Clearly, we must make everything with no medicinal benefit illegal.
Yeah, that sounds like a winning plan. :roll:
They ain't taking my water ballons away!!!!
WOW, do you really want me to fill this entire thread with the facts of drug abuse on people? and what even moderate use can do to children as well as adults?
where are you getting your facts from? do you honestly believe that the benefits that Marijuana has some some conditions out weigh its risks? you should have listed the cons as well, because there are friken tons of them hence why it is schedule 1
socially, all you have to do is look at the adverse effects that alcohol abuse has on them.
"
Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover."
there are your economic losses and your social losses,
Use your brain, you think a drug addict interacts normally? that they can preform the same kind of productivity as their non-smoking counterparts?
and though it made me laugh, your moronic argument that a a lima beam hasnt really advanced the human race isn't relevant to what i ment in context. the point is that A lima bean hasnt HURT us.
Sure people abuse prescription drugs, But is that a good thing??? you made that point as to justify the abuse of Marijuana and other drugs. My aunt abbused prescription drugs and she is ****ed up now, My dad was on some heavy drugs including Marijuana and killed himself. My grandpa who was a symphony violinist, ruined his life with alcohol addiction.
something tells me these cases are not isolated incidents...
Is that enough proof for you? want me to tell you the social impact that has had on my life and my family around me not to have my dad in my life?
there is the social impact for you, and as for the moral impact, i guess that is more of a personal belief your right.
here is a statistic..
There have been over 7,000 published scientific and medical studies documenting the damage that marijuana poses. Not one study has shown marijuana to be safe.
"Marijuanaaddiction.info"
Marinol is prescribed to treat nausea in chemotherapy patients. Since it comes in pill form, this method of delivery is counter-intuitive to the symptoms it is designed to alleviate. As such, many people suffering from nausea find it difficult to keep Marinol pills down, and they find it much easier to acquire their THC through smoked marijuana instead.If the active ingredient in Marijuana is already legal and is in a drug, then why would there be any need to actually do the drug.
The notion that marijuana use would increase if legalized is not supported by any relevant studies on the subject. Please see this post for details.Loss of productivity on an economic scale, loss of virtue on a moral scale, and loss of social stability with those around any addict are problems that we face as a society by the increased use of Marijuana if it is legalized.
WOW, do you really want me to fill this entire thread with the facts of drug abuse on people? and what even moderate use can do to children as well as adults?
where are you getting your facts from? do you honestly believe that the benefits that Marijuana has some some conditions out weigh its risks? you should have listed the cons as well, because there are friken tons of them hence why it is schedule 1
...socially, all you have to do is look at the adverse effects that alcohol abuse has on them.
"
Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover."
there are your economic losses and your social losses,
Use your brain, you think a drug addict interacts normally? that they can preform the same kind of productivity as their non-smoking counterparts?
and though it made me laugh, your moronic argument that a a lima beam hasnt really advanced the human race isn't relevant to what i ment in context. the point is that A lima bean hasnt HURT us.
Sure people abuse prescription drugs, But is that a good thing??? you made that point as to justify the abuse of Marijuana and other drugs. My aunt abbused prescription drugs and she is ****ed up now, My dad was on some heavy drugs including Marijuana and killed himself. My grandpa who was a symphony violinist, ruined his life with alcohol addiction.
something tells me these cases are not isolated incidents...
Is that enough proof for you? want me to tell you the social impact that has had on my life and my family around me not to have my dad in my life?
there is the social impact for you, and as for the moral impact, i guess that is more of a personal belief your right.
here is a statistic..
There have been over 7,000 published scientific and medical studies documenting the damage that marijuana poses. Not one study has shown marijuana to be safe.
"Marijuanaaddiction.info"
What does any of that have to do with doctors being able to prescribe smoked marijuana in the legitimate practice of medicine?WOW, do you really want me to fill this entire thread with the facts of drug abuse on people? and what even moderate use can do to children as well as adults?
where are you getting your facts from? do you honestly believe that the benefits that Marijuana has some some conditions out weigh its risks? you should have listed the cons as well, because there are friken tons of them hence why it is schedule 1
socially, all you have to do is look at the adverse effects that alcohol abuse has on them.
"
Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover."
there are your economic losses and your social losses,
Use your brain, you think a drug addict interacts normally? that they can preform the same kind of productivity as their non-smoking counterparts?
and though it made me laugh, your moronic argument that a a lima beam hasnt really advanced the human race isn't relevant to what i ment in context. the point is that A lima bean hasnt HURT us.
Sure people abuse prescription drugs, But is that a good thing??? you made that point as to justify the abuse of Marijuana and other drugs. My aunt abbused prescription drugs and she is ****ed up now, My dad was on some heavy drugs including Marijuana and killed himself. My grandpa who was a symphony violinist, ruined his life with alcohol addiction.
something tells me these cases are not isolated incidents...
Is that enough proof for you? want me to tell you the social impact that has had on my life and my family around me not to have my dad in my life?
there is the social impact for you, and as for the moral impact, i guess that is more of a personal belief your right.
here is a statistic..
There have been over 7,000 published scientific and medical studies documenting the damage that marijuana poses. Not one study has shown marijuana to be safe.
"Marijuanaaddiction.info"
If the active ingredient in Marijuana is already legal and is in a drug, then why would there be any need to actually do the drug.
MR. Roth said:simply people like it, they are addicted, and they are using semi-logical arguments to prevent their addiction from being suddenly taken away from them.
Mr. Roth said:Loss of productivity on an economic scale, loss of virtue on a moral scale, and loss of social stability with those around any addict are problems that we face as a society by the increased use of Marijuana if it is legalized.
Yes I do. If that's what it takes for you to miraculously debunk the very strong pro-marijuana argument. I say you better get started. Oh, and while you're on your morality pony whipping it for all it's worth, because that's what you're doing, you should address soft drinks, cigarettes, fast food, and porn.WOW, do you really want me to fill this entire thread with the facts of drug abuse on people? and what even moderate use can do to children as well as adults?
Yes I do believe the benefits outweigh the risks. It's been medically proven. As a vice it's no more harmful than cigarettes, and it's much less harmful than a heavy alcohol intake.where are you getting your facts from? do you honestly believe that the benefits that Marijuana has some some conditions out weigh its risks? you should have listed the cons as well, because there are friken tons of them hence why it is schedule 1
But we you can't compare alcohol and marijuana. It's apples and oranges. Different ingredients have different effects upon the body. Different dosages have an impact as well.socially, all you have to do is look at the adverse effects that alcohol abuse has on them.
Yeah, it's an intoxicant. We know that. Nobody is advocating that you smoke and drive, smoke an work, smoke and take care do brain surgery. Your argument that marijuana is bad because it's an intoxicant is lame. So is morphine (which is truly addictive), but it's okay for medical use."
Effects on Daily Life
Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse. In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status.11 Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover."
Yeah, so why don't you put some numbers to this. I hear you complaining about the "losses" so why don't you go ahead and quantify those for us. Your opinion will not suffice here.there are your economic losses and your social losses,
We're talking about casual pot smokers, not drug addicts. Stop injecting additional aggravating factors. You're also assuming that the pot smoker will show up to work high. Again that is not an issue of marijuana benefit or risk, but of personal responsibility.Use your brain, you think a drug addict interacts normally? that they can preform the same kind of productivity as their non-smoking counterparts?
And you've not articulated how marijuana has HURT us. You have got on your soap box and beat your chest about morality and virtue, which is the truly moronic argument in this thread, yet provided no proof that marijuana is what is actually hurting this society. Two words for you Roth...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.and though it made me laugh, your moronic argument that a a lima beam hasnt really advanced the human race isn't relevant to what i ment in context. the point is that A lima bean hasnt HURT us.
No, I was making a statement about the hypocrisy of this nation that has legalized prescription drug abuse and alcohol abuse yet we continue to vilify marijuana for no intelligent reason. All those stories of yours are very sad. And they are all an issue of personal responsibility.Sure people abuse prescription drugs, But is that a good thing??? you made that point as to justify the abuse of Marijuana and other drugs. My aunt abbused prescription drugs and she is ****ed up now, My dad was on some heavy drugs including Marijuana and killed himself. My grandpa who was a symphony violinist, ruined his life with alcohol addiction.
That would be common sense.something tells me these cases are not isolated incidents...
You don't need to tell me anything about your family. I have a brother who is a homeless meth addict, a sister strung out prescription pain killers and psych drugs, most of my cousins are meth or heroin addicts. I got your family sob story and then some pal. In every case it's a matter of the person not being responsible in their behavior. I also worked a decade and a half fighting the "War on Drugs" as a cop, spent two and half years leading a drug task force. We can compare notes on the impacts of all kinds of drugs.Is that enough proof for you? want me to tell you the social impact that has had on my life and my family around me not to have my dad in my life?
Back at ya.there is the social impact for you, and as for the moral impact, i guess that is more of a personal belief your right.
Cup cakes are not safe. Mountain Dew is not safe. Oxycontin is not safe. All are legal. But when the user throws responsibility out the window and abuses the substance, whatever it is, there are potentially bad results.here is a statistic..
There have been over 7,000 published scientific and medical studies documenting the damage that marijuana poses. Not one study has shown marijuana to be safe.
"Marijuanaaddiction.info"
The notion that marijuana use would increase if legalized is not supported by any relevant studies on the subject. Please see this post for details.
Yes.do you honestly believe that the benefits that Marijuana has some some conditions out weigh its risks?
LOL hahahaIn my career as a cop I never ONCE fought a stoner.
LOL hahaha
He was prob'ly gonna fight you later when he was finished doing whatever he wasn't doing. Just not right now--didn't want to kill his buzz.
very funny
From WAMM.
From the N.Y. Times
Those are just the first two examples I pulled up referencing the medical benefits of marijuana.
Your opinion is not supported by any fact. The facts are that personal responsibility is what is at issue here. People abuse prescription drugs just as much as they do marijuana. Easily.
You can take your moral argument and wrap it around the board that...well I'll reserve that comment. Your "moral" argument is irrelevant on all levels and has no place in this discussion. You have absolutely no credible argument regarding marijuana's effect on "virtue." Where do you come up with this argument anyway?
What difference does that make? What have lima beans "really done to advance society?" How about soft drinks? Or cupcakes? Or Big Macs? What I see in your post is your desire to have the morality police tell us how to live. That is your basic argument. That is not neither reasonable nor intelligent.
Now why don't you actually make a reasonable and intelligent argument against marijuana?
The medical benefits of marijuana alone are enough justification to take it off Schedule 1.
Ok, thank you. So, tell me, how many drugs are there on the market that do all the same things and don't cause cancer?
Only if you'll tell me all of the abuse related risks that go along with all the other drugs on the market.
How about you come with an actual argument?
Speaking of 70 years of effective propaganda :doh
Any addiction there may be to MJ is psychological, there is NO physical addiction. Alcohol or nicotine on the other hand...
MJ is not physically addicting!
Yes I do believe the benefits outweigh the risks. It's been medically proven. As a vice it's no more harmful than cigarettes, and it's much less harmful than a heavy alcohol intake.
Yeah, it's an intoxicant. We know that. Nobody is advocating that you smoke and drive, smoke an work, smoke and take care do brain surgery. Your argument that marijuana is bad because it's an intoxicant is lame. So is morphine (which is truly addictive), but it's okay for medical use.
What you are arguing is a matter of personal responsibility. If you smoke ten blunts a day, every day you're gonna have problems if you have a job. Unless your job is a pot quality control tester. You want to regulate personal personal responsibility. Your logic is ****ed because the government cannot do that. The human desire for vices cannot be managed by regulation.
Yeah, so why don't you put some numbers to this. I hear you complaining about the "losses" so why don't you go ahead and quantify those for us. Your opinion will not suffice here.
We're talking about casual pot smokers, not drug addicts. Stop injecting additional aggravating factors. You're also assuming that the pot smoker will show up to work high. Again that is not an issue of marijuana benefit or risk, but of personal responsibility.
And you've not articulated how marijuana has HURT us. You have got on your soap box and beat your chest about morality and virtue, which is the truly moronic argument in this thread, yet provided no proof that marijuana is what is actually hurting this society. Two words for you Roth...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
No, I was making a statement about the hypocrisy of this nation that has legalized prescription drug abuse and alcohol abuse yet we continue to vilify marijuana for no intelligent reason. All those stories of yours are very sad. And they are all an issue of personal responsibility.
Cup cakes are not safe. Mountain Dew is not safe. Oxycontin is not safe. All are legal. But when the user throws responsibility out the window and abuses the substance, whatever it is, there are potentially bad results.
Let's get to the real reason you don't blindly reject all the studies that prove the medical benefits of marijuana and go on to vilify it like it's Satan incarnate.
The problem is not the herb, the problem is your inability to cope with the decisions your loved ones made and the impact those decisions had on you personally. I've been there.
"The daily use of 1 to 3 marijuana joints can produce the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking five times as many cigarettes."
I actually have an issue. If even one person who didn't smoke because of the illegality of weed decided to try it after it was legalized, then legalization increased the usage of marijuana.
But here the thing...WHO CARES? If usage goes up 10 percent...so what? Somebody relaxing with friends and smoking some bud is much better all around than a bar full of raging drunks.
I hope it does increase usage. A large portion of society enjoys getting intoxicated in some way...let's face it, the reasons are many, but the desire is there. In my career as a cop I never ONCE fought a stoner. I fought countless drunks and meth users.
Let the people have their herb.
Does anyone actually think that in the current climate that a bill could get passed legalizing weed?
Sen. Jim Webbs commission on prison reform is going to address this issue, and if the bi-partisan commission can come to a unanimous conclusion then maybe afterwords there could be some support built. Right now it is a face off of pure political partisanship.
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