Due Process Will Take 200 Years (1 Viewer)

[johnwk]

NO.

The bottom line is Americans deserve protection from government over reach.

Americans First!

Dude, we are talking about illegal entrant foreign nationals.

What “process” is due to an illegal entrant alien when restrained and held for deportation as an alien?​

 

[MamboDervish]

None of this makes a lick of difference any more since SCOTUS ruled that Trump can't deport gang members whether they are terrorists or not. At this point it looks like the courts are going to simply declare everyone that has ever set foot on US soil to be a lawful citizen and ineligible for deportation under any circumstance whatsoever.

NO! Nobody said this, nor anything like this. What orifice did you pull "a lawful citizen" out of?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

What “process” is due to an illegal entrant alien under the Alien Enemies Act when restrained and held for deportation as an alien?
The only process which may be due under the Alien Enemies Act when the President’s Administration identifies an alien to be deported is, a writ of habeas corpus and it would be limited to determining whether or not the subject in question is in fact a foreign national, and not a citizen of the United States.
The bottom line is, the very purpose and legislative intent of the Alien Enemies Act was to provide the President with extraordinary power, including unobstructed discretionary deportation power, to deal with and remove aliens on American soil who may pose a threat to the general welfare of the United States and her citizens.

NO.
The bottom line is Americans deserve protection from government over reach.
Americans First!

Dude, we are talking about illegal entrant foreign nationals.
What “process” is due to an illegal entrant alien when restrained and held for deportation as an alien?

It will be tedious if I must re-quote each of your posts for you to understand the context of my comments

 

[Simon W. Moon]

NO! Nobody said this, nor anything like this. What orifice did you pull "a lawful citizen" out of?

@Lutherf seems to frequently post unrealistic, hyperbolic scenarios where he is the victim

idk

Maybe Limbaugh went on and on about how victimhood was the essence of manly conservatism or some something and it stuck

 

[Callen]

Source and quote.

Here is one but there are many more.

"The Supreme Court on Monday allowed the Trump administration to use an 18th century wartime law to deport Venezuelan migrants, but said they must get a court hearing before they are taken from the United States.

In a bitterly divided decision, the court said the administration must give Venezuelans who it claims are gang members “reasonable time” to go to court."

Supreme Court allows Trump to deport Venezuelans under Alien Enemies Act, after judges’ review

The Supreme Court is allowing the Trump administration to use an 18th century wartime law to deport Venezuelan migrants, but says they must get a court hearing before they are taken from the United States.

apnews.com

 

[Lutherf]

The effect of the SCOTUS ruling is that the president has no authority to enforce the AEA and also created a standard whereby declaring the AEA to bee in effect requires judicial review. With this ruling Roberts effectively said that even if we have armed combatants on the streets of our cities that the president MUST NOT take action against them until some circuit court judge gives him the OK and that can't happen until after a case has been filed, after a trial has been had and after all parties have had their appeal hearing. Furthermore, he's saying that if Trump brings ANY case to the Supreme Court that they will deny him because Trump.

 

[MamboDervish]

The effect of the SCOTUS ruling is that the president has no authority to enforce the AEA and also created a standard whereby declaring the AEA to bee in effect requires judicial review. With this ruling Roberts effectively said that even if we have armed combatants on the streets of our cities that the president MUST NOT take action against them until some circuit court judge gives him the OK and that can't happen until after a case has been filed, after a trial has been had and after all parties have had their appeal hearing. Furthermore, he's saying that if Trump brings ANY case to the Supreme Court that they will deny him because Trump.

Your posts seem to be intent on trying, and failing, to elevate reductio ad absurdum to new heights, while being deliberately obtuse to new lows. Are you aware of that? Is it intentional?

Just curious.

 

[Felis Leo]

That is what they said....at 1am....without even allowing the administration to respond.

Maybe if the Trump Administration had not openly flouted the Supreme Court's prior order and then trotted out Trump's pet shaved rat Stephen Miller to urinate in the face of the Robert's Court by blatantly lying and mis-characterizing their ruling on public television, they might have demurred on this.

 

[Callen]

The effect of the SCOTUS ruling is that the president has no authority to enforce the AEA and also created a standard whereby declaring the AEA to bee in effect requires judicial review. With this ruling Roberts effectively said that even if we have armed combatants on the streets of our cities that the president MUST NOT take action against them until some circuit court judge gives him the OK and that can't happen until after a case has been filed, after a trial has been had and after all parties have had their appeal hearing. Furthermore, he's saying that if Trump brings ANY case to the Supreme Court that they will deny him because Trump.

Oh the drama.....The ruling was very specific to this situation.

 

[johnwk]

Your posts seem to be intent on trying, and failing, to elevate reductio ad absurdum to new heights, while being deliberately obtuse to new lows. Are you aware of that? Is it intentional?

Just curious.

RE: the poster you replied to . . . They sure love to make stuff up and project their dreams.

 

[WillyPete]

Dude, we are talking about illegal entrant foreign nationals.

What “process” is due to an illegal entrant alien when restrained and held for deportation as an alien?​

The constitution doesn't distinguish between citizens and non-citizens. It specifically goes with people or persons, when it comes to rights.

So they are due exactly the same due process as any person, citizen or not.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I’m doing what I was elected to do, remove criminals from our Country, but the Courts don’t seem to want me to do that. My team is fantastic, doing an incredible job, however, they are being stymied at every turn by even the U.S. Supreme Court, which I have such great respect for, but which seemingly doesn’t want me to send violent criminals and terrorists back to Venezuela, or any other Country, for that matter — People that came here illegally! The Courts are intimidated by the Radical Left who are, “playing the Ref.” Great Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito correctly wants to dissolve the pause on deportations. He is right on this! If we don’t get these criminals out of our Country, we are not going to have a Country any longer. We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years. We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114377993807616549


Off to El Salvador!

Oh well.

 

[Redress]

The effect of the SCOTUS ruling is that the president has no authority to enforce the AEA and also created a standard whereby declaring the AEA to bee in effect requires judicial review. With this ruling Roberts effectively said that even if we have armed combatants on the streets of our cities that the president MUST NOT take action against them until some circuit court judge gives him the OK and that can't happen until after a case has been filed, after a trial has been had and after all parties have had their appeal hearing. Furthermore, he's saying that if Trump brings ANY case to the Supreme Court that they will deny him because Trump.

Well, no. Srsly dude, it is best not to talk about things you are ignorant of. Being ignorant of the law is not a terrible thing, but it does mean you probably should refrain from trying to tell others about it.

The president has the authority to enforce the AEA. The question is whether he is properly applying the AEA. And in fact this does not even say the president is misapplying the AEA, only that he cannot use it to ship out people until a ruling is made. This is not complicated stuff. Don't believe every hysterical claim by people ignorant of what they are talking about.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

We are a nation of laws and courts that make sure those laws are used within the provisions of the Federal and State Constitutions and jurisdictional ordinances.

This safe guards our liberty and protects us from abuses of power. (You know, the stuff we fought a Revolutionary War to get away from). The removal of those safeguards from ANY makes us ALL less free and less safe.

What part of any of that are those civically challenged among us having problems with?

 

[Lutherf]

Well, no. Srsly dude, it is best not to talk about things you are ignorant of. Being ignorant of the law is not a terrible thing, but it does mean you probably should refrain from trying to tell others about it.

The president has the authority to enforce the AEA. The question is whether he is properly applying the AEA. And in fact this does not even say the president is misapplying the AEA, only that he cannot use it to ship out people until a ruling is made. This is not complicated stuff. Don't believe every hysterical claim by people ignorant of what they are talking about.

SCOUTS said that he DOES NOT have that authority and that's why they put the hold on any and all deportations.

 

[upsideguy]

If people ignore or skip "due process" by ILLEGALLY entering the U.S., why then are they entitled to "due process" when we compel them to leave?

Nonsensical..... its a bit like saying if X murdered someone and deprived him of his life and liberty, why is he entitled to the due process of a trial....
If Y stole classified information and took it to his Florida home, disregarding all laws and exposing national secrets, why does he get to hide behind the courts? ..... Let's just make decisions on perception.

That is not the way it works in America, which until recently did not have a king, the king was the rule of law. Everyone is entitled to due process. It is a fundamental, constitutionally guaranteed right of everyone on American soil: citizen, green card holder, illegal alien, visitor.

The obvious logic flaw in your statement is one of determination. You are offering a leap of faith, of logic by saying a particular person in question is hear illegally without any fact finding process or opportunity to make his case. The guy you picked up maybe isn't the actual guy you are looking for or maybe he didn't enter illegally or maybe he entered illegally but is now legal because perhaps he now has a pending asylum case.

Due process doesn't ensure you get it right, but it does keep a lot of errors from happening.

 

[BabaVoss]

If people ignore or skip "due process" by ILLEGALLY entering the U.S., why then are they entitled to "due process" when we compel them to leave?

So you think we should apply due process selectively?

 

[Redress]

SCOUTS said that he DOES NOT have that authority and that's why they put the hold on any and all deportations.

You linked to the SCOTUS order, but apparently you have not read it. At no point does it say that the president does not have the authority, only that the "matter is pending before the 5th Circuit Court".

 

[Lutherf]

You linked to the SCOTUS order, but apparently you have not read it. At no point does it say that the president does not have the authority, only that the "matter is pending before the 5th Circuit Court".

The effect is the same. No deportations can be effected until the court gives the OK. If they never give the OK then no deportations.

 

[Lutherf]

We are a nation of laws and courts that make sure those laws are used within the provisions of the Federal and State Constitutions and jurisdictional ordinances.

This safe guards our liberty and protects us from abuses of power. (You know, the stuff we fought a Revolutionary War to get away from). The removal of those safeguards from ANY makes us ALL less free and less safe.

What part of any of that are those civically challenged among us having problems with?

And when the courts misapply, ignore or circumvent the law then what are we to do?

 

[dairyair]

I’m doing what I was elected to do, remove criminals from our Country, but the Courts don’t seem to want me to do that. My team is fantastic, doing an incredible job, however, they are being stymied at every turn by even the U.S. Supreme Court, which I have such great respect for, but which seemingly doesn’t want me to send violent criminals and terrorists back to Venezuela, or any other Country, for that matter — People that came here illegally! The Courts are intimidated by the Radical Left who are, “playing the Ref.” Great Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito correctly wants to dissolve the pause on deportations. He is right on this! If we don’t get these criminals out of our Country, we are not going to have a Country any longer. We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years. We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114377993807616549


Off to El Salvador!

Who would not think a felon would want to avert the laws and constitution of the USA?

No one should be surprised he doesn't have full dictorial authoritarian control. But for him.

 

[dairyair]

None of this makes a lick of difference any more since SCOTUS ruled that Trump can't deport gang members whether they are terrorists or not. At this point it looks like the courts are going to simply declare everyone that has ever set foot on US soil to be a lawful citizen and ineligible for deportation under any circumstance whatsoever.

Where, when, is this USSC ruling.

Can you supply the link?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

And when the courts misapply, ignore or circumvent the law then what are we to do?

A) Who says they are?

B) That’s is why there are THREE COEQUAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. Congress and state houses can legislate to effect change the people want.

Making Trump King doesn’t solve your problem, if it exists to begin with, it exacerbates it to the power of *WHOOPS, THERE GOES OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC*.

What do the civically challenged among us not get about that?

 

[dairyair]

If people ignore or skip "due process" by ILLEGALLY entering the U.S., why then are they entitled to "due process" when we compel them to leave?

Who determines this illegal or due process stuff?

Hint: The courts and judges.

Not hench people.

 

[j brown's body]

The left: More judges

The Right: More police