Don't like the results of an election? Hold another one.

[MaggieD]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News

"It's an outrage that politically motivated third parties threatened the economic future of this facility and the opportunity for workers to create a successful operating model that would grow jobs in Tennessee," UAW President Bob King said.

Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

 

[sangha]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News



Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

That's nothing new. Throughout the history of democracy, when elections are corrupted they are often re-done.

 

[Moot]

I don't think a new election will change the outcome.

 

[ocean515]

That's nothing new. Throughout the history of democracy, when elections are corrupted they are often re-done.

Exactly. Makes one wonder why the UAW thinks they can overturn this one.

 

[sangha]

Exactly. Makes one wonder why the UAW thinks they can overturn this one.

Not if one reads the OP

 

[tech30528]

I'm amused by the UAW claiming they lost because of political influence. At this point they look like they are trying to force a protection racket.

 

[ocean515]

Not if one reads the OP

I'm familiar with the story. The job killers are butt hurt over Corker and others who had every right to voice their opinion. They think they applied undue influence on the workers.

Why the UAW wants to claim autoworkers in Tenn. are mindless dolts is beyond me. Perhaps that's the kind of person who makes a good UAW member, and that's the kind of people they are used to directing. Perhaps they hope a second chance will allow them to bring in more central committee "influencers" to intimidate, er, "inform" the VW workers should there be another run at owning the workforce.

 

[sangha]

I'm familiar with the story.

Then why post that BS about not knowing why the UAW thinks it might be able to get a re-vote

The job killers are butt hurt over Corker and others who had every right to voice their opinion. They think they applied undue influence on the workers.

Why the UAW wants to claim autoworkers in Tenn. are mindless dolts is beyond me. Perhaps that's the kind of person who makes a good UAW member, and that's the kind of people they are used to directing. Perhaps they hope a second chance will allow them to bring in more central committee "influencers" to intimidate, er, "inform" the VW workers should there be another run at owning the workforce.

Ahh, I see. Your post about not knowing why the UAW is trying to overturn the election has been exposed for as BS, so now you're going to rant about something else and hope no one notices that your BS was debunked.

 

[Fletch]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News



Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

Apparently the UAW only wants elections that are influenced by them. Anyone opposed to what they want just has to keep their opinions to themselves, I guess. Leftists love democracy, just so long as the people vote the way they want them to.

 

[Moot]

Apparently the UAW only wants elections that are influenced by them. Anyone opposed to what they want just has to keep their opinions to themselves, I guess. Leftists love democracy, just so long as the people vote the way they want them to.

The republican gerrymandered congress undermines and negates your opinion.

 

[joG]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News



Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

I thought the unions had wanted to introduce the German system of labor participation on the board of the plant. That is, what was reported here , anyway. That would be quite something else to labor being represented by a union. As a matter of fact, it would be a reduction in ownership ie property rights. That would almost certainly go to court.

 

[ocean515]

Then why post that BS about not knowing why the UAW thinks it might be able to get a re-vote



Ahh, I see. Your post about not knowing why the UAW is trying to overturn the election has been exposed for as BS, so now you're going to rant about something else and hope no one notices that your BS was debunked.

As usual, reality is proving a challenge. My initial statement comes from a perspective that the UAW doesn't have a pot to pee in. They can claim anything, and UAW followers can follow the commands, but it remains to be seen how the NLRB will rule. Of course, given the joke the NLRB has become, it's hard to guess what will happen.

So, tell me, how can an opinion be "debunked"? Seems to me obsession is getting in the way of rational posts. Perhaps you don't want to be so obvious about it.

 

[Fletch]

The republican gerrymandered congress undermines and negates your opinion.

No it doesn't. But try to stay on topic if you can.

 

[sangha]

As usual, reality is proving a challenge. My initial statement comes from a perspective that the UAW doesn't have a pot to pee in.

No, your initial statement dishonestly stated that you wondered why the UAW thinks it can overturn the election, even though you know why they think that

 

[ocean515]

No, your initial statement dishonestly stated that you wondered why the UAW thinks it can overturn the election, even though you know why they think that

Dishonestly? As I have stated, I don't think the UAW has a pot to pee in. How is that dishonest?

It would seem your challenge is your obsession with turning other peoples words into something they are not. I guess you're proving BS can certainly set up a permanent home in some people. Not sure you're meaning to do that.

 

[sangha]

Dishonestly? As I have stated, I don't think the UAW has a pot to pee in. How is that dishonest?

Because that is not what you said. You said that one can wonder why the UAW thinks it can have the election overturned

You know why the UAW thinks it can have it overturned. You just disagree with them.

 

[ocean515]

Because that is not what you said. You said that one can wonder why the UAW thinks it can have the election overturned

You know why the UAW thinks it can have it overturned. You just disagree with them.

:lamo

You don't actually read your own words do you?

I understand why they want to try again, based on their belief they think the workers in Tenn are stupid mindless dolts.

Not sure why your obsessing over this.

It's clear to me the workers told the UAW to F off, which to me is a very good idea, given the UAW's history of not caring a bit about the real future of the people they intimidate into their ownership.

 

[sangha]

based on their belief they think the workers in Tenn are stupid mindless dolts.

Since there is no evidence to support your claim, this is just as dishonest as your initial post

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Reminds me of algore wanting recount after recount until it would come out his way.:roll:

 

[radcen]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News

Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

That's standard operating procedure here in Iowa. That desired tax didn't pass? Run it by the voters again. In a special election, no less. Keep doing it until people finally give up and approve it.

The county to the south of mine has run a tax for a new courthouse by it's voters three times. Failed every time. It's already scheduled for a fourth vote to be held in the near future.

The sales tax increase here in my county had to be voted on three times before it eventually passed on the third vote.

 

[ocean515]

Since there is no evidence to support your claim, this is just as dishonest as your initial post

No evidence? According to everything I've read, the UAW is appealing the results based on the belief that Corker and other outside groups used undue influence to sway the results.

What this means is that the UAW believes the workers can't think for themselves and are easily swayed, which means they think the workers are mindless dolts who don't know any better.

The UAW isn't claiming the ballot boxes were stuffed, or anything else like that.

Sorry the facts escape you, but the bottom line is what it is.

 

[sangha]

What this means is that the UAW believes the workers can't think for themselves and are easily swayed

No, it doesn't mean that. Your claim is dishonest hyperbole

 

[ocean515]

No, it doesn't mean that. Your claim is dishonest hyperbole

The only hyperbole is in your claim of corruption. There is not proof of that, so the BS badge is firmly affixed to your yoke.

What else should one assume when the UAW's appeal is based on a claim of undue influence. They are saying that Corker and others lied, and the workers weren't smart enough to know that.

It's kind of surprising they are taking such an approach, since they depend on "stupid" as a basis for their support.

 

[sangha]

The only hyperbole is in your claim of corruption.

I did not make any claim of corruption. The UAW made a claim of "undue influence"

Once again, your posts are dishonest.

 

[Perotista]

The UAW has filed paperwork with the NLRB to hold a re-do election at the Toyota plant in Tennessee citing interference by politicians and outside special interest groups had swayed the election.

What a world.

Auto workers union appeals defeat at VW plant in Tennessee | Fox News



Apparently unions create successful operating models for businesses that grow jobs. Yeah, I guess so. "It is against union rules for anyone other than a Broom Handler who has been specially trained to sweep the floor."

Tell that to Eastern Airlines and those who use to work for Eastern. The management of Eastern came to agreements with every union except the pilots union. The pilots knew if Eastern didn't agree to their huge increase in wages they could easily go to work for another airline and not miss a beat. But others, office workers, ticket people, stewardess's etc were not so lucky. The pilot's union drove Eastern out of business.

There are quite a lot of people around the Atlanta area because of one union out of 6 or 7 that represented different types of workers wouldn't come to agreement has left a very bad taste for unions among those who use to work for Eastern.