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Border Patrol Makes Its Case For An Expanded 'Border Barrier'
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684037990/border-patrol-makes-its-case-for-an-expanded-border-barrier
We could not make a measurable impact on the flow [of undocumented immigrants] across the border. It wasn't until we installed barriers along the border that gave us the upper hand that we started to get control.
Rodney Scott, chief border patrol agent, San Diego sector
"I started in the San Diego sector in 1992 and it didn't matter how many agents we lined up," said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott. "We could not make a measurable impact on the flow [of undocumented immigrants] across the border. It wasn't until we installed barriers along the border that gave us the upper hand that we started to get control."
Forty-six of the 60 miles of border in the San Diego sector are currently protected by some type of barrier. Scott says in the places where he has two levels of fencing he achieves 90 percent operational control.
WALLS/BARRIERS WORK!
This thread is to debate the efficacy of Trump's proposed fence/slats/wall on the US and Mexico border. It is NOT for debating the efficacy of ALL walls. It is for the one, particular wall that Trump is seeking funding to build.
I submit the following articles to support the idea that such a wall would not be very effective and would be poor policy.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-crisis-speech-not-fixed-by-wall-shutdown-2019-1
Remember this thread is about Trump's wall...not the Vatican walls, or the Israel wall, or the wall around Obama or Pelosi's house. This is a thread about the arguments of why Trump's wall will or will not work. Truth is some walls are more effective than others. Some are more "moral" than others. This thread is about how sound the arguments are that this specific wall will be effective given the circumstances that pertain just to it.
Real life experience that a physical barrier absolutely does work! It's been proven
around the world. Look at the success that State of Israel has had with the border wall.
San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control
April 6, 2006
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5323928
Before the fence was built, all that separated that stretch of Mexico from California was a single strand of cable that demarcated the international border.
Back then, Border Patrol agent Jim Henry says he was overwhelmed by the stream of immigrants who crossed into the United States illegally just in that sector.
"It was an area that was out of control," Henry says. "There were over 100,000 aliens crossing through this area a year."
Today, Henry is assistant chief of the Border Patrol's San Diego sector. He says apprehensions here are down 95 percent, from 100,000 a year to 5,000 a year, largely because the single strand of cable marking the border was replaced by double -- and in some places, triple -- fencing.
The first fence, 10 feet high, is made of welded metal panels. The second fence, 15 feet high, consists of steel mesh, and the top is angled inward to make it harder to climb over. Finally, in high-traffic areas, there's also a smaller chain-link fence. In between the two main fences is 150 feet of "no man's land," an area that the Border Patrol sweeps with flood lights and trucks, and soon, surveillance cameras.
"Here in San Diego, we have proven that the border infrastructure system does indeed work," Henry says. "It is highly effective."
This thread is to debate the efficacy of Trump's proposed fence/slats/wall on the US and Mexico border. It is NOT for debating the efficacy of ALL walls. It is for the one, particular wall that Trump is seeking funding to build.
I submit the following articles to support the idea that such a wall would not be very effective and would be poor policy.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-crisis-speech-not-fixed-by-wall-shutdown-2019-1
Remember this thread is about Trump's wall...not the Vatican walls, or the Israel wall, or the wall around Obama or Pelosi's house. This is a thread about the arguments of why Trump's wall will or will not work. Truth is some walls are more effective than others. Some are more "moral" than others. This thread is about how sound the arguments are that this specific wall will be effective given the circumstances that pertain just to it.
The bottom line?
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/about/about-migration-policy-instituteMPI maintains a special commitment to work on immigration and integration policies in North America and Europe, where its two offices are located, but it also remains active around the world, and takes a global and comparative approach to migration issues when possible.
So, don't use examples of walls successfully controlling ingress/egress to discuss why Trump's wall would control illegal ingress?This thread is to debate the efficacy of Trump's proposed fence/slats/wall on the US and Mexico border. It is NOT for debating the efficacy of ALL walls. It is for the one, particular wall that Trump is seeking funding to build.
I submit the following articles to support the idea that such a wall would not be very effective and would be poor policy.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-crisis-speech-not-fixed-by-wall-shutdown-2019-1
Remember this thread is about Trump's wall...not the Vatican walls, or the Israel wall, or the wall around Obama or Pelosi's house. This is a thread about the arguments of why Trump's wall will or will not work. Truth is some walls are more effective than others. Some are more "moral" than others. This thread is about how sound the arguments are that this specific wall will be effective given the circumstances that pertain just to it.
This thread is to debate the efficacy of Trump's proposed fence/slats/wall on the US and Mexico border. It is NOT for debating the efficacy of ALL walls. It is for the one, particular wall that Trump is seeking funding to build.
I submit the following articles to support the idea that such a wall would not be very effective and would be poor policy.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-crisis-speech-not-fixed-by-wall-shutdown-2019-1
Remember this thread is about Trump's wall...not the Vatican walls, or the Israel wall, or the wall around Obama or Pelosi's house. This is a thread about the arguments of why Trump's wall will or will not work. Truth is some walls are more effective than others. Some are more "moral" than others. This thread is about how sound the arguments are that this specific wall will be effective given the circumstances that pertain just to it.
So, don't use examples of walls successfully controlling ingress/egress to discuss why Trump's wall would control illegal ingress?
I've mentioned in other threads the idea of a wall being the be-all and end-all of border security is ridiculous. Nor is that the plan. Trump has also asked for more money to hire CBP agents, better holding facilities and additional judges to expedite asylum processing. So patrolling the border would also be increased. And existing technologies such as sensors, drones, etc. are still in the plan.
I don't know the exact breakdown I just know he has requested funding for the items I listed.How much of the $5.6 billion is he going to use for non wall related immigration policies?
I am on record as preferring other methods to prevent illegal immigration without need for a complete "great wall of Trump." However, walls do work and a border wall will do the job it was built to do.
I don't know the exact breakdown I just know he has requested funding for the items I listed.
This section of fence is addressed in the CATO article. The reduction was attributed to the housing market collapse not the fence.
The bottom line?
A pregnant woman is going to scale a wall with a rope? What about a kid?
This section of fence is addressed in the CATO article. The reduction was attributed to the housing market collapse not the fence.
Such a lack of imagination is perfect in a Trumpist.
Border Patrol Makes Its Case For An Expanded 'Border Barrier'
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684037990/border-patrol-makes-its-case-for-an-expanded-border-barrier
We could not make a measurable impact on the flow [of undocumented immigrants] across the border. It wasn't until we installed barriers along the border that gave us the upper hand that we started to get control.
Rodney Scott, chief border patrol agent, San Diego sector
"I started in the San Diego sector in 1992 and it didn't matter how many agents we lined up," said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott. "We could not make a measurable impact on the flow [of undocumented immigrants] across the border. It wasn't until we installed barriers along the border that gave us the upper hand that we started to get control."
Forty-six of the 60 miles of border in the San Diego sector are currently protected by some type of barrier. Scott says in the places where he has two levels of fencing he achieves 90 percent operational control.
WALLS/BARRIERS WORK!
This thread is to debate the efficacy of Trump's proposed fence/slats/wall on the US and Mexico border. It is NOT for debating the efficacy of ALL walls. It is for the one, particular wall that Trump is seeking funding to build.
I submit the following articles to support the idea that such a wall would not be very effective and would be poor policy.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-crisis-speech-not-fixed-by-wall-shutdown-2019-1
Remember this thread is about Trump's wall...not the Vatican walls, or the Israel wall, or the wall around Obama or Pelosi's house. This is a thread about the arguments of why Trump's wall will or will not work. Truth is some walls are more effective than others. Some are more "moral" than others. This thread is about how sound the arguments are that this specific wall will be effective given the circumstances that pertain just to it.
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