Dubai update

[Tashah]

Hamas aide: Assassinated leader smuggled weapons

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The right-hand man of a Hamas leader assassinated in Dubai has confirmed Israeli claims that his boss supplied weapons to Palestinian militants. Mohammed Nassar spoke to Hamas' Al Aqsa radio in Gaza from Damascus. A transcript was released Tuesday.

Nassar was an aide to Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was assassinated Jan. 19. Israel is widely suspected, but has not confirmed or denied involvement. Al-Mabhouh allegedly smuggled weapons from Iran to Gaza. Nassar says al-Mabhouh "never stopped thinking about how to fight the occupation by supplying quality weapons to the Palestinian fighters." The aide also describes how al-Mabhouh celebrated killing two Israeli soldiers in the mid-1980s by standing on one of the corpses.

Israel's Mossad spy agency is widely suspected of carrying out the Jan. 19 slaying of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in a luxury Dubai hotel, but Israel has neither confirmed nor denied involvement. Israel claims al-Mabhouh was a major player in smuggling weapons to Hamas militants who control the Gaza Strip and attacked Israel with bombs, rockets and mortars for years.

Dubai police say 26 suspects (including six women) used fake British, Irish, French and Australian passports of real people in the assassination. At least 15 of the suspects share names with Israeli citizens, who say they were victims of identity theft and deny having been in Dubai.

Dubai police say they are convinced that Israel assassinated al-Mabhouh, who was also wanted in the 1989 killing of two Israeli soldiers. They contend al-Mahbouh's assassins used a powerful muscle relaxant to incapacitate him before suffocating him with a pillow in his hotel room.

On Monday, Dubai police announced that dual-national Israelis arriving on foreign passports would be barred from entering. Voice and face profiling will be used to detect Israeli citizens.

Source: Associated Press

They could detect I am Israeli by voice and face profiling? :bs

 

[Apocalypse]

So now it's not only banning people by their nationality, but by their second nationality too.

Next they'll go for parents who used to be Israeli, and then they'll start going for grandfathers and beyond.

What a backwards ****hole. :2razz:

 

[justabubba]

So now it's not only banning people by their nationality, but by their second nationality too.

Next they'll go for parents who used to be Israeli, and then they'll start going for grandfathers and beyond.

What a backwards ****hole. :2razz:

how backwards they are to want to take action to keep out murderers

 

[mbig]

how backwards they are to want to take action to keep out murderers

So you Endorse keeping out ALL the Nationals of a country becasue a Few from that country Probably assassinated someone.
Including "Israelis-by-Physical-feature"... JEWS.

"We will not allow those who hold Israeli passports into the UAE no matter What other passport they have," Tamim said.

He did not explain what procedures would be used to identify the Israeli visitors, except that police would "develop skills" to recognize Israelis by "Physical Features and the way they speak."

Dubai will use profiling to detect arriving Israelis | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/02/2010

Consistent with this position you would Screen all Arab/Arab looking passengers Off Western Airlines/Into Western countries.
Especially Saudis.
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[spud_meister]

how backwards they are to want to take action to keep out murderers

yeah, otherwise the murderers would be killed by mossad

 

[Tashah]

police would "develop skills" to recognize Israelis by "Physical Features and the way they speak."

This is some laughable crap here.

Physical features? How does one go about that when Israel has citizens of every race and color and from every continent?

The way they speak? I have an American southern accent.

Basically, almost anyone could be an Israeli. Good luck with that plan. Especially when it starts impacting the UAE's highly touted tourist industry.

 

[Apocalypse]

how backwards they are to want to take action to keep out murderers

Because Israeli nationality = murder.

Wow.

 

[Apocalypse]

So you Endorse keeping out ALL the Nationals of a country becasue a Few from that country Probably assassinated someone.

And that someone is a terrorist, and there's no proof that Mossad is behind it.

 

[Degreez]

This is some laughable crap here.

Physical features? How does one go about that when Israel has citizens of every race and color and from every continent?

The way they speak? I have an American southern accent.

Basically, almost anyone could be an Israeli. Good luck with that plan. Especially when it starts impacting the UAE's highly touted tourist industry.

Weird. This same stuff goes on in America everyday with Muslims. Discrimination based on physical features, accents, nationality, etc.

 

[Areopagitican]

Watch out you individuals with long noses and curly, short, brown hair.

Also, while in Dubai, do not pick up change from the floor. It's a trap.

 

[digsbe]

This is laughable. What about Arabs that live in Israel? I honestly think a policy like this is racist because there is no way to detect someone's nationality based off of their physical features and I would imagine they are targeting Jews. Only in an Arab nation could you be kept out for looking like a Jew... well I do have to give kudos to the UAE for allowing Israelis in the country in the first place. Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen all prevent anyone with a Jewish passport (or anyone who has an Israeli visa in their passport) from entering their countries... The Middle East is such a backwards, racist, and oppressive part of the world.

 

[danarhea]

This is some laughable crap here.

Physical features? How does one go about that when Israel has citizens of every race and color and from every continent?

The way they speak? I have an American southern accent.

Basically, almost anyone could be an Israeli. Good luck with that plan. Especially when it starts impacting the UAE's highly touted tourist industry.

I can hear it now...... "Chai, y'all". :mrgreen:

On a more serious side, Houston has a rather large Jewish community, and many have a pronounced Texas drawl.

 

[spud_meister]

i'd just keep out anyone that was cracking jokes that could be from a mel brooks film

 

[Catz Part Deux]

I can hear it now...... "Chai, y'all". :mrgreen:

On a more serious side, Houston has a rather large Jewish community, and many have a pronounced Texas drawl.

This is so true. It's kind of hilarious, really. The African American cowboy community is also pretty fun. Texas ends up impacting immigrants more than immigrants impact Texas. Even the Latino immigrants, within one generation, have a pronounced southern drawl.

 

[CJ 2.0]

all of this is kind of silly.

You all know they mean Jews, right?

They are going to look for Jews, using the proto-typical German parody and various other stereotypes ("we are going to train our people to recognize them...", and if they identify someone as Jewish they will not be able to dismiss the possibility that the person may be Israeli (cause all Jews could be Israeli), even if the person has no Israeli passport and has never been to Israel.

All of this is just a thin veneer attempt at respectibility (psst, say Israeli, not Jew) for what is really just an open statement that no Jews are allowed.

Amazing that they have not been called on it.

And earlier commentors are right. They keep out terrorist scumbags like the guy who got whacked, and they don't have a mossad problem anymore.

Course, I don't recall them banning Russians after the KGB (or whatever they call themselves now) offed a few Chechens there a few years back. But of course, those Russians wern't Jews.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

And earlier commentors are right. They keep out terrorist scumbags like the guy who got whacked, and they don't have a mossad problem anymore.

So, you're okay with the Mossad entering a sovereign nation using fraudulent (stolen) identities, and killing someone because they feel like it should be done?

Just curious.

 

[Tashah]

So, you're okay with the Mossad entering a sovereign nation using fraudulent (stolen) identities, and killing someone because they feel like it should be done? Just curious.

In this case yes. I have no qualms about terminating someone who for years has been engaged in procuring munitions from Iran which have killed and terrorized innumerable Israeli civilians. He certainly wasn't in Dubai again to play the casinos.

This wasn't a pickpocket or something equally benign. This was a killer who was responsible for untold misery, now in Dubai seeking to add to that ledger. He would kill me and mine in a heartbeat.

Whoever did the good dead has my deep appreciation and gratitude.

 

[Apocalypse]

So, you're okay with the Mossad entering a sovereign nation using fraudulent (stolen) identities, and killing someone because they feel like it should be done?

Just curious.

Yes.





:2razz:

 

[Catz Part Deux]

This wasn't a pickpocket or something equally benign. This was a killer who was responsible for untold misery, now in Dubai seeking to add to that ledger. He would kill me and mine in a heartbeat.

Whoever did the good dead has my deep appreciation and gratitude.

I get that he's a bad guy. The ends don't justify the means.

For the record, I would not support agents of the U.S. doing this, either. And I know we have.

 

[Captain America]

So, you're okay with the Mossad entering a sovereign nation using fraudulent (stolen) identities, and killing someone because they feel like it should be done?

Just curious.

Hmmmm.

Lemme think......

Yeah.

I'm ok with that.

 

[CJ 2.0]

well, yes. Where that other nation won't go after him. Like in Europe with the PLO in the 70s and this guy now.

Cause these guys are actively fighting a war against Israel, using these safe havens as a screen to hide behind while lobbing bombs.

Well, the war can be taken to them too, can't it?

 

[CJ 2.0]

I get that he's a bad guy. The ends don't justify the means.

For the record, I would not support agents of the U.S. doing this, either. And I know we have.

and so have lots of opther countries.

Reality and bubble ethics don't always gel together so well.

Let me ask a hypothetical question of you, then (I answered yours, incidentally):

How many innocents would you be prepared to see die because of your moral objections to taking out baddies with hit squards in other countries?

And I am not talking about the specifics of this case, or whether it really saved lives or anything else. I am talking abstract first principles.

You stated a view. it is not unrespectable. But it could have some messy implications.

How messy is too messy?

Just trying to flesh this out a bit.

 

[Catz Part Deux]

How many innocents would you be prepared to see die because of your moral objections to taking out baddies with hit squards in other countries?

How messy is too messy?

Just trying to flesh this out a bit.

I believe in the rule of law, period. When we stop following the laws that keep us human, we become what we pretend to be fighting against.

Stealing identities, violating sovereignity of nations...that's over the line.

 

[mbig]

I believe in the rule of law, period. When we stop following the laws that keep us human, we become what we pretend to be fighting against.

Stealing identities, violating sovereignity of nations...that's over the line.

Ooooh!
So indignant we are!

And btw, there is a previous/original string on this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/66630-excellent-kill.html
Many have already expressed their opinions there.


The Shock of Dubai
Mitchell Cohen
Feb 23, 2010/Huffpost
Mitchell Cohen: The Shock of Dubai

I am shocked -- shocked! -- to learn that intelligence services use fraudulent passports and stolen identities.

Who Would have Imagined it? Nobody, certainly, had Israel's Mossad not been accused recently of subterfuge in order to assassinate in Dubai a leading figure of Hamas, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

I am heartened that the governments of Britain, Ireland, France, and Germany have demanded explanations. And I am buoyed to hear loud moral complaints from the usual political quarters that are always wise to Israeli behavior. They are Outraged -- Outraged! -- that such things take place. Intelligence services of European countries would never do the like. Their secret operatives, if they have any, that is, always travel on their own passports and always check into hotels using their Own identities.

Undoubtedly, Hamas also does things solely in public. Well, it is true that this claim may be challenged by the fact that Hamas "martyrs" never went through Ben-Gurion airport on the way to Tel Aviv. Well, yes, that may be due to a lack of Palestinian passports. Just think if they had them! They could have used them on behalf of the sort of "resistance" -- blowing up cafes, shelling towns -- that encourages Israelis to support doves who advocate withdrawal from occupied territories. Besides, doesn't Hamas reveal its 'martyrs' faces after the fact?
[..........]
Hamas and Israel are at war. Both say so. Al-Mabhouh was a founder of the military wing of Hamas, was responsible for the deaths of Israelis, wanted deaths of many more of them, and was a key intermediary between Hamas and Iran. Tehran supplies Gaza's fundamentalist rulers with weapons like longer range missiles; its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, inveighs regularly that the Jewish state should vanish from the earth (like the Holocaust, which never happened anyway, should disappear from memory). Exactly why is a holy warrior like al-Mahbouh not a legitimate target?
[.............]

 

[Orion]

It's unethical, but hardly shocking. The whole region is effed up.