MaggieD
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Eight people were shot -- one fatally -- in a drive-by shooting in which two men fired on a group of people at a home in the Lawndale neighborhood Saturday evening, authorities said. At least one of the shooters used a rifle and casings were recovered at the scene, police said. At least 67 people have been shot across the city since Wednesday afternoon this long holiday weekend, 11 fatally.
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
I'd kill them by random shooting. Place them up against the wall and I'll have a computer randomly select where they're to be shot (foot, eye, dick, etc.). Repeat this process until they're clearly dead.
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
You will not significantly affect the statistics by lengthening the punishment period for these forms of gang related crimes. First, we already throw more people into jail than any other country in the world. If this "jail time equals less crime" hypothesis were correct, we'd be the safest nation on the planet. One can argue that perhaps this sort of crime should carry more time with it as punishment, but we shouldn't think that increasing the time is going to change anything. It won't.
Many of the people involved in perpetrating these crimes have already resolved themselves to die on the streets or in jail and this is just part of that culture. The mentality is that through legal means, one will never advance and can not improve their lot, they are stuck, they are trapped, and acting in this manner is the only way to obtain any amount of relative wealth even though it's the morgue or the jailhouse. In many ways, they are correct. The death of economic mobility is trapping many of the very poor into the very poor state. And then you just hit up the cycle.
It's not individual levels that are going to produce any change. It's not even at the community level. "Cleaning up communities from the inside" is only part of the solution, but it's a socioeconomic driver and you have to start there to figure out if there is a solution and how to actually achieve it if you want to affect the overall statistics.
the first thing to do is to end the allure of one mope fathering 4-6 children with 3-5 "baby moms"-this is the source of many of those you speak of
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
How do we fix this? (honest question)There is not much here to comment on. You are correct that "the system" is broken. Out of these 67 recent shootings (11 fatal) how many resulted in even an arrest? What is usually missing are any witnesses, as they fear being placed on the drive by hit list themselves if they dare to give a police statement or (-gasp-) testify. You are addressing the possible sentences when there is no charge, trial or system in place to mete out any criminal sentence to begin with. If each trial took only one week then that ties up a judge, jury and courtroom for well over a year simply to deal with only 4 days of shooting crime.
Anyone using a firearm in the commission. Of a crime should be going to jail for life. No special conditions needed.... You get convicted of the crime and you had a gun with you at the time... Life without Parole. No other option.
You do realize that as badly broken as our society now is, that a law written according to the principle that you have just described would unavoidably end up being abused to put people in prison for life for a “crime” that consists of nothing more than legitimately exercising their rights as affirmed by the Second Amendment. As long as we allow our corrupt government to treat the exercise of this right as a “crime”, it is dangerous to give them any more authority than they have already illegitimately claimed to punish this “crime”.
I see no reason to single guns out in particular. The use of any deadly force, or threat thereof, against an innocent target, in the absence of mitigating circumstances, ought to be enough to call for a life-without-parole sentence, or death.
How do we fix this? (honest question)
The only way that occurs to me is for the police to stop being so petty and draconian in poorer neighborhoods, and to lighten up on the so-called drug war. But, that takes a long time to sink in and have any affect. What do we do in the mean time?
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
Originally Posted by MaggieD
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
Two shot were 5- and 7-year-old boys.
If we had special legislation (like hate-crime legislation) to cover drive-by shootings or shooting into a crowd that carried a life sentence, I think these drive-by shootings would stop.
Innocents are dying. What we're doing is obviously not working. Get these animals off the streets for good, I say.
You?
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