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Employees Terrified of ICE Raids Are Failing to Show Up at Work

You understand little to nothing.

Markets are operating on a model that requires illegal labor. Interrupting the labor supply has serious consequences. The simplistic retort of "just raise wages" is naive at best, but certainly not indicative of any knowledge of market forces whatsoever.
Having been someone whose built and led organizations all over the world, I've been held professionally accountable for understanding labor markets. What are your credentials here?
 
Having been someone
Lmao.

Not interested in your mirror, Nat.

JUST RAISE WAGES

Your understanding of free markets is consumed by politics. It's invalid. And quickly boring. You're wrong. Deal.

whose built and led organizations all over the world, I've been held professionally accountable for understanding labor markets. What are your credentials here?
I was the King of Siam. :LOL:

Good stuff, Nat.
 
Got to save money to get millions of illegals out of the country, can dave that 182 billion a year that experts say it costs to keep them here.
The $182 billion is from a flawed study created by a partisan anti-immigration organization called FAIR. They significantly overestimate their cost and underestimate their contributions with a number of errors including:
- including the cost while excluding the contributions of millions of US citizens that are children of undocumented immigrants
- Excluding billions of dollars in taxes contributed from sales, property, social security, etc


Non-partisan studies show undocumented immigrants paid close to $97 billion in taxes in 2022 (vs $32 billion from the FAIR study) and actually have a positive net gain at the federal level.
 
Markets are operating under a model that requires illegal labor. Interrupting the labor supply has serious consequences. The simplistic retort of "just raise wages" is naive at best, but certainly not indicative of any knowledge of market forces whatsoever.
Please pardon my ignorance, but why exactly is the market model not applicable when it applies to paying higher wages? Imagine someone in politics said that gas is too expensive, so people should just open up the underground tank and steal it!
 
Lmao.

Not interested in your mirror, Nat.

JUST RAISE WAGES

Your understanding of free markets is consumed by politics. It's invalid. And quickly boring. You're wrong. Deal.


I was the King of Siam. :LOL:

Good stuff, Nat.
In other words, you lack any relevant experience whatsoever. This is not surprising, BTW.

You have a lovely day.
 
They dont allow nearly enough in to meet the labor needs of the US ag economy.
That could be changed! Why on Earth would we think that replacing illegal with legal laborers doesn't require some legal immigration reform?
 
That could be changed! Why on Earth would we think that replacing illegal with legal laborers doesn't require some legal immigration reform?
It's as if he wants to maintain the immigration plantation system of labor.
 
Having been someone whose built and led organizations all over the world, I've been held professionally accountable for understanding labor markets. What are your credentials here?

Okay, so if you were given a candidate with a Green Card and experience to work construction, or whatever. Would you consider hiring him? Because a Green Card is here legally right? ICE is rounding them up and detaining them too. Often finding or manufacturing reasons to deport them.

 
The left. The members here who insist illegals pick their produce.
Millions of immigrants living in the country illegally were granted amnesty under Reagan. Reagan knew it was better economically to grant them amnesty than to have mass deportations. If Reagan was alive today, he would be considered part of "the left" by MAGA Republicans.
 
That could be changed! Why on Earth would we think that replacing illegal with legal laborers doesn't require some legal immigration reform?
Of course it does. Democrats try. Republicans block it. Every time.

Lets streamline the legal immigration system so that in the future the labor the US economy needs can come legally.

As far the ones already here, working and contributing, it makes far more sense to legalize them and let them stay and keep their jobs then to kick them out and replace them with new less experienced immifrants.
 
That could be changed! Why on Earth would we think that replacing illegal with legal laborers doesn't require some legal immigration reform?

As posted prior, there already exist legal migrant work options. There are already quite a number of seasonal and other forms of legal "temporary" work status opportunities.


There is no need to flood the country just so rich folks in places like Martha's Vineyards can save money by hiring illegals and paying them crap wages under the table while controlling them via threats to report them to ICE.
 
As posted prior, there already exist legal migrant work options.

as posted prior.

"Those programs dont allow nearly enough in to meet the labor needs of the US ag economy.

The illegals already here would have come legally if they could have. You know that right?"
 
Please pardon my ignorance, but why exactly is the market model not applicable when it applies to paying higher wages?
I'm talking about the agricultural sector. This sector is operating on a model that requires illegal labor. The immigration status of willing workers is incidental. Status can be changed with legislation. Willingness to do the work exists outside this status. Indeed, only half the workforce is undocumented. The other half are legally working and willing. If there were more willing legal workers, they would occupy a greater percentage of the total.

Wage increases have to come from profits. Farming can be unpredictable, but producers have a good handle on pricing. Each producer is attempting to operate at peak efficiency and profitability. Raising price, as would have to be done to balance wage increases, does not result in higher profits. It generally results in less units sold. Agriculture, while offering higher paying jobs, would offer fewer of them. Any disruption to the supply chain, especially labor, will have a negative effect on profitability. Rounding up half the labor force would have profound effects on the sector.

Legislation could address and fix all of this.

Imagine someone in politics said that gas is too expensive, so people should just open up the underground tank and steal it!
Did Abbey Hoffman say that?
 
In other words, you lack any relevant experience whatsoever.
I have plenty of trolling experience, but not as much as you, Nat.

And your pompous act is boring. You deflect to your superiority when you have no argument. Boring af.

 
Okay, so if you were given a candidate with a Green Card and experience to work construction, or whatever. Would you consider hiring him? Because a Green Card is here legally right? ICE is rounding them up and detaining them too. Often finding or manufacturing reasons to deport them.

I don't need to explore that scenario. I hire people with Green Cards as part of my job. And no, people with legal Green Card status should not be deported.
 
As posted prior, there already exist legal migrant work options. There are already quite a number of seasonal and other forms of legal "temporary" work status opportunities.


There is no need to flood the country just so rich folks in places like Martha's Vineyards can save money by hiring illegals and paying them crap wages under the table while controlling them via threats to report them to ICE.

Donald Trump disagrees. He believes maybe farms should have cheap labor now.
 
I have plenty of trolling experience, but not as much as you, Nat.

And your pompous act is boring. You deflect to your superiority when you have no argument. Boring af.
Sour grapes. You've been caught blovating on a matter in which you have little to no experience.
 
Having been someone whose built and led organizations all over the world, I've been held professionally accountable for understanding labor markets. What are your credentials here?
Then how are you getting tjis so wrong?
 
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