Don't panic, backed up by science

[captaintrips]

Read carefully - for information only

Viruses that cause the common cold

human rhinoviruses

CORONAVIRUSES

parainfluenza viruses

adenoviruses

human parainfluenza virus (HPIV)

respiratory syncytial virus (RSV)

The corona virus is one cause of the common cold. This is not a new virus. What is new about covid-19 is its genetic make-up and it's shell, or 'corona'.

We've all now seen the pictures everywhere showing the spiky ball-like shape of this dreaded "new" corona virus.

The spikey looking shell of this viruses is how it attaches to our own cells to then open a door to your cell & invade. Once attached, it injects its own RNA ( covid-19 is an RNA virus ) into our cell, that RNA then hijacks our own cells functions to make it create more copies of that viruses RNA. This is how the virus makes more of itself, which causes destruction of your cell - the biggest part of why you get ill.

[ The corona virus is NOT a retro-virus like AIDS. Retro-viruses not only invade your bodies cells, they write their own RNA INTO your DNA. It's more involved, but I wanted to be sure to point out the difference because there are people that are confused into thinking covid-19 is like a retro-virus ! There is SO much misinformation out there ! Beware ! Do not panic ! covid-19 NOT a retro-virus like AIDS ! ]

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Eventually, your bodies immune system learns to recognize the outside shape of that virus and creates specific anti-bodies to attack it before it can attach and invade our own cells. This is how you become immune to the flu and cold viruses. These viruses are always changing, which is why we always get new colds and the flu. New "versions" of them are being created always. Your immune system is always at work.

This is a short and simplified explanation. If you find something unclear or incorrect, or want more information, private message me, do not reply to this message. Replies will be ignored. Thank you.

For information only to MAYBE help settle down the panic that's occurring... look at your local stores shelves to verify this.

- the information in this message was not found online. It can be verified there IF you know how & where to look, do so with caution. Source; "MicroBiology a Systems Approach," Cowan & Talaro 2009 -

 

[Gimmesometruth]

This is not a new virus.

yes, it is, hence "novel"

 

[Jay59]

I should have bought Amazon stock two months ago...

Or Walmart.

Why hasn't Trump listened to the guy in the opinion piece in the OP?

You don't pay much attention to the actual news do you? He was on the same page with Trump.

 

[Nap]

I'm thinking the government is really mishandling this situation and are likely the damage caused to the economy is far worse than the damage the virus would do. Would have been better to tell senior citizens to self quarantine and everyone else business as usual. The vast majority will experience only mild symptoms.

 

[trixare4kids]

Italy absolutely does NOT have a much less robust health care system than we do. Italy actually has the 2nd best health care system in the world, behind only France, according to multiple ranking sources. I know, not only from stats, indicators, and rankings, and not even only from having lived in Italy, but also from having been a critical patient in Italy, once.

True story:

Same disease, same condition: I was once in Italy when I had one of my acute emergency exacerbations. Within minutes I was rushed to a regional hospital by ambulance, and immediately saw a triage nurse, who said "here's what the doctors will need to do - [explained - very accurately, and then she added] - you need a specialist who is experienced with this kind of care;, let's rush you to a bigger hospital where we have them on call" - the same ambulance took me there to a sparkling modern tertiary hospital and within half an hour I was admitted and not one, not two, but three seasoned, experienced specialists were seeing me, discussing my case, and treating me. They soon fully restored me to health. One of the things that surprised me most was that 3 specialists came to see me within one hour of the start of the symptoms! See below how much harder it was to get 1, in the US!!!

The bill I paid in Italy: zero euros. (I'm entitled to their universal health care by virtue of being a citizen of the European Union who resided in Italy at the time). All I had to do was show my EU passport and resident card. [I am a dual citizen of the United States and of one of the European Union countries]

Same disease, same condition in the US: I went to the ER, saw a clerk who said I'd be seen "as soon as possible" (not before endless questions and forms to make sure I had private health insurance although I was obviously in pain). Was in agony in the waiting room, two hours later a triage nurse saw me, said, "yep, the situation is serious, the doctor will see you." Knowing my own case well I inquired about a couple of courses of action, she said "I don't know, I don't get paid the big bucks, you'll have to ask the doctor, go back to the waiting room and we'll call you." I asked, "do you have a specialist for this condition?" "No, but the ER doctor will see you." Two more hours later, still not seen, I got frustrated and went back home, and tried to call a specialist. 12 attempts later nobody wanted to see me until one finally accepted to see me but could only do it two days later. I spent 2 more miserable days, and finally the specialist saw me and did get the situation solved, similarly to what they did in Italy (just, it was much faster and much more efficiently done over there).

The bill I paid in the United States: several thousand dollars even with insurance.

Anyway, don't underestimate Italy's outstanding health care system, but yes, with the rapid rate of contagion and several deaths in their aging population there, sure, they got overwhelmed. Do you know why they have so many old people there? Because they reach that old age still alive and kicking, thanks to their excellent health care system available to every citizen, and thanks to their healthier life style (Mediterranean diet, much more walking, smaller obesity rate, etc.).

This disease will overwhelm us here too, if we don't implement containment measures.

I had the same exact specialty care you had in the U.S. in the last two weeks, all from one medical group. No cost out of my pocket either.
Btw, there is an entire team of specialists on call at my local urgent care center or emergency room, (same medical group) should I need this level of care.

 

[trixare4kids]

Really? We only have 65,000 ventilators, and 13,000 in strategic stock. I think we'll run out way worse than Italy.

Be optimistic.
Perhaps we'll have more on hand by then or we won't run out anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1c9c22-6920-11ea-b199-3a9799c54512_story.html

 

[apdst]

This is where consensus in science is important. We can not listen to the ravings of one idiot....the consensus of the experts is clear

It's a good thing people listen to Jonas Salk.

 

[apdst]

No.

This kind of misguided minimization is what will worsen our outcome.

The one way to break the cycle of sustained transmission is to lock down people for a few weeks.

The deaths lag behind, 3-4 weeks later. You'll see that the Italian lockdown will start to pay off in a few weeks. What you see there is that it hasn't peaked yet because the deaths of today and the new diagnoses of today are of cases that got infected several weeks ago. Once that peak passes and Italians remain at home, the contagion will slow down.

If we don't do this, it won't be pretty.

Food riots aren't pretty, either.

 

[vegas giants]

It's a good thing people listen to Jonas Salk.

Uh....he had overwhelming consensus.


My god that was hilarious

 

[apdst]

Uh....he had overwhelming consensus.


My god that was hilarious

Actually, he didn't, at first.

Vaccination controversies nothing new in America

 

[vegas giants]

Actually, he didn't, at first.

Vaccination controversies nothing new in America

His promising preliminary results led to the March of Dimes launching the biggest clinical trial in the history of medicine. The trial had remarkable results: Salk’s vaccine was 80 to 90 percent effective in preventing paralytic polio. By the end of the decade, it had reduced the incidence of paralytic polio in the United States by 90 percent.


The biggest clinical trial in history. Overwhelming evidence. Duh

 

[apdst]

His promising preliminary results led to the March of Dimes launching the biggest clinical trial in the history of medicine. The trial had remarkable results: Salk’s vaccine was 80 to 90 percent effective in preventing paralytic polio. By the end of the decade, it had reduced the incidence of paralytic polio in the United States by 90 percent.


The biggest clinical trial in history. Overwhelming evidence. Duh

But, he met stiff resistance from fellow scientists.

 

[vegas giants]

But, he met stiff resistance from fellow scientists.

We have been studying AGW much longer than he studied polio. At this point he was considered a genius and had overwhelming consensus. Same with AGW


You are clueless

 

[Ahlevah]

(crap, I forgot to post this in the virus forum.)






It's a very optimistic view of the epidemic and it's backed up with science.

Do you believe the author is correct?

I don't know, but we're staying put indefinitely.

 

[captaintrips]

The widespread stupidity among Americans is the real viral threat.

There's plenty of it right here, just read through these posts & numerous threads about this topic.

Purposeful ignorance and hyperventilating panic about nothing is very sad, and dangerous.

My hope is that all of those acting, or pretending, or out of ignorance, who think this is the end of the world, LEARN something from this when it's over.

 

[bluesmoke]

There is something to the basic hygiene piece, places like Japan, life’s going on as normal, no lock downs, no nothing and they had cases.

But the economic side of things is a different story, we’re a consumer based economy with the movement of goods, people and services around for people to go out and purchase and even with the change in brick and mortar stores and online retail the fact is no one right now is gonna go out and buy a new car, jeans, go out to restaurants and all that was starting to happen before the lock down responses at least here.

No one is gonna go out to the mall if they think they can catch this thing, especially in an economy where it’s mainly older people who have most of the disposable income in the economy.

So in the long term there may be something to what they’re saying but here in the west, basic hygiene... well.

Good luck with that.

"places like Japan, life’s going on as normal, no lock downs, no nothing and they had cases"

False. Among a number of other action, Japan has locked-down all elementary, junior and senior high schools. PM Abe jumped on this much quicker than Trump, including testing. Take a look at their timeline:

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Japan - Wikipedia

 

[bluesmoke]

The widespread stupidity among Americans is the real viral threat.

There's plenty of it right here, just read through these posts & numerous threads about this topic.

Purposeful ignorance and hyperventilating panic about nothing is very sad, and dangerous.

My hope is that all of those acting, or pretending, or out of ignorance, who think this is the end of the world, LEARN something from this when it's over.

To support your claims, what posting #s and what in them do you believe represent "stupidity", "ignorance", "hyperventilating panic" or "end of the world"?

 

[snakestretcher]

(crap, I forgot to post this in the virus forum.)






It's a very optimistic view of the epidemic and it's backed up with science.

Do you believe the author is correct?

"Open up public spaces"? Yes, and invite an unwelcome virus to infect me? Stupid in the extreme, and contrary to ALL medical advice.

 

[captaintrips]

To support your claims, what posting #s and what in them do you believe represent "stupidity", "ignorance", "hyperventilating panic" or "end of the world"?

80 or 90 % of the posts you read here.

Simple : )

Rampant idiocy is "the order of the day," it's impossible NOT to see.

 

[Jetboogieman]

"places like Japan, life’s going on as normal, no lock downs, no nothing and they had cases"

False. Among a number of other action, Japan has locked-down all elementary, junior and senior high schools. PM Abe jumped on this much quicker than Trump, including testing. Take a look at their timeline:

2020 coronavirus pandemic in Japan - Wikipedia

Sorry yes, the schools, piece is true, forgot about that, but the testing bit for South Korea, Singapore and Japan is the real key and America and Canada have been caught with their pants down in that department, big time.

But you look at Shibuya now and it looks totally normal, people are still going to work and movin about no worries.

 

[BlueTex]

(crap, I forgot to post this in the virus forum.)






It's a very optimistic view of the epidemic and it's backed up with science.

Do you believe the author is correct?

Looks like Medium is buying it...

 

[joko104]

I should have bought Amazon stock two months ago...

Amazon's a mess right now. They have a moratorium against more inventory being sent to Amazon Prime until April 5th - with come categories of exceptions. We have one product line that is in the exemption category (meaning we can restock at Prime) because it is a sanitizer and we are a registered trademarks company(ies) with legit independent lab testing as to quality.

Amazon is a fairly unorganized company in the sense that the various departments tend not to know what the others are doing. For example, one department sent out a general notice to all merchants that if they can not ship on a timely basis, then refund the orders. However, when we did just that another department send a warning that our refund ratio was too high.

Given all the different states Amazon distribution is in, with each state having different rules, it may become very difficult for Amazon to maintain a national policy. Candidly, we don't really trust Amazon in terms of stability so have put all products we sell on Amazon on "vacation mode" - meaning we are selling nothing on Amazon other than a couple products we are sending to Prime for them to ship.

It is extremely risky on many levels for any person or company to become dependent upon Amazon. With no warning, Amazon may announce they are seizing your money for 90 days (no appeal), summarily eliminating one or more of your products, and other surprise wipe-you-out practices of Amazon. Yes, Amazon is big (17.5% of all online retail sales with WalMart 2nd at 5%), but it building a business upon Amazon sales might be creating your own destruction. That is not counting that Amazon probably will be making more off your sales than you do for their many VERY high fees - particularly if you buy advertising.

If Amazon's numbers shows you are making a lot of money on a product, Amazon will start selling it and instantly wipe you out. Because of our product lines, that is not really a risk to us, but still we have no confidence in Amazon and will not allow it to become a significant aspect of the business(es).

Also, it is uncertain if FedEx, UPS and the USPS will continue servicing all areas. A company could find they have dozens, hundreds or thousands of orders with no way to get them delivered - and even if all are refunded then you credit card processors, Paypal, Google Wallet etc might close your account and ban you. This is a high risk time for online businesses, not just brick and mortar stores.

We are currently setting all websites (all turned off now for revamping) to be able to turn them on and off on a minute's notice to regulate sales and risk factors.

 

[SoCal]

Amazon's a mess right now. They have a moratorium against more inventory being sent to Amazon Prime until April 5th - with come categories of exceptions. We have one product line that is in the exemption category (meaning we can restock at Prime) because it is a sanitizer and we are a registered trademarks company(ies) with legit independent lab testing as to quality.

Amazon is a fairly unorganized company in the sense that the various departments tend not to know what the others are doing. For example, one department sent out a general notice to all merchants that if they can not ship on a timely basis, then refund the orders. However, when we did just that another department send a warning that our refund ratio was too high.

Given all the different states Amazon distribution is in, with each state having different rules, it may become very difficult for Amazon to maintain a national policy. Candidly, we don't really trust Amazon in terms of stability so have put all products we sell on Amazon on "vacation mode" - meaning we are selling nothing on Amazon other than a couple products we are sending to Prime for them to ship.

It is extremely risky on many levels for any person or company to become dependent upon Amazon. With no warning, Amazon may announce they are seizing your money for 90 days (no appeal), summarily eliminating one or more of your products, and other surprise wipe-you-out practices of Amazon. Yes, Amazon is big (17.5% of all online retail sales with WalMart 2nd at 5%), but it building a business upon Amazon sales might be creating your own destruction. That is not counting that Amazon probably will be making more off your sales than you do for their many VERY high fees - particularly if you buy advertising.

If Amazon's numbers shows you are making a lot of money on a product, Amazon will start selling it and instantly wipe you out. Because of our product lines, that is not really a risk to us, but still we have no confidence in Amazon and will not allow it to become a significant aspect of the business(es).

Also, it is uncertain if FedEx, UPS and the USPS will continue servicing all areas. A company could find they have dozens, hundreds or thousands of orders with no way to get them delivered - and even if all are refunded then you credit card processors, Paypal, Google Wallet etc might close your account and ban you. This is a high risk time for online businesses, not just brick and mortar stores.

We are currently setting all websites (all turned off now for revamping) to be able to turn them on and off on a minute's notice to regulate sales and risk factors.

I know it's has to be a hard time for all businesses, but here in California the governor has closed all non-essential stores. When you add the 24+/- million who've been told to stay home, it seems to me on-line shopping has to increase and like you say they own a huge share of the on-line market.

My wife signed us up for Amazon Prime a couple of years ago and we've been buying much more of our 'stuff' on-line then ever before. We also use Prime Video for our on-line movies. Most items we buy arrive the next day or the day after, so up to now, we couldn't be happier with their services, although I didn't know about their strong arm tactics. Do you believe what Amazon claims about small businesses being half of of their business?

Eve after this pandemic subsides, I fear that on-line shopping will continue to increase all over America. I don't like this for a number of reasons. I hope it doesn't separate us more than we are and I would hate it if shacking hands is permanently replaced with that ridiculous elbow bump. Six months ago I told my wife we should use some of our savings to buy gold, but we never got around to it. You snooze you lose...

 

[joko104]

I know it's has to be a hard time for all businesses, but here in California the governor has closed all non-essential stores. When you add the 24+/- million who've been told to stay home, it seems to me on-line shopping has to increase and like you say they own a huge share of the on-line market.

My wife signed us up for Amazon Prime a couple of years ago and we've been buying much more of our 'stuff' on-line then ever before. We also use Prime Video for our on-line movies. Most items we buy arrive the next day or the day after, so up to now, we couldn't be happier with their services, although I didn't know about their strong arm tactics. Do you believe what Amazon claims about small businesses being half of of their business?

Eve after this pandemic subsides, I fear that on-line shopping will continue to increase all over America. I don't like this for a number of reasons. I hope it doesn't separate us more than we are and I would hate it if shacking hands is permanently replaced with that ridiculous elbow bump. Six months ago I told my wife we should use some of our savings to buy gold, but we never got around to it. You snooze you lose...

A long topic, so I'll limit the response.

Over half of what is sold on Amazon are now products stocked and sold by Amazon itself. They used info from their merchants at the merchants' expenses to learn what is selling. If high volume, Amazon uses its massive buying power to offer the product itself - and Amazon does not pay 15% commission nor any advertising fees to itself - while putting it's product above your's. Amazon is NOT open about which products they are the merchant and which ones they are not.

Consumers love Amazon. Merchants hated it even if selling on Amazon.

A real problem with Amazon products - especially by merchants - are massive levels of fraudulent products. Most "health" products on Amazon by merchants are fraudulent, being made in someone's kitchen or garage. That herbal supplement more likely are capsules filled with dried grass clippings and that powder in that capsule probably is just calcium or flour. Probably 90%+ of name brand designer items are cheap fake knock-offs.

Amazon does take huge fees and people buy their way by bidding to the top of the page on search terms. Since fake products are vastly cheaper for merchants than legitimate products, it is the fake products that buy their way to the top since their product costs next to nothing. Amazon has almost NO safeguards against fraudulent products nor do customer reviews do much good. Scamsters use relatives and friends to both post praises of their own products, while making false consumer reports against legitimate companies.

I would strongly suggest not buying anything you would put on or in your body off of Amazon or eBay. We do sell on Amazon, but do so less and less. Of our competitors? We know in fact over 90% of their products are either fake or diluted - they being people selling out of their apartment, kitchen or a storage unit. Anyone can buy empty bottles, capsules to fill and a capsule filler, print labels and make themselves look like a major company. Because Amazon does not allow merchants to list their phone number and severely restricts even the amount of info in listings, there are little safeguards.

If you do buy, buy from listings that are much longer and with variations of type (letters) and with photos within the body of the listing. This is ONLY allowed to merchants who at least have the registered trademark for the product on record with Amazon. Few home based merchants do as it takes many months. Anyway, good luck!

 

[bluesmoke]

80 or 90 % of the posts you read here.

Simple : )

Rampant idiocy is "the order of the day," it's impossible NOT to see.

Well, if it's 80 or 90%, then you should have nor problem picking out one of each. Or, do you just like to make derogatory accusation without substantiation? I mean, if you can name a poster, that makes it real. Otherwise, you're just hiding behind a cloak of non-responsibility. You can't be held responsible nor have to defend yourself for making derogatory accusation of others. And, if it's 80-90% and impossible not to see, you're not really saying anything. This is a debate forum, and you're taking a somewhat non-position that holds no debate water.