Esquire Article on Birther Orly Taitz

[PogueMoran]

I didn't know exactly where to post this so here's the article.

Obama Birth Certificate Update - Latest on Obama Birth Certificate - Esquire

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Some key quotes

Goldman Sachs runs the treasury.

Obama is a puppet.

There's a cemetery somewhere in Arizona where they just dug 30,000 fresh graves, which wait now for the revolution.

Baxter International — a major Obama contributor — developed a vaccine for bird flu that actually kills people.

Google Congressman Alcee Hastings and House Bill 684 and you'll see that they're planning at least six civilian labor camps.

Google an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about train cars with shackles.

The communist dictator Hugo Chavez way back in 2004 purchased the Sequoia software that runs our voting machines and the mainstream media won't report any of it — not even Fox because Saudi Arabia bought a percentage of Fox in 2007.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Didn't the left or some on the left make similar claims about Bush?

 

[PogueMoran]

Didn't the left or some on the left make similar claims about Bush?

Anyone prominent? How many of those theorists ended up on TV? Taitz has quite a bit of support and a large amount is from republicans and the south. Taitz only hurts the cause she's trying to promote with her brand of crazy

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Who? :lol:

 

[sam_w]

Didn't the left or some on the left make similar claims about Bush?

Point is that a very high percentage of Republicans in the South believe in this junk.

So the response is the whole "Well Democrats believed in that one poll that Bush knew beforehand about 9/11?". Well, not exactly. You see as the question was framed, and poorly worded, it was in fact accurate. Democrats were asked was Bush prior to 9/11 warned. Well let's see, was he warned? Thinking....thinking...thinking....

Oh that's right, the August NSC briefing that told him that al-Qaeda was planning to hijack planes to fly them into buildings. So, was Bush warned? Yes. So could a Democrat thus conclude that Bush had prior warning? Yes. So should they have answered that Bush had prior warning? Well there is a yes again.

The Rasmussan poll was flawed in many ways, and is not the one you want to use to try and compare apples and oranges of lunacy.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Point is that a very high percentage of Republicans in the South believe in this junk.

I would like evidence of this. Do you have any or is my request in vain?

So the response is the whole "Well Democrats beleived in that one poll that Bush knew beforehand about 9/11?". Well, not exactly. You see as the question was framed, and poorly worded, it was in fact accurate. Democrats were asked was Bush prior to 9/11 warned. Well let's see, was he warned? Thinking....thinking...thinking....

Oh that's right, the August NSC briefing that told him that al-Qaeda was planning to hijack planes to fly them into buildings. So, was Bush warned? Yes. So could a Democrat thus conclude that Bush had prior warning? Yes. So should they have answered that Bush had prior warning? Well there is a yes again.

This is just rambling. :lol:

 

[celticlord]

Ok...so a liberal started a "birther" thread.....

Yeah, that's the way to put an end to the madness....:roll:

 

[PogueMoran]

Ok...so a liberal started a "birther" thread.....

Yeah, that's the way to put an end to the madness....:roll:

That would be accurate if I was a liberal nice try painting everyone who disagrees with you with the same broad stroke

 

[celticlord]

That would be accurate if I was a liberal nice try painting everyone who disagrees with you with the same broad stroke

Intriguing that you didn't argue the point about starting a birther thread. So why are you keeping this little bit of lunacy alive?

 

[PogueMoran]

Intriguing that you didn't argue the point about starting a birther thread. So why are you keeping this little bit of lunacy alive?

Did you read the article? It was an interview about Orly Taitz. I didn't say I didn't start the thread I just said that not just liberals or conservatives start birther threads.

I posted this in the weird news section for a reason. The article had more to do with her other theories and not entirely about the birther part. This was about stuff people didn't know about her

 

[celticlord]

Did you read the article?

No I didn't read the article. I don't need an Esquire article to tell me she's a dumb blonde who banged her head on the dashboard several times too many. That's common knowledge.

Now, you do realize you failed to answer my question, don't you? Why are you sustaining this birther nonsense?

 

[Coronado]

Point is that a very high percentage of Republicans in the South believe in this junk.

That's pretty much bull****. I would challenge you to prove otherwise, but I know that's a vain request.

 

[sam_w]

I would like evidence of this. Do you have any or is my request in vain?

58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US

A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn't born in the US (28 percent) or aren't sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

That means a majority of Republicans polled either don't know about -- or don't believe the seemingly incontrovertible evidence Obama's camp has presented over and over and over that he was born in Hawaii in '61.

It also explains why Republicans, including Roy Blunt, are playing footsie with the Birther fringe.

Surprise, surprise: Birther sentiment was strongest in the South and among the 60-plus crowd - presumably because seniors can't log on to the Internet and rely on rumor, word of mouth and right-wing talk radio.

When do we start a serious dialog about the Birther movement being a proxy for racism that is unacceptable to articulate in more direct terms?

In all 77 percent of Americans overall think the president is actually an American.

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

Yes 77
No 11
Not sure 12

How do those numbers break down?

Yes No Not sure
Dem 93 4 3
Rep 42 28 30
Ind 83 8 9

Northeast 93 4 3
South 47 23 30
Midwest 90 6 4
West 87 7 6

18-29 88 4 8
30-44 72 14 14
45-59 82 8 10
60+ 69 17 14

This is just rambling. :lol:

The actual question: "Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks in advance?"

When it is widely reported from the 9/11 commission, Condi Rice herself testifying, Richard Clarke as well (also writing in two books), that they were warned in August of 2001 that "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S".

Would you like to read the August 6th PDB titled [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US"]Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S[/ame]?

 

[UtahBill]

I didn't know exactly where to post this so here's the article.

Obama Birth Certificate Update - Latest on Obama Birth Certificate - Esquire

Discuss:

Some key quotes

I blame the administrations that failed to properly fund insane asylums. We need to provide a safe place for our nuts to live, and keep them off the streets and away from the internet....

 

[sam_w]

That's pretty much bull****. I would challenge you to prove otherwise, but I know that's a vain request.

58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US

Yes No Not sure
Dem 93 4 3
Rep 42 28 30
Ind 83 8 9

Northeast 93 4 3
South 47 23 30
Midwest 90 6 4
West 87 7 6

18-29 88 4 8
30-44 72 14 14
45-59 82 8 10
60+ 69 17 14

Compare the South to the Northeast, or West.... or you get the picture. Sorry, but the White Southerner is an ignorant fool who just happens to be a member of which party now?

 

[Coronado]

58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US


Compare the South to the Northeast, or West.... or you get the picture. Sorry, but the White Southerner is an ignorant fool who just happens to be a member of which party now?

You're using numbers from the Daily Kos?

Yeah. Fail.

 

[sam_w]

You're using numbers from the Daily Kos?

Yeah. Fail.

So refute it with evidence, otherwise you have now succedded in ...

EPIC FAIL​

The only "bull****" here is coming from you. Sorry, you get a F for today.

 

[Coronado]

So refute it with evidence, otherwise you have now succedded in ...

EPIC FAIL​

The only "bull****" here is coming from you. Sorry, you get a F for today.

Take your own advice, junior.

 

[Redress]

Didn't the left or some on the left make similar claims about Bush?

You know, at least the Rev is consistent. Article about righties, and first thing he says is "hey, didn't some one else do it", as if that makes it ok.

 

[UtahBill]

You know, at least the Rev is consistent. Article about righties, and first thing he says is "hey, didn't some one else do it", as if that makes it ok.

almost as bad as "everybody does it".....
my kids found out soon enough that I don't buy that excuse. It is lame, and not true...

 

[RightinNYC]

Point is that a very high percentage of Republicans in the South believe in this junk.

So the response is the whole "Well Democrats believed in that one poll that Bush knew beforehand about 9/11?". Well, not exactly. You see as the question was framed, and poorly worded, it was in fact accurate. Democrats were asked was Bush prior to 9/11 warned. Well let's see, was he warned? Thinking....thinking...thinking....

Oh that's right, the August NSC briefing that told him that al-Qaeda was planning to hijack planes to fly them into buildings. So, was Bush warned? Yes. So could a Democrat thus conclude that Bush had prior warning? Yes. So should they have answered that Bush had prior warning? Well there is a yes again.

The Rasmussan poll was flawed in many ways, and is not the one you want to use to try and compare apples and oranges of lunacy.

58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US

This is ****ing hilarious.

You dismiss a poll done by a real polling company because you think the question was biased. You then try to prove your other point by citing a poll commissioned by daily kos which is equally, if not more, slanted.

This is of course after you express shock and disbelief that someone as prominent in Republican circles as [some crazy bitch who is neither an elected official nor anyone of import] is spreading conspiracy theories, despite the fact that mainstream democrats have long espoused ridiculous ****ing theories about Bush.

Michael Moore made a goddamn movie accusing Bush of complicity in 9/11. Was he reviled and shunned by the left for being a crazy conspiracy theorist? No, he was invited to the ****ing democratic convention by a former Democratic president.

You're reminding me more and more of Champs every day.

 

[sam_w]

This is ****ing hilarious.

You dismiss a poll done by a real polling company because you think the question was biased. You then try to prove your other point by citing a poll commissioned by daily kos which is equally, if not more, slanted.

This is of course after you express shock and disbelief that someone as prominent in Republican circles as [some crazy bitch who is neither an elected official nor anyone of import] is spreading conspiracy theories, despite the fact that mainstream democrats have long espoused ridiculous ****ing theories about Bush.

Michael Moore made a goddamn movie accusing Bush of complicity in 9/11. Was he reviled and shunned by the left for being a crazy conspiracy theorist? No, he was invited to the ****ing democratic convention by a former Democratic president.

You're reminding me more and more of Champs every day.

Well, obviously you can not "****ing" read (yes, I am quoting you on that!). How hard is it really to figure out the first? Do you special help on this? Is there maybe someone who can read it to you, or explain that the question was flawed? Did I dismiss the Rasmussen results? Hint..it is all on how you frame the question. Maybe give it a try and re-read the question, then look at the widely discussed Aug. 6th PDB. Getting it now? Need time to think this through? I know it must be a real difficult one to crunch through a thick skull.

If you do not care for Results 2000, either come up with factual reason to dispute, or admit your party is a bunch of ignorant hicks and racists. Still can't accept Results 2000, then go to Public Policy Polling who found almost the same results in North Carolina.

 

[PogueMoran]

No I didn't read the article. I don't need an Esquire article to tell me she's a dumb blonde who banged her head on the dashboard several times too many. That's common knowledge.

Now, you do realize you failed to answer my question, don't you? Why are you sustaining this birther nonsense?

Again the article was about the person not about the birther nonsense. So your original comment about liberals sustaining the birthers was incorrect. You implied I was a liberal.

 

[PogueMoran]

This is ****ing hilarious.

You dismiss a poll done by a real polling company because you think the question was biased. You then try to prove your other point by citing a poll commissioned by daily kos which is equally, if not more, slanted.

This is of course after you express shock and disbelief that someone as prominent in Republican circles as [some crazy bitch who is neither an elected official nor anyone of import] is spreading conspiracy theories, despite the fact that mainstream democrats have long espoused ridiculous ****ing theories about Bush.

Michael Moore made a goddamn movie accusing Bush of complicity in 9/11. Was he reviled and shunned by the left for being a crazy conspiracy theorist? No, he was invited to the ****ing democratic convention by a former Democratic president.

You're reminding me more and more of Champs every day.

Actually Fehrenheit 9/11 talked about gross negligence. I didn't recall him saying Bush was compllicit but rather negligent.

 

[RightinNYC]

Well, obviously you can not "****ing" read (yes, I am quoting you on that!). How hard is it really to figure out the first? Do you special help on this? Is there maybe someone who can read it to you, or explain that the question was flawed? Did I dismiss the Rasmussen results? Hint..it is all on how you frame the question. Maybe give it a try and re-read the question, then look at the widely discussed Aug. 6th PDB. Getting it now? Need time to think this through? I know it must be a real difficult one to crunch through a thick skull.

Let's suspend all logic and reason and pretend you just made a cogent point. Now, I'd love to see your explanation for these other polls:

9/11 opinion polls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are about a dozen polls in there all showing that significant portions of the population believe that the government was complicit in 9/11 or tried to cover it up. Are you going to claim that all of those are biased as well?

If you do not care for Results 2000, either come up with factual reason to dispute, or admit your party is a bunch of ignorant hicks and racists.

It was skewed in the same way?

The reps are the party of hicks and racists in the same way that the dems at the party of retards, truthers, and communists.

Do you see a common thread running through all of these polls?


A non-trivial portion of the population is stupid. Those people are likely to believe stupid things. They are especially likely to believe stupid things when they support their pre-existing political positions.

I can't believe that I had to explain this to you.