Don't blame democrats for investigations

[theLiquidGuy]

Impeachment Inquiry
Democrats did not initiate the process that led to the Impeachment Inquiry.The whistle blower and the IG did. The IG determined that the complaint was "credible" and "urgent". Once congress received a credible, urgent complaint they really had no choice but to consider it.

Mueller Probe
Also, Democrats did not launch the Mueller investigation. In effect, Trump did that when he brilliantly decided to fire Comey and then matched that brilliance by confessing the reason to Lester Holt. When you guys blame democrats for the "witch hunt", you are just lying to yourselves.

FISA
The IG report coming out on Dec 8 is expected to conclude that starting the investigation was justified. I know that republicans have chanted for years that the dems are to blame for this investigation. But that has never been true. The US system of justice started up this investigation. And Mueller, a republican, controlled the length of the investigation.

Blame the system. Not the democrats.

 

[uptower]

They will anyway

 

[marke]

Impeachment Inquiry
Democrats did not initiate the process that led to the Impeachment Inquiry.The whistle blower and the IG did. The IG determined that the complaint was "credible" and "urgent". Once congress received a credible, urgent complaint they really had no choice but to consider it.

Mueller Probe
Also, Democrats did not launch the Mueller investigation. In effect, Trump did that when he brilliantly decided to fire Comey and then matched that brilliance by confessing the reason to Lester Holt. When you guys blame democrats for the "witch hunt", you are just lying to yourselves.

FISA
The IG report coming out on Dec 8 is expected to conclude that starting the investigation was justified. I know that republicans have chanted for years that the dems are to blame for this investigation. But that has never been true. The US system of justice started up this investigation. And Mueller, a republican, controlled the length of the investigation.

Blame the system. Not the democrats.

The mysterious whistleblower supposedly filed a complaint with Trump-hating leftists who certified his 3rd hand account to be more accurate than the President's, thus enabling Trump hating democrats in the House to ship the whistleblower off to exile in Siberia while they took his 'certified' complaint into their dungeon to start the impeachment proceedings they had been clamoring for for 3 years.

 

[Mycroft]

Impeachment Inquiry
Democrats did not initiate the process that led to the Impeachment Inquiry.The whistle blower and the IG did. The IG determined that the complaint was "credible" and "urgent". Once congress received a credible, urgent complaint they really had no choice but to consider it.

Mueller Probe
Also, Democrats did not launch the Mueller investigation. In effect, Trump did that when he brilliantly decided to fire Comey and then matched that brilliance by confessing the reason to Lester Holt. When you guys blame democrats for the "witch hunt", you are just lying to yourselves.

FISA
The IG report coming out on Dec 8 is expected to conclude that starting the investigation was justified. I know that republicans have chanted for years that the dems are to blame for this investigation. But that has never been true. The US system of justice started up this investigation. And Mueller, a republican, controlled the length of the investigation.

Blame the system. Not the democrats.

I don't blame Democrats. I blame Trump haters.

Show me a Democrat who is not a Trump hater and I won't blame them for anything.

btw, like all good little Democrats, you pretend not to know things.

Impeachment Inquiry
Ciaramella went to the House Dems BEFORE he went to the IC IG. The IC IG was part of the Obama DOJ/FBI small group who started the whole Trump/Russia nonsense.

Mueller Probe
This was a continuation of the efforts of the Obama DOJ/FBI small group's efforts and was planned out before Trump was inaugurated. Many of that Obama DOJ/FBI small group were part of the Mueller Probe.

FISA
The FISA abuse was perpetrated by that same Obama DOJ/FBI small group.

Don't make the mistake of believing the "reports" from the Trump-hating media. You will be better served waiting for and reading the actual report.

 

[lpast]

Democrats have been talking about impeachment for 3 yrs, they just finally went out and created a whistleblower. Everyone knows this was a democrat setup that theyve been attempting since trump became Potus

Mueller was a creation of Democrats who lied about trump and russia, hillary and her crowd, along with Loretta Lynch at the behest of obama got the russia gate going, hence mueller.

After 2 full yrs of Mueller and 12 flat out democrat investigators and they got nothing.

Democrats have been attempting a coup on trump from day one, the country knows it, the independents see exactly what this entire impeachment farce is and they arent buying it.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The mysterious whistleblower supposedly filed a complaint with Trump-hating leftists who certified his 3rd hand account to be more accurate than the President's, thus enabling Trump hating democrats in the House to ship the whistleblower off to exile in Siberia while they took his 'certified' complaint into their dungeon to start the impeachment proceedings they had been clamoring for for 3 years.

You forgot the bit about human sacrifices in the SPLC HQ lobby.

 

[theLiquidGuy]

The mysterious whistleblower supposedly filed a complaint with Trump-hating leftists who certified his 3rd hand account to be more accurate than the President's, thus enabling Trump hating democrats in the House to ship the whistleblower off to exile in Siberia while they took his 'certified' complaint into their dungeon to start the impeachment proceedings they had been clamoring for for 3 years.

"Partisanship and bias." This is the "go to" defense that republicans use for mitigating any damaging news that comes out. They have beat the hell out of that ever since 2016. It's gotten old. very, very old.

The mysterious whistleblower supposedly filed a complaint with Trump-hating leftists

That "Trump-Hating Leftist" is the Trump-appointed Inspector General, Michael Atkinson. He has no party affiliation.

From The Hill:
Atkinson, who has been the inspector general of
the intelligence community for a little more than
a year under President Trump, is described as a
no-nonsense, serious and nonpartisan career
prosecutor who showed a strong commitment
to the law throughout his nearly two-decade
career at the Department of Justice.

who certified his 3rd hand account to be more accurate than the President's

You don't know it's third hand. It may be 2nd hand. But so what? it was verified to be credible and urgent by a non-partisan Trump-appointed IG. Also, all the testimony and info that has come out since then confirms the broad strokes of what was in the complaint. Attacking the WB is just another republican distraction.

The President is a known repeated liar. Last I checked he has made 13,000 false or misleading statements. There is an veritable mountain of empirical evidence to show that. So yes, I absolutely take the word of the WB over the President. I would be a fool not to.

Your entire comment sounds like a Hannity closing statement.

 

[theLiquidGuy]

I don't blame Democrats. I blame Trump haters.

Show me a Democrat who is not a Trump hater and I won't blame them for anything.

Do I hate Trump? I don't think I do. I think if I were to hang out with him it would be a blast.
Do I hate his Policies? Yes, for the most part. For example, I think his incendiary rhetoric against groups of people like immigrants, the media, democrats, and muslims has turned everyone's thanksgiving dinner into shouting matches. He needs to stop making it ok to hate your neighbor. Hmm... Wait. I was wrong. I think maybe I do hate him.

btw, like all good little Democrats, you pretend not to know things.

You have misjudged me.

Impeachment Inquiry
Ciaramella went to the House Dems BEFORE he went to the IC IG. The IC IG was part of the Obama DOJ/FBI small group who started the whole Trump/Russia nonsense.

(1) I am a aware that the WB approached the committee staffers with his complaint after he discovered his first attempt to file the complaint was being ignored by the AG. But, the WB did not directly speak with any committee members. The staffers properly redirected the WB to the IG. There was no inappropriate action by anyone despite baseless insinuations. The only one with inappropriate behaviour on the committee is Devin Nunes. I look forward to hearing him refuse to deny his behaviour under oath.

(2) You are mistaken about the integrity of the ICIG. The ICIG was appointed by Trump. His name is Michael Atkinson and he has no party affiliations.

Mueller Probe
This was a continuation of the efforts of the Obama DOJ/FBI small group's efforts and was planned out before Trump was inaugurated. Many of that Obama DOJ/FBI small group were part of the Mueller Probe.

Again, the Dec 8 IG report is expected to conclude that the Russia probe was properly predicated. I understand that this finding is contrary to your deeply held beliefs due to the constant propaganda from FoxNews hosts and Infowars. But you can't reject the report just because right wing opinion hosts have been incorrectly implying the opposite for ages. They couldn't find collusion, but that doesn't mean that the investigation was improperly started.

Furthermore, the Mueller probe was controlled by a republican. It is unreasonable of you to demand that investigation teams be devoid of democrats. Half the country is democrat. This complaint of democratic bias is just a cop out that Republicans have been forced to use there is little other justification for this president's --shall we say-- "unconventional" behaviour.

"Planned out"? If you are gonna make wild accusations like that,you better back it up. care to offer some proof?

FISA
The FISA abuse was perpetrated by that same Obama DOJ/FBI small group.

Don't make the mistake of believing the "reports" from the Trump-hating media. You will be better served waiting for and reading the actual report.

"Trump-hating media!" "Trump-hating media!" "Trump-hating media!" This has been driven into your head as a means of controlling you. You won't believe that. You won't understand that. But that is what the current right wing media does. Instead of arguing on the facts, they say: "don't believe the left!" "Don't listen to them!" "Don't watch the hearings! IT'S BORING" "BORING" They want you to hear only one side. And probably you only want to hear one side too. Look up "cognitive dissonance"

The media makes judgements of a president based on their behaviour. If they "hate" someone there is an underlying reason. Maybe you should ask them why.

Lastly...
You sir, are a conspiracy theorist. Claiming that everyone else is lying, that the system is rigged, and everyone is against you... These are the last resorts of people who do not have a strong case to make. Don't lose your grip on reality. It is important to consume a spectrum of news media in order to get both sides of the story. Sean Hannity will melt your brain if he's all you are willing to listen to. Try Rachel Maddow or Chris Cuomo once in a while, and you might not end up looking like a fool on the forums. Youtube them.

 

[theLiquidGuy]

Democrats did not cause these investigations.

Democrats have been talking about impeachment for 3 yrs, they just finally went out and created a whistleblower. Everyone knows this was a democrat setup that theyve been attempting since trump became Potus

Everyone? really? Any evidence?

Strong accusations like that require strong proof. Back it up, or zip it up.

Mueller was a creation of Democrats who lied about trump and russia, hillary and her crowd, along with Loretta Lynch at the behest of obama got the russia gate going, hence mueller.

Another conspiracy theorist. I am starting to enjoy all the wild theories you guys throw out. I can't wait for you to show your evidence.
Mueller was a republican. I am sure you know that.

"Democrats lied about Trump and Russia?" Can you list a couple of lies please? The lie, and the person who uttered the lie. Then we can talk. Thanks.


You are just parroting the right-wing conspiracy theories from Infowars and Sean Hannity. They are not credible source. They make you look foolish here. Please get other sources of info.

After 2 full yrs of Mueller and 12 flat out democrat investigators and they got nothing.

Democrats have been attempting a coup on trump from day one, the country knows it, the independents see exactly what this entire impeachment farce is and they arent buying it.

You see, this is my entire point: Democrats did not start that investigation. The mueller probe was started when Trump shot off his big mouth about why he fired Comey. So he got what he deserved: An investigation. No one would or could ignore that firing. Therefore, it wasn't "democrats" that got nothing. It was the investigation that could not find sufficient evidence of conspiracy. However, I kinda wonder what they would have found if the president did not obstruct their investigation.

What actions have democrats taken to effect a coup? Again, list them, and then we can talk.

The lastest poll I have seen showed 50% of the country support not only impeachment, but REMOVAL from office.
Only 43% oppose.

 

[danielpalos]

They will anyway

We need to learn how to have no confidence in the sincerity of the right wing.

 

[danielpalos]

The mysterious whistleblower supposedly filed a complaint with Trump-hating leftists who certified his 3rd hand account to be more accurate than the President's, thus enabling Trump hating democrats in the House to ship the whistleblower off to exile in Siberia while they took his 'certified' complaint into their dungeon to start the impeachment proceedings they had been clamoring for for 3 years.

It went to the IG who found it credible.

 

[Cardinal]

You forgot the bit about human sacrifices in the SPLC HQ lobby.

It was implied.

 

[Perotista]

Impeachment Inquiry
Democrats did not initiate the process that led to the Impeachment Inquiry.The whistle blower and the IG did. The IG determined that the complaint was "credible" and "urgent". Once congress received a credible, urgent complaint they really had no choice but to consider it.

Mueller Probe
Also, Democrats did not launch the Mueller investigation. In effect, Trump did that when he brilliantly decided to fire Comey and then matched that brilliance by confessing the reason to Lester Holt. When you guys blame democrats for the "witch hunt", you are just lying to yourselves.

FISA
The IG report coming out on Dec 8 is expected to conclude that starting the investigation was justified. I know that republicans have chanted for years that the dems are to blame for this investigation. But that has never been true. The US system of justice started up this investigation. And Mueller, a republican, controlled the length of the investigation.

Blame the system. Not the democrats.

I don't blame anyone, but it's no secret the Democrats set out to destroy Trump since the day after the election. Trump just keeps on giving the democrats help in destroying him. I've never seen the love/hate relationship in any president that Trump has inspired. Sure many Republicans hated Obama, most Democrats loved him. Same for G.W. Bush, but we then begin to get into dislike and like more than love and hate.

what happens with Trump, happens. I really don't care one way or the other. For me 2016 was a good news/bad news election. The good news, Clinton lost, the bad news, Trump won. If I had my way, neither would have won. But when the present system comes up with candidates in which 56% and 60% of All Americans view them negatively, what do you expect?

Okay, I do blame someone. Both major parties for giving America two bum choices. Shame on all democrats and all republicans.

 

[Hamish Howl]

It was implied.

It better be. I didn't get all dressed up for nothing.