Doomsday averted

[ludin]

Reads like speculation to me. More doomsday crap just as I predicted.

no it is called facts.

 

[calamity]

no it is called facts.

They are not facts until payments are in default or officially in arrears. What you have there are projections.

 

[iguanaman]

nope my plan was great. it was better way better than the minimum requirements. and no my results are typical as the national average increase on premiums has been 40%.
also my deductible went up along with my out of pocket.

my co pays went up as well.

my company had to pay major taxes and other regulatory costs associated with obamacare.

I suspect your plan was "great" because you did not have a serious illness or accident. That is the only way to tell if you would have gotten benefits. This chart shows the average costs of employer HC. Readng this it is apparent that you are not at all average. Show me how the ACA has raised rates 40%

 

[ludin]

They are not facts until payments are in default or officially in arrears. What you have there are projections.

NO. a signup is filling out the information.
and enrolled person is someone that has paid.

75-85% of these people have NOT PAID anything. therefore they are not enrolled.
they are not projections they are actual numbers straight from the insurance companies.

denial of evidence is not an argument.

 

[ludin]

I suspect your plan was "great" because you did not have a serious illness or accident. That is the only way to tell if you would have gotten benefits. This chart shows the average costs of employer HC. Readng this it is apparent that you are not at all average. Show me how the ACA has raised rates 40%

my plan covers 80/20 so it is great.
in fact it would be considered a Gold plan and if i wanted a cheaper premium i could take it but the coverage isn't as great it only covers 90% after you hit the deductible but there are no co-pays. you pay everything out of pocket till you get to the deductible.

pretty easy it costs me 40% more than what it did last year for worse coverage.

my co-pay for doctor and specialist was 20/40 now it is 30/60
my co-pays on prescriptions went up as well.

 

[calamity]

NO. a signup is filling out the information.
and enrolled person is someone that has paid.

75-85% of these people have NOT PAID anything. therefore they are not enrolled.
they are not projections they are actual numbers straight from the insurance companies.

denial of evidence is not an argument.

Parroting the RW news sites I see.
Obamacare health exchange enrollment meets goal - Washington Times

 

[tres borrachos]

Parroting the RW news sites I see.
Obamacare health exchange enrollment meets goal - Washington Times

So where is the number on how many have paid?

 

[ludin]

Parroting the RW news sites I see.
Obamacare health exchange enrollment meets goal - Washington Times

:doh they are not RW news sites. they are actual industry used terms.

no they didn't meet the goal. the administration is assuming that everyone that signs up buys healthcare and they haven't been. i also didn't know that what abc news was a RW site.
you have no clue about what you are talking about.

So how many have paid ACA premiums? - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com

 

[buck]

my plan covers 80/20 so it is great.
in fact it would be considered a Gold plan and if i wanted a cheaper premium i could take it but the coverage isn't as great it only covers 90% after you hit the deductible but there are no co-pays. you pay everything out of pocket till you get to the deductible.

pretty easy it costs me 40% more than what it did last year for worse coverage.

my co-pay for doctor and specialist was 20/40 now it is 30/60
my co-pays on prescriptions went up as well.

Boehner's apparently did something similar:

Boehner Complains That Obamacare Tripled His Co-Pay | ABC News - Yahoo

"I can give you hundreds of letters from my constituents who have been harmed by this law. My insurance premiums nearly doubled. My co-pays and deductibles tripled under 'Obamacare,'" the Ohio Republican said today.

 

[buck]

Parroting the RW news sites I see.
Obamacare health exchange enrollment meets goal - Washington Times

Those are not RW sites, those are the actual insurance companies telling you what is occurring. A fairly significant portion of these supposed enrollees have not paid. Instead of paying attention to the facts, you would rather believe the propaganda put out by Obama.

It's kind of like how the insurance companies are saying, premiums will be increasing in many parts of the countries by double digits next year. The Whitehouse OTOH says everything is great. Instead of believing the individuals that will actually be increasing the premiums and have first hand knowledge of exactly what is occurring, you would rather just trust the president's propaganda.

 

[ludin]

Those are not RW sites, those are the actual insurance companies telling you what is occurring. A fairly significant portion of these supposed enrollees have not paid. Instead of paying attention to the facts, you would rather believe the propaganda put out by Obama.

It's kind of like how the insurance companies are saying, premiums will be increasing in many parts of the countries by double digits next year. The Whitehouse OTOH says everything is great. Instead of believing the individuals that will actually be increasing the premiums and have first hand knowledge of exactly what is occurring, you would rather just trust the president's propaganda.

i think you missed the part that say unless it is dailykos, huffpo, msnbc and i guess a new one is rawstory then it is RW websites.

 

[calamity]

So where is the number on how many have paid?

When's the bill due?

 

[Threegoofs]

So where is the number on how many have paid?

And when you get that, the next question will be "how many will be signing up again when their premiums/plans/congress changes?

And another question, and another question, because the only answer that will satsfy you is failure.

We've seen this since day one. Doomsday will result if this law is passed. Then doomsday will result if it is implemented. THen doomsday will result if the SCOTUS doesnt overturn it. Then fire and brimstone if people are forced at gunpoint to pay tiny amounts of money for thoretical employee abortions. Then the doom of the website not being up, the horror of having to go online and buy stuff, the disaster of having to lose crappy minimed insurance plans that only benefited insurers, etc etc etc.


Look. Its the law, its implemented, its working fairly well, it may need some adjustments (go talk to the psycho GOP congress, please) and its gonna be in place for a long, long time because the GOP can take total power, but they havent come up with a better idea in decades.

 

[calamity]

:doh they are not RW news sites. they are actual industry used terms.

no they didn't meet the goal. the administration is assuming that everyone that signs up buys healthcare and they haven't been. i also didn't know that what abc news was a RW site.
you have no clue about what you are talking about.

So how many have paid ACA premiums? - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com

Non biased sources show.about 20% haven't paid their first month's premiums, not the 70% figure that has you in a panic.
Obamacare deadbeats: Some don't pay their first premiums - Jan. 30, 2014

Same with an article from yesterday
http://www.nationaljournal.com/heal...ying-obamacare-premiums-insurer-says-20140402

 

[cpwill]

LOL So you are going to use the same "they cooked the books" excuse? You have no proof of any such thing.

I think it's funny that you typed this, and we've since seen the major insurance companies come out and admit that I am correct, and the administration is conflating those who signed up for a website with those who have actually purchased health insurance.

As far as your lack of insurance, all that means is you'll be sucking on the govts. teat if you have an accident or get sick.

Nah, I pay cash for medical, and I'll have insurance through work as of May.

Sadly we can't afford that much longer and the penalties will reflect that. You will join up eventually, and be grateful for it too.

Don't think I will, actually.

That "grateful" part is important because you really don't deserve the benefits of the ACA but you will receive them regardless.

Well you are sweet. So far, however, I have seen zero benefits of the ACA, only increased costs. But I think that you are betting a little much on American's desire to be helpless, mindless supplicants for handouts from their betters. Mind you, that picture of your fellow citizens agreeably underpins much of modern leftist ideology, but I think the cynical "wait until they get a goodie, Americans' can't resist a goodie, even if they have to pay too much for it" approach isn't going to prove as powerful as you seem to be wagering on.

 

[calamity]

Those are not RW sites, those are the actual insurance companies telling you what is occurring. A fairly significant portion of these supposed enrollees have not paid. Instead of paying attention to the facts, you would rather believe the propaganda put out by Obama.

It's kind of like how the insurance companies are saying, premiums will be increasing in many parts of the countries by double digits next year. The Whitehouse OTOH says everything is great. Instead of believing the individuals that will actually be increasing the premiums and have first hand knowledge of exactly what is occurring, you would rather just trust the president's propaganda.

15-20 Percent Aren't Paying Obamacare Premiums, Insurer Says - NationalJournal.com

Blue Cross & Blue Shield says 15-20% are in arrears or failed to pay their first month premium, which is not bad when you consider the volume of consumers who are for the first signing up for an insurance policy.

 

[Fenton]

Gotta love the Libs bragging about a number out of context. I wonder if they think ObamaCare is actually going to succeed ?

Silly low information Liberals.

ObamaCare is essentially a Cost redistribution scam, where those with High Medical cost get subsidized by the younger generation.

But what it really does is cause a huge increase in cost for new policies for your average Middle Class American, and it does that in a real sh***** Economy.

So he's not just forcing you to buy insurance, he's forcing you to pay way too much for Insurance at a time when Millions of Americans are struggling paycheck to paycheck.

People aren't going to buy insurance they cannot afford, and millenials are finding it difficult to even find employment let alone over pay for health insurance.

So that equates to rising cost for everyone else, which means in a crap Obama Economy that those people have less discretionary income to spend.

That increase will by far exceed the penalty for not purchasing ObamaCare even up to 2016.

The only good thing about the penalty is the fact that Millions of people will have to fork up 1-2.5 Percent of their income at the end of the year to the IRS.

Lol....what a great way to breed mass hatred for the Democrat party.

 

[Linc]

Gotta love the Con Fenton for overgeneralizing right from the start on Libs.

Gotta love the Libs bragging about a number out of context.
I wonder if they think ObamaCare is actually going to succeed ?

What odds are you giving?
I love the juice of Vegas on many sports, but only go a few times a year at the most.

Silly low information Liberals.

Unnecessary.

ObamaCare is essentially a Cost redistribution scam, where those with High Medical cost get subsidized by the younger generation.

But what it really does is cause a huge increase in cost for new policies for your average Middle Class American,
and it does that in a real sh***** Economy.

What is the GOP plan on paper in House committee for those with High Medical cost?
Is there an overlap between High Medical cost and your average Middle Class American strawman?

And, please know I know the danger of GOP Leaders putting out plans,
like the one Ryan is taking severe heat for from BOTH sides, DEMs and TEAs.

This is most assuredly why we won't see an ACA from the GOP till next year.

Plus, how was this Crappy economy when Obama/Dems first got it ?

 

[Greenbeard]

People aren't going to buy insurance they cannot afford, and millenials are finding it difficult to even find employment let alone over pay for health insurance.

...open enrollment is now over.

You can save the "nobody wants to buy insurance" thing for next fall. Maybe it'll actually be true by then. (Don't hold your breath.)

 

[buck]

15-20 Percent Aren't Paying Obamacare Premiums, Insurer Says - NationalJournal.com

Blue Cross & Blue Shield says 15-20% are in arrears or failed to pay their first month premium, which is not bad when you consider the volume of consumers who are for the first signing up for an insurance policy.

I posted the same link from a more mainstream site, and was accused of posting RW propaganda.

Anyway, whether 15 to 20% is bad is irrelevant to the discussion that was occurring. The discussion was about Obama's claim of 7 million enrolled, which is pure BS.

7 million minus 15 to 20% is not the 7 mill Obama claimed.

I also indicated, and I have zero proof for this just yet, I expect the unpaid percentages to become much higher with the late surge they had. I personally would not be surprised if some on the left set up an account online just to attempt to make the numbers look better - realizing they never had to pay.

 

[fedupwithgov]

Only the left could imagine $3,000,000,000 expended on getting 7 million people signed up after 6 million buyers had the policies cancelled a success.

I agree that if HHS hadn't issued a mandate(allowed by the PPACA) that required everyone to carry Maternity Coverage, Newborn coverage, Pediatric care and dental care; some of the most costly benefits to insure and those that traditionally increase premiums; they would never have insured the number they claim to have insured on the exchanges. It is like mandating no cars that use gas can be driven on public roads and then "claiming" more americans are buying electric cars. Duh. How stupid can people be?

 

[iguanaman]

Gotta love the Libs bragging about a number out of context. I wonder if they think ObamaCare is actually going to succeed ?

Silly low information Liberals.

ObamaCare is essentially a Cost redistribution scam, where those with High Medical cost get subsidized by the younger generation.

But what it really does is cause a huge increase in cost for new policies for your average Middle Class American, and it does that in a real sh***** Economy.

So he's not just forcing you to buy insurance, he's forcing you to pay way too much for Insurance at a time when Millions of Americans are struggling paycheck to paycheck.

People aren't going to buy insurance they cannot afford, and millenials are finding it difficult to even find employment let alone over pay for health insurance.

So that equates to rising cost for everyone else, which means in a crap Obama Economy that those people have less discretionary income to spend.

That increase will by far exceed the penalty for not purchasing ObamaCare even up to 2016.

The only good thing about the penalty is the fact that Millions of people will have to fork up 1-2.5 Percent of their income at the end of the year to the IRS.

Lol....what a great way to breed mass hatred for the Democrat party.

LOL Many more Americans will be enjoying the benefits of insurance than are paying any penalty. Besides the losers that refuse to sign up are mostly staunch Republicans anyway. Good luck with using that to win elections.

You are lying about that rate increases too. Rates have been going up since 2000 and the rate of increase is down in the past few years.

 

[calamity]

I posted the same link from a more mainstream site, and was accused of posting RW propaganda.

Anyway, whether 15 to 20% is bad is irrelevant to the discussion that was occurring. The discussion was about Obama's claim of 7 million enrolled, which is pure BS.

7 million minus 15 to 20% is not the 7 mill Obama claimed.

I also indicated, and I have zero proof for this just yet, I expect the unpaid percentages to become much higher with the late surge they had. I personally would not be surprised if some on the left set up an account online just to attempt to make the numbers look better - realizing they never had to pay.

9.5 million signees less the 15 to 20% who havent paid is well over 7 million newly insured people. What's your beef?

 

[ludin]

Non biased sources show.about 20% haven't paid their first month's premiums, not the 70% figure that has you in a panic.
Obamacare deadbeats: Some don't pay their first premiums - Jan. 30, 2014

Same with an article from yesterday
15-20 Percent Aren't Paying Obamacare Premiums, Insurer Says - NationalJournal.com

You don't seem to comprehend what people say.

I have seen reports that as low as 75 and as high as 85% have not paid. no one said anything about panic. that is hyperbole.
what we are saying is that with only even 80% of people paying that is only 5.6m people that doesn't meet the goal that the president
claims to have met.

Do you not understand this for some reason?

more than likely all i will get is another hyperbole statement.
no one even mentioned 70%.

Also it wasn't a bias source the numbers are coming from insurance companies. i am sorry you can't accept facts.

 

[calamity]

LOL Many more Americans will be enjoying the benefits of insurance than are paying any penalty. Besides the losers that refuse to sign up are mostly staunch Republicans anyway. Good luck with using that to win elections.

You are lying about that rate increases too. Rates have been going up since 2000 and the rate of increase is down in the past few years.

Right Wing strategy--do everything you can to make ACA less successful: don't sign up, hold rallies to encourage young people to ignore the requirements, don't fund Medicare expansion, put pressure on sporting leagues so they don't promote signing up for ACA, label it Obamacare so racists can point to it and say, "Ugh." Then immediately hit the airwaves and argue ACA is a failure because not enough people are signing up and too few are paying their premiums.

They must think the rest of the country is as stupid as they are.