Elections have consequences... and they are starting....

[Arbo]

Vegas Employer: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees « CBS Las Vegas

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“I’ve done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I’m at a point where I’m being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees."

Far from the last we will hear stories like this. Feel free to add them to this thread as they pop up.




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[tessaesque]

I think that might have been a bit reactionary, but I'm seeing plenty of it here.

My dad was told that two very large jobs he'd bid and scheduled were being cancelled by the small business owners who had requested the work. They explained to him that renovations and upgrades were no longer in the budget because their taxes and penalties related to healthcare were now assuredly going up, and they didn't want to fire employees to make up the difference. That meant all "unnecessary" services would be cancelled or delayed. This will net a total loss of about $35k for my dad over the course of the next 12 months unless he can find something to replace that business.

My boyfriend was told all through September and October by potential customers that they were going to wait until after the election to make decisions on upgrading internet and telecom services. Guess what decision they made....

I've had two large customers (10 properties serviced for them) that happen to be owned by large financial groups. The managers for those accounts both e-mailed me yesterday asking for a quote to downsize services. Same reason provided as the one my dad received.

For months we'd been hearing from customers, clients, and business-owning friends that they were just biding their time until the election was over...basically riding on the status quo until they could determine who won the presidency. I think businesses are seriously concerned about regulation, artificial competition through unwise government investment, and healthcare costs to employers. Now that they're assured the bill will go into effect as planned, and now that they know Obama's business agenda will likely continue they're keeping things tight to the bottom line.

 

[Stuckinred]

Americans are so "gang" oriented with their politics thinking it's cool to be "down with a gang" and placing their hopes and fears in either of the two corporate parties. They're all the same folks. Listen to Ron Paul for the truthful details. That presidential election was just to give the illusion you have a choice. We don't.

 

[marsden]

Excellent thread topic, Arbor! I'd love it if this becomes one of those threads that gets more than a thousand replies and lasts four + years.

I get a tingle up my leg when I imagine the looks on the faces of those liberal Obama voting employees the moment they realize their vote really does have consequences.

 

[ecofarm]

Americans are so "gang" oriented with their politics thinking it's cool to be "down with a gang" and placing their hopes and fears in either of the two corporate parties. They're all the same folks. Listen to Ron Paul for the truthful details. That presidential election was just to give the illusion you have a choice. We don't.

That post is a huge pile of sht. The same number of people in any free group are "down with the gang", whether American, European, African or otherwise. Critical thinkers are rare, as demonstrated by that post.

"Americans are bad" + "American government is a sham" + Ron Paul's isolationism = ?

Let me guess... Muslim.

 

[MaggieD]

Vegas Employer: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees « CBS Las Vegas

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“I’ve done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I’m at a point where I’m being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees."

Far from the last we will hear stories like this. Feel free to add them to this thread as they pop up.




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It's very difficult for me to believe that a company could lay off 20% of its workforce if "being slow" wasn't part of the mix. I may not understand the full impact of Obamacare on small business, but if it really does hit them this hard, we're in for a rough ride.

 

[Stuckinred]

If you want to believe that, feel free. Keep electing the same stuff over and over and over and I'm sure your country will improve immediately!

 

[TheNextEra]

Vegas Employer: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees « CBS Las Vegas

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“I’ve done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I’m at a point where I’m being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees."

Far from the last we will hear stories like this. Feel free to add them to this thread as they pop up.




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If one were to be intellectually honest, they would have to admit that even if Romney was elected President (given the current makeup of congress), this employer would have had to fire these employees even if Romney was elected. And that is only IF this was the REAL reason the employer fired the employees.

 

[Dwight]

"Americans are bad" + American government is a sham + Ron Paul (foreign policy) = ?

Oh, oh, oh, I know this one! Sheeple.

 

[Hicup]

Watch over the next few months and how the unemployment numbers rise significantly. It will be held up somewhat by the hiring of seasonal help in the retail segments, but come new years, bye-bye.

Look, all partisan nonesense aside, the facts are the facts. You cannot burden SMB with the same Large Enterprise tax policies, and expect them to survive intact by abosrbing the costs without making significant changes to the bottom line. Most SMB will first look to reverse trending profit losses by the single most effective way to stop it. Payroll, and it's a simple as that, period! Obamacare, Sarbanes, Frank/Dodd, and these are just the well known ones are stiffling to the SMB segment. Large Enterprise can to a large degree, absorb some of these costs, but SMB simply cannot.

Do I think Obama cares? Nope, and I mean that. I really don't think he cares. Like all politicians he's passing the buck to future admins. His legacy was Obamacare, and I think in his mind it is good enough for him. Oh, and he gave the order to kill the most wanted man in American and world history..



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[ecofarm]

Oh, oh, oh, I know this one! Sheeple.

Not bad, I went with "Muslim".

 

[Stuckinred]

That post is a huge pile of sht. The same number of people in any free group are "down with the gang", whether American, European, African or otherwise. Critical thinkers are rare, as demonstrated by that post.

"Americans are bad" + "American government is a sham" + Ron Paul's isolationism = ?

Let me guess... Muslim.

You want to continue to be part of the problem through identifying, childishly, via a political gang, be my guest. No more sheep here - no, not anymore.

 

[marsden]

It's very difficult for me to believe that a company could lay off 20% of its workforce if "being slow" wasn't part of the mix. I may not understand the full impact of Obamacare on small business, but if it really does hit them this hard, we're in for a rough ride.

Conservative syndtcated radio talk show host, Neal Boortz, a former attorney, suggested that employers who have to lay off employees should do just that. Lay off the Obama voters first.

It's poetic justice or something juicer and more profound than just revenge or petulance or a fit of pique.

 

[PeteEU]

Vegas Employer: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees « CBS Las Vegas

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“I’ve done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I’m at a point where I’m being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees."

Far from the last we will hear stories like this. Feel free to add them to this thread as they pop up.

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Sour grapes pure and simple. They could not bully their way to a win so they are now reacting like spoiled teenagers.

 

[Truckstop]

If one were to be intellectually honest, they would have to admit that even if Romney was elected President (given the current makeup of congress), this employer would have had to fire these employees even if Romney was elected. And that is only IF this was the REAL reason the employer fired the employees.

Obama gave out lots of exemptions, why couldn't he just executive order an exemption for everyone? Asking, seriously don't know.

 

[ecofarm]

You want to continue to be part of the problem through identifying, childishly, via a political gang, be my guest. No more sheep here - no, not anymore.

Your American hating, US government hating, extreme isolationism crap is exactly what it seems to be - BS. While I'm not entirely sure of your motive, it is clear that you have no problem playing an orc for those who hate the US.

Your post I first responded to seems brainwashed, frightened and extremely isolationist. Do you live in a cave?

 

[TheNextEra]

Obama gave out lots of exemptions, why couldn't he just executive order an exemption for everyone? Asking, seriously don't know.

If he were to do that, which I don't know if Romney could, that would go against everything that he said a president shouldn't do.

 

[Jetboogieman]

It's poetic justice or something juicer and more profound than just revenge or petulance or a fit of pique.

That is just sick.

Honestly it seems like Some (that's for you X Factor :lol Conservatives around here want people to be unemployed and the country to fail just so they can fulfill some sick childish desire to be able to say "HA HA! TOLD YOU SO".

 

[Truckstop]

Sour grapes pure and simple. They could not bully their way to a win so they are now reacting like spoiled teenagers.

I love when random people can so instantly surmise the motives and situation of a person they have never met. Wish I was that kind of genius.

 

[TheNextEra]

Conservative syndtcated radio talk show host, Neal Boortz, a former attorney, suggested that employers who have to lay off employees should do just that. Lay off the Obama voters first.

It's poetic justice or something juicer and more profound than just revenge or petulance or a fit of pique.

Go right ahead, and then the workers could SUE their asses straight out.

I like how some conservatives talk about how Obama is a tyrant, but then their own solutions are tyranny in nature when they don't get their way.

 

[Zyphlin]

Americans are so "gang" oriented with their politics thinking it's cool to be "down with a gang" and placing their hopes and fears in either of the two corporate parties. They're all the same folks. Listen to Ron Paul for the truthful details. That presidential election was just to give the illusion you have a choice. We don't.

So you're in the Ron Paul "gang"?

 

[Stuckinred]

So you're in the Ron Paul "gang"?

No, just a demonstration of someone with the balls to tell the reality of our messed up situation and not caring about the consequences. It's no accident that the GOP silences him every run for president. Think of the billions of dollars he'd cost corporate America as president. Can't have that, can we? Got to keep the Corporate Welfare machine well-oiled.

 

[marsden]

If one were to be intellectually honest, they would have to admit that even if Romney was elected President (given the current makeup of congress), this employer would have had to fire these employees even if Romney was elected. And that is only IF this was the REAL reason the employer fired the employees.

Deny the obvious all you want. But we all know the truth. Obama's policies will increase unemployment and raise taxes starting immediately or very soon and it will happen all across the country. And Romney would have had a better idea which would have had a positive effect on the stock market and investment banks and captains of industry around the world as well as here in the US. Those positive effects would have started Wednesday morning.

But, nooooooo!

 

[Helix]

while i don't begrudge small businesses the right to handle their personnel decisions as they see fit, i think those who fire employees because of a political temper tantrum are going to mostly hurt their own competitiveness.

additionally, i will avoid such businesses like the plague, and would do the same for liberal businesses who fired employees purely because of a tantrum over a Romney win. they are playing with employees' lives, and that's serious. if there's a genuine reason to fire, that's one thing. this, however, has happened so quickly that it seems like a tantrum. i don't support that.

 

[tessaesque]

No, just a demonstration of someone with the balls to tell the reality of our messed up situation and not caring about the consequences. It's no accident that the GOP silences him every run for president. Think of the billions of dollars he'd cost corporate America as president. Can't have that, can we? Got to keep the Corporate Welfare machine well-oiled.

I find it funny how absolutely uninformed the "enlightened" tend to be.

I thoroughly respect Ron Paul, but he'd have about as much authority to enact his plans as Obama or Romney, and since he rejects the authority of the Executive Order, he'd probably have less. He may be different in principle, but his effect would have been similar.