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Dutch Prosecute Wilders

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The three judges said that they had weighed Mr Wilders's "one-sided generalisations" against his right to free speech, and ruled that he had gone beyond the normal leeway granted to politicians.

"The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of member of parliament Geert Wilders for inciting hatred and discrimination, based on comments by him in various media on Muslims and their beliefs," the court said in a statement.

"The court also considers appropriate criminal prosecution for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism made by Wilders," it added


BBC NEWS | Europe | Islam film Dutch MP to be charged


Wow, just wow! Thats crazy! Makes me wonder what where they think and what were they smoking? Well, Amsterdam is located there...
 
The religion of perpetual outrage has tried the same thing in the USA and Canada, etc, etc.

As long as there are moonbat liberals who bend over for these thugs then this will continue. The democratic system they hate and wish to destroy will be used by them to do us in if we allow this to continue. Reminds me of the experiment of the frog in a pot of water.

The Boiling Frog Story Charts & Numbers
 
It is a shame that the curtain of Fascism is now descending over the Netherlands.....

I always thought that the bets way to counter any argument was to rebut it. But it seems by their own admission, that the government of the Netherlands believes that Muslims cannot refute such claims, but rather are willing to engage in violence when they hear such claims.

Always be very afraid when a government is taking away your rights on the basis of protecting the common good or maintaining public order......
 
Pandering to the crazy Muslims i see :doh
 
Self Interest

"Self Interest"
Wow, just wow! Thats crazy! Makes me wonder what where they think and what were they smoking? Well, Amsterdam is located there...
Are anglos entitled to separatist territories (countries), particularly those which have existed as such, indisputably throughout history?
 
The three judges said that they had weighed Mr Wilders's "one-sided generalisations" against his right to free speech, and ruled that he had gone beyond the normal leeway granted to politicians.

"The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of member of parliament Geert Wilders for inciting hatred and discrimination, based on comments by him in various media on Muslims and their beliefs," the court said in a statement.

"The court also considers appropriate criminal prosecution for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism made by Wilders," it added


BBC NEWS | Europe | Islam film Dutch MP to be charged


Wow, just wow! Thats crazy! Makes me wonder what where they think and what were they smoking? Well, Amsterdam is located there...

In this forum there is also free speech, but when you start insulting people or flaming (calling them "nazis") you get infraction points. There are limits to freedom of speech.
 
In this forum there is also free speech, but when you start insulting people or flaming (calling them "nazis") you get infraction points. There are limits to freedom of speech.

There is no such thing as freedom of speech on a privately-owned message board. There is only the speech allowed by the owner(s) of the board, and it is not protected or guaranteed in any way.
 
There is no such thing as freedom of speech on a privately-owned message board. There is only the speech allowed by the owner(s) of the board, and it is not protected or guaranteed in any way.

And do you think the law should protect people who use hate speech?
What do you think about the law that forbids people to deny the Holocaust?
 
And do you think the law should protect people who use hate speech?
What do you think about the law that forbids people to deny the Holocaust?

I think that is between the government that passes such a law, and the people it affects. Speech is speech, and there's always someone willing to state that any given example of speech is "hate" speech. I think decrying something as "hate speech" is just one more way for people to try to squelch the free speech of those with which they disagree. The only rational remedy to free speech with which you disagree, is to utilize freedom of speech yourself.
 
I think that is between the government that passes such a law, and the people it affects. Speech is speech, and there's always someone willing to state that any given example of speech is "hate" speech. I think decrying something as "hate speech" is just one more way for people to try to squelch the free speech of those with which they disagree. The only rational remedy to free speech with which you disagree, is to utilize freedom of speech yourself.

Sometimes it is impossible: the Holocaust deniers are not rational and it's useless to debate with them: there are tons of proofs about the holocaust and it is an historical fact. It's the same for people who call Muslims "nazi"
 
Sometimes it is impossible: the Holocaust deniers are not rational and it's useless to debate with them: there are tons of proofs about the holocaust and it is an historical fact. It's the same for people who call Muslims "nazi"

Sometimes you just have to live with the fact that some people will disagree with you regardless of the information presented. That's also something that is, and should be, protected under free speech.
 
The three judges said that they had weighed Mr Wilders's "one-sided generalisations" against his right to free speech, and ruled that he had gone beyond the normal leeway granted to politicians.

"The Amsterdam appeals court has ordered the prosecution of member of parliament Geert Wilders for inciting hatred and discrimination, based on comments by him in various media on Muslims and their beliefs," the court said in a statement.

"The court also considers appropriate criminal prosecution for insulting Muslim worshippers because of comparisons between Islam and Nazism made by Wilders," it added


BBC NEWS | Europe | Islam film Dutch MP to be charged


Wow, just wow! Thats crazy! Makes me wonder what where they think and what were they smoking? Well, Amsterdam is located there...

It amuses me when people say firm believers in free speech and support hate speech laws. I am glad the US has not caved to eurotrash hate speech laws.
 
And do you think the law should protect people who use hate speech?
What do you think about the law that forbids people to deny the Holocaust?

Yes even hate speech must be protected under free speech laws. Irrational may become rational at some point. What is acceptable now may become unacceptable under different social norms or popular setiment in the future. A person can deny the Holocaust all they want. It does not change anything the truth. A person can use any name he wants against another person, and I have been the recipient of that many a time. Thats fine, they can do that.

Should someone deny me work based on my race or falsely challenge my citizen status then we have a problem and I can have him/her prosecuted under the law. Should those people incite violence or partake in some form of civil disobedience we can prosecute them under the law. Just because someone calls me a wetback or hopes that I die a painful death means nothing to me.

Ah but then I'm an old school Gen. X not one of the current slack jawed thin skinned types that seem to reproduce at astonishing rates.
 
It amuses me when people say firm believers in free speech and support hate speech laws. I am glad the US has not caved to eurotrash hate speech laws.

Naw you just cave into anti-communist laws, not allowing US citizens to support boycotts of nations that the US government does not support, the ban of the movie The Profit by a court because Scientology asked it too, daily censorship of US TV... yea the US is so perfect when it comes to free speech.
 
Naw you just cave into anti-communist laws,

Are those laws still in effect? When was the last time someone in the USA been fined and or arrest for violating anti-communist laws?

not allowing US citizens to support boycotts of nations that the US government does not support,

How can the government not allow you to boycott something?

the ban of the movie The Profit by a court because Scientology asked it too,
I find it hard to believe a US court would block such a movie. This is the same country that allowed Birth of Nation(A democrat propaganda film made to glorify and give rebirth the KKK) to be film and shown in theaters.

daily censorship of US TV... yea the US is so perfect when it comes to free speech.

At least here in the us we can express our opinion about any particular group and not face being arrested over what someone said about another group and over here a preacher can talk about how homosexuality is a sin and not be arrested on idiotic hate speech charges.
 
Are those laws still in effect? When was the last time someone in the USA been fined and or arrest for violating anti-communist laws?

Never said they were still in effect. However they were on the books, and are far worse than what you and others are accusing the Dutch of doing. I mean making it a crime to have political thoughts that are "not accepted". Not even the German's ban neo nazi thoughts, just Nazi emblems...

How can the government not allow you to boycott something?

U. S. Bureau of Industry and Security
The antiboycott laws were adopted to encourage, and in specified cases, require U.S. firms to refuse to participate in foreign boycotts that the United States does not sanction. They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy.

So if you don't agree with US policy then we will fine you or put you in jail. This is censorship. If a company openly agree's with the boycott and the US does not, the company can be punished under these laws.

http://www.unknownnews.net/0626-2.html#below

Company fined for not reporting a customers question...

I find it hard to believe a US court would block such a movie. This is the same country that allowed Birth of Nation(A democrat propaganda film made to glorify and give rebirth the KKK) to be film and shown in theaters.

The movie The Profit had an injunction put against it by a Florida court because Scientology sued the maker. That is censorship no? The injunction was later lifted but the damage was done so to say. The big question is why the court agreed with Scientology to put in the injunction...

The Profit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also there have been many book and film banning's across the US, and books are still being at best attempted banned by religious freaks all over the US. It is especially books with "homosexual themes" in them that are the targets of the religious right. There was a state representative in a southern state (can not remember which..maybe Alabama) that put up a bill that would ban all books with homosexual content from the state and school libraries.. of course the bill failed, but that anyone could even contemplate let alone put forward such a bill.. shocking.

At least here in the us we can express our opinion about any particular group and not face being arrested over what someone said about another group and over here a preacher can talk about how homosexuality is a sin and not be arrested on idiotic hate speech charges.

And yet you can get a big fine for showing a blurred breast on TV. That there is no live TV in the US any more, because every channel has a minimum 5 second delay to avoid "issues" that could cause them to get fined by the FCC. This is also censorship on a very large scale. I applaud the stations that say "stuff you" to the FCC. I also look on with horror that stations refused to show various shows, movies or commercials. Was it not long ago, that a bunch of religious right owned TV stations refused to show Saving Private Ryan for some warped reason? Censorship comes in many forms.

'Saving Private Ryan': A New Casualty of the Indecency War (washingtonpost.com)

My point is, while the Dutch situation is not good in principle, the Dutch, European's or others are far from the only ones "curbing" free speech on a local, regional or national level. The US does it also, and frankly far more in some areas... see TV and for frankly very silly things. While the Europeans with their censorship try to curb far right racist anti-semite thought, the US see's a big threat in a woman's breast and the sexual goings on for homosexuals.

And Wilders has not been charged let alone prosecuted yet. An investigation has started that is all, and the burden of proof is still on the state.
 
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In this forum there is also free speech, but when you start insulting people or flaming (calling them "nazis") you get infraction points. There are limits to freedom of speech.

No, this is a privately run discussion forum with rules to certain behavior, you HAVE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH here.

You are granted the courtesy to post your thoughts in a manner described those that manage the forum. If you exceed the boundaries they set you are punished, up to and including a permanent banning.


The fact people think a forum is a place of "free speech" amuses the hell out of me.
 
Naw you just cave into anti-communist laws, not allowing US citizens to support boycotts of nations that the US government does not support, the ban of the movie The Profit by a court because Scientology asked it too, daily censorship of US TV... yea the US is so perfect when it comes to free speech.

YouTube - The Profit 1

You can watch the profit.
 
YouTube - The Profit 1

You can watch the profit.

never claimed that you could not. As I stated, the injunction was lifted after some time, and the injunction was never "world wide", so they could release it outside the US. But no matter how much spin you put on it, the Judge censored the film for some time because Scientology did not like the content.
 
never claimed that you could not. As I stated, the injunction was lifted after some time, and the injunction was never "world wide", so they could release it outside the US. But no matter how much spin you put on it, the Judge censored the film for some time because Scientology did not like the content.

And no matter how you spin it, this injunction was ultimately overruled.... This demonstrates that as a rule of law, free speech is upheld in America; even if lower court judge failed to understand the legal concept.
 
If you ban free speech to bigots you dont have free speech.

Thats how freedom of speech is a value its only really tested when you still agree with it when people say things you dont like.
 
-- this injunction was ultimately overruled.... This demonstrates that --

However what was being pointed out by the anti Europeans was a picture that censorship does not exist in the US.

The Wilders incident is happening now - he is being investigated, not banned yet however that doesn't seem to matter when a chance to make ignorant statements that ignore that censorship of free speech is very real in the US and has always been so.

Censorship of music in the 50's

Censorship of music in the 60's

Censorship of music in the 70's

Censorship of music in the 80's

Censorship of music in the 90's

Censorship in the last 9 years

And then outside of music -

From the birth of the USA - President Adams' "Alien and Sedition Act" - 1798

Sedition Act 1917

Smith Act 1945 and the McCarthy era.

Many of the above eventually were repealed or taken off the law books but they existed. "The Profit" as PeteEU pointed out was just such a case - that cannot be denied.

As I started out - Wilders is happening now, nobody can say with certainty what the result is as the process has not completed yet.

Lastly - Reporters without Borders only puts the USA at number 36 on the list of countries where freedom of speech and reporting is best protected.

Netherlands is at 16.
 
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