans did.
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