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England 'least patriotic' country in Europe.

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Only a third of people were aware that the celebration of St George was this Friday, while forty per cent did not know why he is the patron saint, a study revealed yesterday.
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The survey also found 6 percent of Englishmen and women said they fear flying the national flag and about 17 percent think they would be told to take it down.
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England 'least patriotic' country - Telegraph

It's a shame, England is a wonderful country with alot of history and achievements but even I had no idea it was this Friday or why he was made a saint.
 
Not a big shocker tbh. England has always been the "big brother" of the UK so I bet the English are more patriotic towards the UK than England, as many think that England is the UK and vis versa.

It is not uncommon. In Spain, I would claim relatively, people from Madrid and there abouts are "less" patriotic towards Castille-Leon and more for Spain, where as people in the Basque country, Catalonia and other places are more patriotic towards their local "country" than to Spain... all relatively speaking of course.
 
Laila said:
England 'least patriotic' country - Telegraph

It's a shame, England is a wonderful country with alot of history and achievements but even I had no idea it was this Friday or why he was made a saint.
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Just wait until the world cup starts. Flag flying goes to a new level (until England get knocked out in the QF's by Honduras or some such!)

Seriously, I think it's quite sad. I bet if you were to ask the same Englishmen & women when St. Patrick's day was, the figure would exceed 33%.

We should have a national holiday on St. George's and have some brewery sponsor it. Everyone would remember it then :lol:. In fact, I think there have been various calls for the former ...

But why would anyone think it's racist to be patriotic? It doesn't surprise me here but it's just so wrong, wrong, wrong!
 
Not 'Racist', Just English...

Well what do you expect after decades of Establishment embarassment over our patriotism?

Terence Blacker: A St George's day festival is not very British - Terence Blacker, Commentators - The Independent

The 'Dangers of Patriotism': ‘Don’t teach children patriotism’ - Times Online

If children are taught that patriotism is wrong, Britain's very identity is at stake | Mail Online

SCUM: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie





What do you expect when St. George's Day celebrations are scarcely publicised, budgeted for or taught about at school? Indeed, there are those in power looking for any old excuse to dump it completely:

BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Midlands | St George's parade racism fears



What do you expect when schoolkids are loaded with the guilt complexes suffered by the deranged liberals? Even when I was there there was precious little good British history taught about the battles, kings and queens, poets and the countless scientists and intellectuals. Instead, now, ordinary kids are taught to be ashamed of things even their ancestors had no hand in, for example the slave trade or potato famine.

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | All pupils to learn about slavery



However, persons of foreign extraction are always having their cultures celebrated without a single shred of criticism. Indeed, the c* k-sucking can often go too far:

Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah' - Telegraph

School cancels Christmas nativity in favour of Muslim Eid celebrations - Telegraph

I suppose it's too much to ask that the still-ongoing Islamic slave trade be highlighted and rubbed in the nose of innocent British Muslim kids? Any takers for that idea on the cretinous Left?


Following news that only 29% of schoolkids don't even know who Churchill was, schoolroom lessons are to be dumbed-down even further under Labour.

Exit Winston Churchill, enter Twitter ... Yes, it's the new primary school curriculum | Mail Online


It's not enough for our destructive Government to poison the minds of the English young, letting them believe that they had no culture until everyone else around the world gave things to them, without now being denuded of what little good educational grounding is left to them.


Exam chiefs ridiculed for allowing 'text speak' English answers | Mail Online



Those scum-sucking, paedo-loving, election-rigging, expenses-pigging, anti-British, economy-trashing, gold-underselling, warmongering, demography-destroying social conditioners have masterminded a situation where everyone else can have pride in every facet of their identity and history - except the English/British. Up until recently 'white British' wasn't even on the census.


Left Wing c* t Gisella Stuart said the 'Rise of Englishness' is a 'threat to Democracy': Labour attack on English | The Sun |News

'Racism' to even try to recognise your identity or proclaim it for the benefit of others: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/65404-lunatics-new-labour-state.html


Indeed, those imbecilic Labour vermin are much keener on the idea of an EU IDENTITY, for which we bow to a foreign capital and sing a song with no original words in for our national anthem!

http://www.junepress.com/PDF/Vol 11 No 7 - 13th January 2006.pdf

http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php/topic/1253-eu-flag-given-joint-primacy/

Willigness to still have a sense of place struggles to get out, giving loathsome 'liberals' free reign to pontificate: The West Lothian question, in reverse | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


And then the f* kers wonder why some people get angry and confused, turning to things like football hooliganism as an outlet:

'Distorted view of Englishness' causes racism - Straw - UK Politics, UK - The Independent



...Even the likes of those taking it upon themselves to 'unite against fascism' take a distinctly uncomfortable stand against the colours and country:

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrn93zOW2cs"]YouTube- Martin Smith of the UAF hates the Union Jack[/nomedia]


I tell you, such treasonous tossers had better not come to my door, in the run-up to the election, preaching Hope Not Hate! They'll see bloody hate alright, with much justification for it!
 
Laila said:
England 'least patriotic' country - Telegraph

It's a shame, England is a wonderful country with alot of history and achievements but even I had no idea it was this Friday or why he was made a saint.
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They did not come to Belgium. Only a few % of the Belgians know their anthem, including our prime minister, and 80% (including the prime minister) don't know what our national day marks. And that's a good thing.

Belgian politician's national anthem gaffe - Telegraph
 
Indeed, all those concerned about how non-inclusive St. George's Day is are actually displaying their own ignorance.

Funny that, when our wise PC mind controllers above us are supposed to know all and everything about culture and 'community cohesion', etc!


St George's Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Blackburn Rovers fans' St George's flag confiscated in 'racist symbol' row (From This Is Lancashire)

[ame=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=287150]Is the St George cross racist symbol? - General Discussion - Digital Spy Forums[/ame]


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/69387/St-George-s-Day-is-racist-/

Fury over St George flag ban - Manchester Evening News - It's alright for the Paddies though isn't it! And this wasn't the only flag ban on a flimsy H&S pretext.

Do Muslims think St George's Day (UK) is Racist? - Yahoo! Answers

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/06/england-afraid-to-fly-its-own-flag.html

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FLAGS...slims+cross,+says+used+car+bosses-a0117386035



I'd say St. George was a bloody good figure to celebrate in regards to being symbolic of fair play and justice, regardless of who you are!

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Muslims+fly+the+flag+for+England+after+`silly'+ban%3B+Islamic+leaders...-a0117401173 (Cut and paste directly to bar.)


Once again, the Left are socially-destabalising, cretinous scum! They must be - they prove it!
 
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We have had a similar discussion before. Most English people are not Nationalistic and I think that is a plus for them.

The George cross went into disrepute with the National Front and when regular English people were beginning to want to use it again, back come the National Front dressed up as EDL using the George Cross again.

Someone last time we discussed this pointed out that rather than think of themselves as being English, most English tend to think of themselves as being more where they come from, London or Yorkshire or whatever. In that way England is divided up into smaller areas which people are very proud of just like they are of being Welsh, Irish or Scot's.
 
This should be good news, it indicates that patriotism is minimal in the UK. Patriotism is nothing but a device to control the masses (usually for war).

On the flip-side, this also shows the ignorance of the people related to their history (much like in the US), which is also a dangerous situation as the society does not consider those things that led up to this point in history and are bound to repeat past mistakes.
 
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If you are Welsh, Scottish or Irish you can be proud but if you are English and proud of it you must be a member of the BNP or at least a bit racist:roll:
 
I think it's sad that a bunch of extremists have disgraced a national symbol to such a degree that others are now scared or ashamed to display it.
 
SingleCellOrganism said:
Patriotism is nothing but a device to control the masses (usually for war).
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This is not too dissimilar to a statement made by Red Dwarf's Arnold Rimmer:

"Love is a device invented by bank managers to make people overdrawn."


The Left has no soul, thus they want to crush those of others who feel a pride in their place.

Patriotism and nationalism may not be the same, but in their benign form they can be a force for good and unity. If you set out to rob or denigrate a people of the identity and community cohesion, they become destabalised. A microcosm is of the people moved halfway across the country into the solitary confinement of the high-rises by Lefties during the 60s. They have no understanding of the human dynamic outside of their waffly psuedo-academic textbooks, hence their total wreckage of the nation.

Patriotism has nothing to do with leaders using it to manipulate, for example Hitler and white nationalists, or people like the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam and the ANC's 'football team'. That, too, just shows up the simplicity and dangerous naiivity of those who tower above us.
 
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I don't see why patriotism is such a good thing or why it's necessary to judge the worth of a country based on how nationalistic its people are. England has stood the test of time and many conflicts; I think that says more than enough about its character.
 
This is England, and it rocks

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TST5pkAhJIM"]YouTube- the clash --- this is england[/nomedia]
 
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Orion said:
England has stood the test of time and many conflicts; I think that says more than enough about its character.
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Indeed it has and does. But the English (and by extension British) national character's not just a random collection of stuff held together by a whole heap of changeable parameters. All we've been through has helped mould the national character, as well as our geography. And that marks our spirit of national pride, if we're still allowed to celebrate it.

The minutiae can differ through the years but we can recognise the same basic traits in our people through the ages - things like having faith in justice, balanced enough but not taking any nonsense, etc. We've had proper democracy for half a millennia and an organised police and judiciary since the Middle Ages, and it's things like that to be proud of and see as part of our patriotism and something to preserve through a moderate nationalistic feeling. (The Tories used to revel in a strong form of it before the 1930s.)

Most people who realise they have an England to be proud of (even it is only football-phony) have some kind of patriotic or lite-nationalistic feeling. It's not just recognisable as a political soapbox-type thing.
 
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In 1775 Dr Samuel Johnson opined, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". I don't think much has occurred in the intervening 235 years to prove him a liar. He wasn't actually referring to a general sense of love of country, but the false idea of "pride in the achievements of our country". The jingoism and gung-ho patriotism that many (usually, but not exclusively, on the right) exhibit, most frequently when discussing the EU, is a sad claim made by those who rhetorically ride on the back of achievements that they had no part in. Americans who claim "they" won WWII single-handedly decades before their birth; English who claim to have stood alone against fascism when it was their grandparent's generation who did so.

I am very proud and very ashamed of the actions of the British in decades and centuries gone by, in fairly equal measure.

Do the good achievements -
splitting the atom; discovering the double helix of DNA, the Theories of Gravity and Natural Selection; The Babbage and Colossus computers; the steam engine; Penicillin; the role in WWII and the Napoleonic Wars; the works of Elgar, Purcell, Delius and Handel; the paintings of Hockney, Constable, Turner and hundreds more; Shakespeare, Burns, Wordsworth, Thomas and thousands more -

- outweigh the bad - Jewish pogroms of the 12th and 13th centuries; countless wars of aggression including the Boer War, the Crimea, WWI, the Indian Mutiny, the Opium Wars; the European slave trade; genocide of indigenous peoples on 4 continents; the development of the tabloid press; Andrew Lloyd Webber?

I believe the taking of pride in something should be a result of your contribution to that thing. I take pride in the achievements of my nephews and nieces because I have a small involvement in their development. I am proud of the achievements of my grandparents, and of those British people who contributed to my first list, but can take no credit for any of it nor claim that their achievements make me and my generation any more praiseworthy, steadfast, creative, kick-ass or prudent than anyone else.

By your actions will you be known, not the actions in which you had no part. I'm glad the English are the least patriotic of nations, perhaps many or most of them realise the crassness of claiming credit for the achievements of others.
 
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Republic_Of_Public said:
Most people who realise they have an England to be proud of (even it is only football-phony) have some kind of patriotic or lite-nationalistic feeling. It's not just recognisable as a political soapbox-type thing.
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If you need to be proud of something, please choose something else than a bunch of guys running after a ball. The first reason is because it is totally senseless, the second reason is that football supporters (especially the British ones it seems) are often just drunk hooligans.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_Disaster]Heysel Stadium Disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 

As you said, the problem with patriotism is that it is basically being proud of something totally unrelated to your own deeds.

And if I find it ridicule to be proud of an obscure battle that has happened centuries ago (for example the Flemish nationalists who constantly refer to the Battle of the Golden Spurs which occured in 1302, and forget to say that they were helped by Walloon guys btw), it is especially ridicule to be proud of a football team.
 
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Heysel was an English/Catalan affair, nothing to do with the rest of us British.
 

Hey, how's life in Milano? Did you get to see Inter Milan beat the crap out of Barcelona yesternight?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Heysel was an English/Catalan affair, nothing to do with the rest of us British.
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The point is that there are stupid people everywhere, and things like "taking pride in a football club" or "taking pride in a battle that has happened centuries ago" exacerbates their stupidity and leads to events such as the Heysel catastrophe.
 
paris said:
Hey, how's life in Milano? Did you get to see Inter Milan beats the crap out of Barcelona yesternight?
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I'll be there only in September! I don't really care about football but I'd like to visit the Campari factory instead :2razz:
 
bub said:
I'll be there only in September! I don't really care about football but I'd like to visit the Campari factory instead :2razz:
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Ah so, it is only the "hooligan" part that bothers you in football fans then:2razz:
 
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Johnson may have made his remark, but that only means you should watch for scoundrels rather than patriotism.

For a most people it's not taking somebody else's credit or trying to drape the flag over your views to say things like 'we won the war'. It's patently obvious today's young man wasn't there to fight Hitler. But when somebody says that, in all earnest anyway, it only means they identify with their forebears and can identify with them and their situation as much as they are able. Or at least as much as they perceive.

Certainly there were bad things in our history, but to use the rationale flung at me when I question Muhammadean-era Islamic values, 'they all did it in those days'. And even then, things like involvement in the slave trade had nothing to do with ordinary people. (Mind, it's odd to include involvement in World War 1 without, for consistency at least, also mentioning our involvement in World War 2.)

Though I agree with you that what made past glories isn't automatically transferrable to the younger generations. They have to achieve things for themselves and be a credit to their own times.
 
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