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What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
No, I'm saying that if gay soldiers are allowed to serve in combat arms units, a problem will come into existance, that currently doesn't exist.
If you were in the Army, you should know that there are many cases, where soldiers are incapable of being adults.
not really, they will just have to get over it. like they did when they integrated the service. there were white soldiers that didn't want to billet with black soldiers and vice-versa and we got over that.
As I mentioned earlier the kind of gay person who would want to join the miitary will be the kind of person with the moral character to resist raping his bunkmate. Of course there will be exceptions, but there always are with any situation.
I talked about: the 9th Circus doesn't have jurisdiction over military regulations.
What if 2 different soldiers in the same situation were passing around a bottle of Jack Daniels. Soldiers lives would be in jeopardy. Should the military proactively make any and all drinking grounds for discharge just in case some alcoholic soldiers cannot control themselves in a combat situation?
And, you understand better than I because of your extensive military service. Yes?
Can you force a female soldier to bunk with a male soldier?
no, but I think you should. what the hell...this isn't the freakin middle ages. I personally think if you are going to have a coed service then everyone should ****, shave, shower and sleep together. If you can't act like a fraking responsible adult, then I don't want your immature ass serving with me.
You're right, you did say that. And now still nobody has addressed it. Not that it's definitely true; I have a suspicion that it's not. But I don't know. Does anyone have an argument against this?
Does anyone here want to talk about the actual topic? Or is just going to be another DADT should-or-shouldn't-it-be-there of a million?
actually, drinking alcohol in a combat zone is in direct violation of general order #1 and you can get discharged for violating the order.
Military courts do not rule on Constitutional issues.I think in many cases, the 9th circuit court oversteps its bounds. military matters should be left up to the DoD, joint chiefs, CiC and not some liberal court in california
Military courts do not rule on Constitutional issues.
apdst..you are not dealing with different genders. They are still male/female. You cannot compare the two.
You might have had a point...if this was 20, 30, 40 years ago. Today, your point fails miserably, since the rest of society handles gays with no trouble. It's not social engineering, it's being a part of society.
I wonder how many soldiers would have stated, or perhaps did not, re-enlist or seek to join the military immediately before and after segregation was ended? Probably a fair number to be concerned, however it happened and in the end it obviously made the military stronger. Soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen put up with and deal with willingly conditions and situations which no would deny are tough, and from my experience people in those situation quickly forget about the stuff that doesn't really matter. And what your fellow soldier doesn't in his private time is one of those things. I can't think of a single instance in American history where making the military both more inclusive and egalitarian has harmed it.
Take into consideration that Mark Bingham, who was one of the leaders of the attempted takeover of United 93 on 9/11, was an openly gay man. However he clearly showed all the qualities necessary to being a good soldier, but would have never been allowed to join the service. Should a person of that quality be denied a chance to serve his country in the military if he wanted?
And lets also remember that only military has a DADT policy, or any kind of special consideration of gay individuals. One could be gay and join the CIA, FBI, police forces, be elected to any public office, or literally do anything that anyone here would consider "service to one's country" but they can't be in the military because soldiers might not like it? Bull****. If Americans literally everywhere can "put up" with a gay person as a co-worker, colleague, or anywhere else in their life than soldiers, who are these same Americans, can to.
And that's another thing - Private Life.
I couldn't say the Army was very private. And homosexuality being what it is, I'm not surprised soldiers would at the very least feel very uncomfortable at the idea of Pte. Privates wittering on about his man ***** off base.
As long as you do your job and don't make waves, certainly. But making a big bloody performance out of it by indulging in gay marches and the like? Blows that right of the water.
What's more, there have been disgusting cases regarding STRAIGHT servicemen and other public servants being FORCED to indulge the gay love-in and being punished for refusing.
British Forces at the 2008 Gay Pride March in London « Marquesate’s Camouflage Men: Military Gay Erotic Fiction
Pop mogul-turned-pastor pledges cash to help firemen in gay row - Times Online
There's no choice any more - you have to do the gay lobby's bidding else you're for it!
And as for the hypocritical leftist cry of 'if you don't like it then GTFO'? I don't hear them saying that to the likes of the extremist or pushy Muslims!
Hmm, I guess I would argue with this, the gender is irrelevant without the sexual component.
So, actually, a gay man bunking with other men is kind of like men/woman bunking together.
If the assumption is that every single gay soldier is a sex crazed maniac that'll rape the other soldiers...
Just because there are 2 gay people in a unit, does not mean they will automatically fuck...
The rules of liking someone still apply...
not really, since gay men are typically not attracted to heterosexual men. If I know a fellow soldier is gay and he knows that I am not, he will be no more likely to attempt a relationnship with me than a straight guy.
To suggest that gay and straight men cannot share the same billets underestimates the character of the american soldier.
You guys aren't seeing the big picture. Getting a blow job - at ANY time - is detrimental to the safety of the soldiers everywhere. And unit cohesion. And stuffs. A tongue touching a dick will cause soldiers and puppies to die. Why do you hate the soldiers so much?
Isn't this the same argument for why women shouldn't be serving in the armed forces?
I don't know what gay experiences you have had, but I can personally attest to gay men being attracted to me (hetero) on multiple occasions. Attraction doesn't start/stop based on a checklist.
I'm attracted to lesbians, so conversely I would also point out that idea is false.
No because gender is a proven genetic trait unlike homosexuality.
No because gender is a proven genetic trait unlike homosexuality.
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