Dozens of Major Businesses Have Left the US

[Karl]

Re: Picking winners or losers

You are not a serious person. Understood. You cannot prove your assertions. I knew that before we started. You can be safely disregarded.

Don't blame ya one bit for running away :2wave:

 

[Obama-mama]

So you don't mind being exploited? You don't mind those jobs being essentially held hostage in exchange for a company sucking wealth out of the country? American workers would do a whole lot better with a different company that held some loyalty to its employees and country. I'm sure the free market could find one to fill the void, couldn't it?

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How am I being exploited? You don't like what a company is doing, don't buy their product. Period.

You better worry more about being exploited my our government. They can write all kinds of laws to exploit you to death.

 

[Misterveritis]

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How am I being exploited? You don't like what a company is doing, don't buy their product. Period.

You better worry more about being exploited my our government. They can write all kinds of laws to exploit you to death.

...and beyond death.

 

[gdgyva]

So you don't mind being exploited? You don't mind those jobs being essentially held hostage in exchange for a company sucking wealth out of the country? American workers would do a whole lot better with a different company that held some loyalty to its employees and country. I'm sure the free market could find one to fill the void, couldn't it?

how is he, or i, or you being exploited?

a company is using laws on the books....put into law by people WE put into office, to try and offset taxes....

i would do the exact same thing....today, tomorrow, and everyday

that is their job....to make their company as profitable as possible

what is it you guys dont get about that?

companies arent in business to be liked or loved....

they arent in business to give the government money

they are in business to make money, and to give investors a good return on their money

that is the extent of their job....nothing less.....nothing more

 

[274ina]

"Only someone who has no appreciation for liberty or freedom could call for such a thing."
We agree. Totalitarians do, in fact, do it all the time. Totalitarians are a vile lot.


They were shaken down by a very evil government. One led by a Marxist totalitarian.

Who were the victims? How did an oil spill in the gulf caused by the US government's policies create all of these millions of victims? Why do you believe it was acceptable for the US government to act as a corrupt criminal enterprise?


Is this "stream of consciousness" typing? What point were you trying to make?


When you get excited you really do begin to babble. Do you realize this?


I see. And the totalitarian in you rejoices because the US government has become far more dangerous to the people than any historical criminal enterprise? Awesome.


Freedom, to a totalitarian, is bull ****. Got it. In fact I think it sums up the reason why people like you must be hated and reviled by all reasonable people. Do you agree?

Fascism is an ugly thing. You are a fascist and your government is fascistic. Totalitarianism is so ugly and repulsive.

And the State of the People rules the corp every day and time.

the gulf spill created by the Gov? You mean the regulators that were bribed and paid off by corrupt BP? Or the moronic BP drilling engineers that
skipped about 10 tests or safety items that lead t o disaster? I read the full story about BP. 100% of the fault is with them. If they had paid ~ $250,000 in
tests and proper equipment, like battery's for the blowout preventer, they would not have lost billions.


And you spout BS....................

 

[Misterveritis]

Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

And the State of the People rules the corp every day and time.

I need a translation into American English, please.

the gulf spill created by the Gov?

Yes. The radical environmentalists who live inside our totalitarian government infrastructure prevented oil companies from drilling in the shallower waters closer to the shore. Forcing oil companies to drill in far deeper waters is the root cause of the spill. It is far riskier to drill in deep waters than drilling in shallow waters or on land.

You mean the regulators that were bribed and paid off by corrupt BP?

I am sure you can point to trials and convictions of regulators and their corresponding criminals in the pay of oil companies.
It should be easy for you to provide as you are speaking with such certitude.

Or the moronic BP drilling engineers that skipped about 10 tests or safety items that lead to disaster?

Are you familiar with how testing works? Tests begin with requirements. Tests are used to ensure that requirements have been met. For any requirement there may be dozens of alternative ways to determine that the requirement has been met.

If you are interested in exploring this further, and based on your heroic claim below, this should also be easy for you to do.

I read the full story about BP.

Really? The full story, if it exists at all is probably hundreds of thousands of pages of materials.

100% of the fault is with them. If they had paid ~ $250,000 in
tests and proper equipment, like battery's for the blowout preventer, they would not have lost billions.

A deep water test is probably way more than a quarter of a million dollars. This indicates that your "full story" was probably a few paragraphs from an anti-oil left wing website.

BP was shaken down for billions by the US government.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

Yes. The radical environmentalists who live inside our totalitarian government infrastructure prevented oil companies from drilling in the shallower waters closer to the shore. Forcing oil companies to drill in far deeper waters is the root cause of the spill. It is far riskier to drill in deep waters than drilling in shallow waters or on land..

Just when you thought you heard every kooky rightwing theory to absolve corporations for irresponsible behavior and blame people who try to make the world better, you read this bit of madness.

 

[Misterveritis]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

Just when you thought you heard every kooky rightwing theory to absolve corporations for irresponsible behavior and blame people who try to make the world better, you read this bit of madness.

I agree it is madness. Marxist environmentalist madness. It is people like you who sow chaos wherever you go.

 

[iliveonramen]

This is one of the most self-absorbed analysis I've ever seen. US might be a 14 trillion economy and a large market but this fails in basic business analysis. Fast Food industry in the US accounts for $195 billion (projection for 2014). Fast Food industry in the US come 2018 is projected to be $210 billion. So for 4 years you will average growth $3.75 billion per year. That $3.75 billion is gonna be split by close to 50 chains around the country. That's less then $100m in growth over 4 years. That's piss poor.

So if you are a fast food service, you've already taped out the US market. There is no future growth possibilities without massive front end costs (i.e. Marketing) and you are competing with other competitors. So to any business looking to expand it's growth, they seek not the US market but China, India, and Africa markets in which instead of reaching 300m possible customers (obviously some repeats) you are seeking 3 billion customers in China, India and Africa.

So a sound business plan is consolidate with another firm (Tim Hortons in this case), move HQ to a low corporate tax rate to off set front end costs in expanding in China, India and Africa.

Not really sure how your post is connected to mine. You seem to be talking about growth strategies for a company that already has access to US markets.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

I agree it is madness. Marxist environmentalist madness. It is people like you who sow chaos wherever you go.

What a comeback! Next you'll be calling for HUAC to investigate the Sierra Club.

 

[austrianecon]

Not really sure how your post is connected to mine. You seem to be talking about growth strategies for a company that already has access to US markets.

No, I am pointing out US market is small beans in the world market. When the world is 7 billion. US is just 4.44% of the world population. So why would a company limit itself to the US market by HQing in the US, pay higher US taxes for small beans?

 

[Misterveritis]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

What a comeback! Next you'll be calling for HUAC to investigate the Sierra Club.

The Sierra Club is a radical environmental organization. It is the new home of the former communists, Marxists, Progressives, liberals, fascists and statists. It is just one more totalitarian-left organization.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

The Sierra Club is a radical environmental organization. It is the new home of the former communists, Marxists, Progressives, liberals, fascists and statists. It is just one more totalitarian-left organization.

You've lived up to my expectations.

 

[Misterveritis]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

You've lived up to my expectations.

A member huh? I am not surprised.

 

[iliveonramen]

No, I am pointing out US market is small beans in the world market. When the world is 7 billion. US is just 4.44% of the world population. So why would a company limit itself to the US market by HQing in the US, pay higher US taxes for small beans?

Population is one thing, wealth used to buy goods is another. Americans disposable income last time I saw the number was something like 37 thousand a year. Thats income after the basic necessities are paid for. On the other hand the average yearly wage in China is a about 7,200 last I checked. A US citizen has about 5 times more in disposable income than what Chinese person makes in total.

 

[imagep]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

I agree it is madness. Marxist environmentalist madness. It is people like you who sow chaos wherever you go.

Are you sure it isn't just the tourism industry trying to protect it's industry? You may be confusing people protecting their personal business interests with "environmentalist".

 

[cpwill]

It's failing as a libertarian (almost anarchist) state also.

Which only proves that the best answer is rarely going to be at the extreme. Moderation is key to virtually all success.

Libertarian =/= Anarchy.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

Just when you thought you heard every kooky rightwing theory to absolve corporations for irresponsible behavior and blame people who try to make the world better, you read this bit of madness.

....you do realize what he said (well, perhaps except for the hyperbole about the government being totalitarian) is in fact accurate? Environmentalists did push oil companies out to the very edge of possible drilling, increasing the actual risk of spillage.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

....you do realize what he said (well, perhaps except for the hyperbole about the government being totalitarian) is in fact accurate? Environmentalists did push oil companies out to the very edge of possible drilling, increasing the actual risk of spillage.

First, no it isn't true.

Second, it wasn't environmentalists but democracy -- you know, you elect people and pass laws.

Third, deep water drilling isn't a license for negligence.

Finally, he said a lot more than that -- he said the Sierra Club was a Marxist organization. Stoooopid. And here you are, defending such stupidity.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

First, no it isn't true.

Yes, it is. Rigs in the skyline are all icky and stuff, so put a so-many-miles ban on them so they have to be way out there. :roll: idiocy. But then, no one ever accused these people of foresight or consistency.

Second, it wasn't environmentalists but democracy -- you know, you elect people and pass laws.

That's interesting. So you believe that environmentalists do not play any role in our government?

Third, deep water drilling isn't a license for negligence.

True. Neither is playing pro football. But you are much more likely to get injured in the NFL than you are working as an accountant, and you are much more likely to have a serious problem deep water drilling than shallow water drilling.

Finally, he said a lot more than that -- he said the Sierra Club was a Marxist organization. Stoooopid. And here you are, defending such stupidity.

:shrug: I agreed his language was hyperbolic and pointed out only that his point about the oil companies being pushed way offshore by the people who supposedly wanted to Protect The Shoreline was correct.

 

[Misterveritis]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

First, no it isn't true.

Second, it wasn't environmentalists but democracy -- you know, you elect people and pass laws.

Third, deep water drilling isn't a license for negligence.

Finally, he said a lot more than that -- he said the Sierra Club was a Marxist organization. Stoooopid. And here you are, defending such stupidity.

I said the Sierra Club is the new home for Marxists, socialists, Progressives, liberals, statists, no-growthers, every wrongheaded person...

You know I am right.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

I said the Sierra Club is the new home for Marxists, socialists, Progressives, liberals, statists, no-growthers, every wrongheaded person...

You know I am right.

Not only are you NOT right, it doesn't matter if it was so. What you are arguing is basically an ad hominem -- 'marxists, socialists, Progressives, liberals, statists, no-growthers are bad, so if I equate the Sierra Club with these groups, they become bad as well.'

But I think this breaks down to the erroneous belief that one can't have economic growth and also policies that protect the environment. What has been found is quite the opposite. In China, where they don't control emissions at all, there are days that pollution is so bad they have to ban cars and close businesses. That's an economic cost that needs to be factored. When BP had that big oil-rig spill, it crippled the shrimp industry. That again is an economic cost.

Mandating catalytic converters on cars created a new industry and jobs for people who would manufacture catalytic converters.

There is a new working paper from the International Monetary Fund that suggests that strong measures to limit carbon emissions would lead to faster economic growth.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

I said the Sierra Club is the new home for Marxists, socialists, Progressives, liberals, statists, no-growthers, every wrongheaded person...

You know I am right.

I'm so glad cpwill is reduced to defending this type of nonsense. It shows how lost conservatism has become. It can no longer think straight.

 

[FaceofBachmann]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

Yes, it is. Rigs in the skyline are all icky and stuff, so put a so-many-miles ban on them so they have to be way out there. :roll: idiocy. But then, no one ever accused these people of foresight or consistency.



That's interesting. So you believe that environmentalists do not play any role in our government?



True. Neither is playing pro football. But you are much more likely to get injured in the NFL than you are working as an accountant, and you are much more likely to have a serious problem deep water drilling than shallow water drilling.



:shrug: I agreed his language was hyperbolic and pointed out only that his point about the oil companies being pushed way offshore by the people who supposedly wanted to Protect The Shoreline was correct.

So by "environmentalists" you meant the voting public. Yeah, I can see why conservatives would want to avoid that term since it highlights how out of touch conservatism is except with marginalized anti-science types.

 

[cpwill]

Re: Government's radical environmentalists are to blame

So by "environmentalists" you meant the voting public

Nope. The Voting Public didn't make those rules.