Doomsday averted

[buck]

Again you are denying that young people who's policies are cancelled are ever uninsured. Got a link?

I never made any such claim. Do you have a link that the individuals that now are on their parent's policies didn't have options to get insurance elsewhere? I work with an individual whose son moved out to CA and has a great job. He is eligible for insurance, but since he is under 26, he is staying on his dad's policy. In other words, many have other options and other than making some people feel all warm and squishy inside, obamacare is not nearly as beneficial as they want to believe.

 

[ludin]

It debunked 15 RW talking points and one left wing one. It goes to show that you guys have been crying the sky is falling for 6 years now. For reference on why its relevant, look at the thread title and OP.

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about though so therefore it is irrelevant to the conversation.

The white house claims that it has 7m people enrolled.

This number is false. now why is this number false.
while they might have 7m people sign up you are not enrolled until you pay your first month premium

we know based on information being collected that only about 75-85% of the people that have signed up have paid. that puts the number of people enrolled below 7m.

we also know that of those people only about 1/4th of them were previously uninsured.
we also know that the number of suppose young people needed to support the entire thing is only about 25% well below the 30-40% needed.

that is also if they pay and continue to pay.

these are not myths these are called facts.

i am will waiting on my 2500 premium reduction when is that going to kick in? maybe i should write obama and ask him.

 

[iguanaman]

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about though so therefore it is irrelevant to the conversation.

The white house claims that it has 7m people enrolled.

This number is false. now why is this number false.
while they might have 7m people sign up you are not enrolled until you pay your first month premium

we know based on information being collected that only about 75-85% of the people that have signed up have paid. that puts the number of people enrolled below 7m.

we also know that of those people only about 1/4th of them were previously uninsured.
we also know that the number of suppose young people needed to support the entire thing is only about 25% well below the 30-40% needed.

that is also if they pay and continue to pay.

these are not myths these are called facts.

i am will waiting on my 2500 premium reduction when is that going to kick in? maybe i should write obama and ask him.

I don't know about you but I have received 2 checks totaling over $1800 from my insurer because of overcharging on premiums. That would never happened without the ACA.

 

[ludin]

I don't know about you but I have received 2 checks totaling over $1800 from my insurer because of overcharging on premiums. That would never happened without the ACA.

good for you i never got a dime. all i got was a 40% increase in my premium this year.

 

[calamity]

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about though so therefore it is irrelevant to the conversation.

The white house claims that it has 7m people enrolled.

This number is false. now why is this number false.
while they might have 7m people sign up you are not enrolled until you pay your first month premium

we know based on information being collected that only about 75-85% of the people that have signed up have paid. that puts the number of people enrolled below 7m.

we also know that of those people only about 1/4th of them were previously uninsured.
we also know that the number of suppose young people needed to support the entire thing is only about 25% well below the 30-40% needed.

that is also if they pay and continue to pay.

these are not myths these are called facts.

i am will waiting on my 2500 premium reduction when is that going to kick in? maybe i should write obama and ask him.

It's very much relevant to the thread--GOpers are always crying wolf....and, 99% of the time they are wrong.

 

[ludin]

It's very much relevant to the thread--GOpers are always crying wolf....and, 99% of the time they are wrong.

as usual you refuse to address the actual points thank you for conceding.

 

[iguanaman]

good for you i never got a dime. all i got was a 40% increase in my premium this year.

Either your previous policy was a sham or you have opted for a lower deductible. Your results are far from typical.

 

[buck]

Either your previous policy was a sham or you have opted for a lower deductible. Your results are far from typical.

There have been more than enough studies posted here showing that (not counting subsidies) premiums on average are up. So, what he indicates really isn't "far from typical", as you claim.

 

[Threegoofs]

Either your previous policy was a sham or you have opted for a lower deductible. Your results are far from typical.

Yep.

My premiums were raised a whole $3 per month. In fact, talking to several people who are covered by their employer insurance, and a couple people who own businesses and have to get insurance to cover employees, every one of them mentioned that their premiums either didn't change or only slightly rose vs. previous years.

The guys who have businesses said that it was nowhere near as bad as six or seven years ago, when they got double digit percentage increases.

Thanks, Obama!

 

[tres borrachos]

There have been more than enough studies posted here showing that (not counting subsidies) premiums on average are up. So, what he indicates really isn't "far from typical", as you claim.

CNN reported in August that premiums increased on average 4%, while worker's wages increased on average only 1.8%.

Health insurance premiums rise 4% - Aug. 20, 2013

 

[calamity]

as usual you refuse to address the actual points thank you for conceding.

I wasn't even quoting you... RW paranoia runs deep in this thread.

I conceded nothing.

 

[tres borrachos]

I wasn't even quoting you... RW paranoia runs deep in this thread.

I conceded nothing.

Yes you did. You quoted him in post #55. He responded, not you're trying to say you didn't quote him? It's right there.

 

[Threegoofs]

CNN reported in August that premiums increased on average 4%, while worker's wages increased on average only 1.8%.

Health insurance premiums rise 4% - Aug. 20, 2013

I noticed you apparently didn't bother to read past the headline.

Let me quote:


"Still, this year's premium increase was the second lowest since Kaiser/HRET began conducting the survey in 1999. A decade ago, increases of more than 9% a year were common."

Again...thanks, Obama!

 

[tres borrachos]

I noticed you apparently didn't bother to read past the headline.

Let me quote:


"Still, this year's premium increase was the second lowest since Kaiser/HRET began conducting the survey in 1999. A decade ago, increases of more than 9% a year were common."

Again...thanks, Obama!

Which has what to do with the question of did premiums increase or not?

 

[calamity]

Yes you did. You quoted him in post #55. He responded, not you're trying to say you didn't quote him? It's right there.

Don't be obtuse. I'm talking about his response to my original post...a response he just threw in from left field.

As we see, even here in this thread, Righties live in their own universe where they conjure up the strangest bits of info and declare them "facts".

Once again here are the 16 common mostly Righty and (a few) Lefty myths which have been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/24/top-16-myths-about-health-care-law/

do you have anything to back this up with? i didn't know posting reliable news sources was considered making stuff up, or is it only making stuff up because it shows that obamacare is a failure?

 

[tres borrachos]

Don't be obtuse. I'm talking about his response to my original post...a response he just threw in from left field.

You quoted him in post 55. He responded to you quoting him, then you said you weren't quoting him.

 

[calamity]

You quoted him in post 55. He responded to you quoting him, then you said you weren't quoting him.

I wasn't quoting him when he chimed in back in post 20. How's that?


Hell, I don't even know what the hell he's arguing in this thread. And, I could care less. I made my post and it had nothing to do with him. He can go fly a ****ing kite for all I care.

 

[buck]

CNN reported in August that premiums increased on average 4%, while worker's wages increased on average only 1.8%.

Health insurance premiums rise 4% - Aug. 20, 2013

It appears that was related to premium for employee sponsored plans. Individual health plans have increased by a far higher percentage. Again, on average. So, ThreeGoofs claim to know someoen who only had to pay an extra $3.00 per month really means little.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Cohn has some fun remembering some of the more insightful prognostication from the last six months in "Obamacare Is Doomed! A Trip Down Memory Lane."

That prediction, widely shared, did not come true. The system worked well in December,

What universe is this guy in?

 

[tres borrachos]

It appears that was related to premium for employee sponsored plans. Individual health plans have increased by a far higher percentage. Again, on average. So, ThreeGoofs claim to know someoen who only had to pay an extra $3.00 per month really means little.

True. My link was only for the 150+ million people with employer funded insurance. But they certainly went up.

Of course, there's this too:

The research team at investment bank Morgan Stanley surveyed 131 brokers, finding that December 2013 rates are rising in excess of 6% in the small group market, and 9% in the individual market.

The spike in these quarterly-reported rates (for annual premiums charged on renewing contracts) is being attributed to the continued implementation of Obamacare rules, as well as new Obamacare taxes and fees that are being assessed on plans this year.

These are for plans that are renewed, and presumably met the bulk of the Obamacare mandates (so they didn’t need to be cancelled).

The December 2013 rate hikes are the largest reported since Morgan Stanley’s research team first started conducting the quarterly surveys of brokers in 2010. In prior quarters, the average quarterly reported rate increases never rose above 3% over the preceding period.


Thanks Obama!

New Survey of Health Insurance Brokers: Private Health Plan Premiums Are Spiking. Now, Even The Fed Is Watching These Trends - Forbes

 

[ludin]

Either your previous policy was a sham or you have opted for a lower deductible. Your results are far from typical.

nope my plan was great. it was better way better than the minimum requirements. and no my results are typical as the national average increase on premiums has been 40%.
also my deductible went up along with my out of pocket.

my co pays went up as well.

my company had to pay major taxes and other regulatory costs associated with obamacare.

 

[ludin]

Yes you did. You quoted him in post #55. He responded, not you're trying to say you didn't quote him? It's right there.

i think it is useless at this point.

 

[tres borrachos]

i think it is useless at this point.

It's amazing, isn't it?

 

[calamity]

i think it is useless at this point.

Your first remark to my original post had nothing to do with my post which had nothing to do with anything you've asserted here. Now, I'm pissed. I'll check your posts to see what you are arguing and then prove it wrong.

I am that sure you wrote nonsense.

 

[calamity]

do you read anything other than huffpo or dailykos?

Blue Cross Says '80-85' Percent Of Obamacare Enrollees Are Paying - Forbes
i have seen it as low as 75%. so some where between 75 and 80 has been the numbers quoted so far.

that means they don't have 7 million at all.

this is the same as the jobs that said when they had 3 guys put in a lamp post a park bench and something else they counted it as 3 jobs. of course as soon as they were done they were fired. so that wasn't really a job. yet they counted it anyway.

only about 1/4th of the enrolled were previously uninsured.

Top 4 Reasons That Young Adults Won't Sign Up for the Affordable Care Act - ABC News

only 24% of the signups are young people that are needed to fund the system. this is well below the goal of 40% and probably means that people are going to get socked with huge premium increases.

Reads like speculation to me. More doomsday crap just as I predicted.