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Thank you.
Thats what Ive been trying to point out, that he is using it all wrong.
You, Gunny... err.. sorry, Massa Saarge, and myself have all pointed that out to him now.
And Gunney is a real tight ass about military procedure usually.....
err... Massa sarge...sorry.
I keep wanting to call him Master Chief....
Yes, but he is using Fraternization all wrong. There is nothing to stop any officer from attending any wedding of another service member. Hell, there is nothing stopping officers from, on occasion, partying with enlisted members. My going away party when I got out had several officers present, including our skipper. His 12 years of service has not made him right.
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of rank or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the command to accomplish its mission.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/fraternization.-u3q.htm
Where they get you on fraternization is with the "perceived" or "appears to" bull****. All it takes is for one whiney arsed, pansy, piece of crap to complain and holy**** batman...you've got perception and/or appearance of impropriety. Doesn't matter whether there is anything wrong going on or not...bastards
I see the regulation, and what Redress said does not appear to compromise that list.
Then they shut his stupid ass up when they remind him that Specialist promotion usually comes at the 24 month mark reguardless, unless you've been punished under UCMJ.That's exactly right.
PFC Joe gets married on saturday and invites his company commander, Captain Bob. Monday morning, PFC Joe is promoted to Specialist. PFC Frank is pissed, because either he doesn't like Joe, he doesn't like Bob, felt like HE should have been promoted, or is just a whiney little asshole and marches his ass right up to the battalion commander's office and starts a whole truckload of ****.
This is why officers do not put themselves in these types of situations.
Then they shut his stupid ass up when they remind him that Specialist promotion usually comes at the 24 month mark reguardless, unless you've been punished under UCMJ.
Then they shut his stupid ass up when they remind him that Specialist promotion usually comes at the 24 month mark reguardless, unless you've been punished under UCMJ.
true. the point is, if you are an officer you have to make damned sure that you don't allow yourself to get into situations where your actions can be questioned.
I see nothing wrong with officers attending social gatherings with enlisted. Where the problems come in is when the Company CO starts hanging out at Joe Snuffy's house on the weekend and going on fisihing trips with him.
Attending weddings, parties, etc should pose no problems and in most cases are beneficial to morale.
Officers partying with enlisted men doesn't comprimise the regulations?
unless they are in vegas or at a casino, gambling of any sort is illegal.You're just being obtuse, now. What about officers and enlisted men gambling?
true. the point is, if you are an officer you have to make damned sure that you don't allow yourself to get into situations where your actions can be questioned.
I see nothing wrong with officers attending social gatherings with enlisted. Where the problems come in is when the Company CO starts hanging out at Joe Snuffy's house on the weekend and going on fisihing trips with him.
Attending weddings, parties, etc should pose no problems and in most cases are beneficial to morale.
Situations like that are MET-T.
Ya'll definitely need to learn more about how fraternization is defined. You should also learn how fraternization is defined, in relationship to chain of command.
AR 600-20:
Another voice of experience. What happens when that person turns out to be gay and is a heterophobe?
You all act as if the problem is about homophobic straights that are too prejudiced to serve with gay soldiers.
I can't believe that people who claim to so enligthened and intelligent are having such a hard time seeing the bigger picture.
And you have proven me right. Nothing there says a CO could not, or should not attend a wedding.
There's no surprise that you don't understand.
There's no surprise that you don't understand.
Right! I don't know jack **** about the Army. Ok, got it!
What was your MOS, BTW? Class-9 clerk? Supply specialist?
I keep wanting to call him Master Chief....
Personally, I started as a Field Wireman and today I'm a Comm Chief. Along the way I was a Radioman in Somalia & Haiti and led patrols on streets and to clear buildings in Iraq.
You're the only one that understands right?
Even though every other vet around here disagrees with you.
Which vet diagrees with me? Redress? She was in the Navy. I'm speaking from the view point--as always--of a veteran member of an actual combat unit, not a pogues unit that never saw a single minute of trigger time.
So, basically, two-thirds of the vets on this thread tell you one thing, but we're all wrong? Again?
I still fail to see how having homosexuals in combat units somehow hurts the unit.
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