Seriously? It's their fault that their child died because they left a door open on THEIR property? god damn.
I am a big believer in finding out the reasoning and all circumstances of a situation before insisting that someone be charged with a crime.
Seriously? It's their fault that their child died because they left a door open on THEIR property? god damn.
that's not what I said. knee-jerk much?
Can a mod (except Redress) fix the spelling mistake in the poll?
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Would the parents be partially responsible if they left the door open on their property and the child wandered away? What if a wild animal got inside?
Would the parents be partially responsible if they left the door open on their property and the child wandered away? What if a wild animal got inside?
Nice straw man, but that's not what happened. The adult was badly mauled trying to defend the child.
Nice straw man, but that's not what happened. The adult was badly mauled trying to defend the child.
I think it's perfectly relevant to the responsibility discussion. If the parent does not protect the property and that lack of protection allows access for any harm to the child, does the parent then have any level of responsibility?
I think it's perfectly relevant to the responsibility discussion. If the parent does not protect the property and that lack of protection allows access for any harm to the child, does the parent then have any level of responsibility?
Fine, i will answer your straw man. If there was not an adult present, and the child was unsupervised, the parent would have some responsibility if the child were harmed. However, that is not what happened.
you are the one who brought up carelessness. who is to blame is irrelevent. it is careless to leave your dwelling unsecured, for a variety of reasons.
You can keep calling it a strawman if you want, but you're the one who brought it up. A differing opinion on your point doesn't = strawman.
You can keep calling it a strawman if you want, but you're the one who brought it up. A differing opinion on your point doesn't = strawman.
So you are, in fact, saying that it was the parent's fault for having their door open. And no-who to blame is VERY relevant.
What, carelessness? The dog's owner WAS careless and a child died because of it. You are arguing about something that did not take place. therefore it IS a straw man.
exactly. if this had been a wild animal instead of a neighboring pet, would people be screaming for mother nature to be thrown in jail?
So you are, in fact, saying that it was the parent's fault for having their door open. And no-who to blame is VERY relevant.
What, carelessness? The dog's owner WAS careless and a child died because of it. You are arguing about something that did not take place. therefore it IS a straw man.
That is plain stupid. Why are people arguing with such dumb ass red herrings?
Jailtime if theres a pattern of it...each case has to be investigated....you dont want to put a responsible dog owner in prison for a first time offense when the dog gets away from him/her one time....so each case on its merits. Here in florida damn near every day a pitbull or two or three in a pack attack someone...its time irresponsible dog owners pay the piper and not the victims
You know, I don't know why you even bother to debate if you're going to be blatantly dishonest about context, your influence on the path of discussion, or the topic in general whenever somebody doesn't fit into your little self-righteous bubble of correctness.
If all you're going to do is accuse me of dishonesty, go ahead and put me on ignore. Please. Because I am tired of people like you being dishonest about what it is they are saying, and then turning around and accusing me of dishonesty. He brought up the open door-not me. I mentioned carelessness-true-but I can't see how any logical person could ever connect carelessness with someone who happens to have their door open while they are in a room in THEIR OWN house. So what now? Everyone should never have a door open because a vicious dog might come in a rip them to pieces? We're not talking about wild animals. THAT is NOT the discussion we are having here. The odds of a wild animal running into someone's house is unlikely, (much less viciously attacking and killing someone), and it isn't the topic of this thread. Furthermore, an adult was present with the children in question, so we are also not discussing neglect or carelessness on their part.
And it's pathetic that you are accusing me of self righteousness. Please kindly keep your ad homs, red herrings, and straw men to yourself. Or put me on ignore. Whatever.
Furthermore, an adult was present with the children in question, so we are also not discussing neglect or carelessness on their part.
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You constantly re-interpret the things I post or make assumptions about what I believe and then use them in the debate as if I actually said, thought, or expressed those things. That is poor debating. .
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position
As others have said, it all depends on the circumstances involved in the incident.
And, yes, I have children. Dogs aren't actually allowed in my neighborhood, but living on the very end of housing, there are houses just on the other side of the street that are not part of the military housing that could have animals. I would not leave my doors/windows open normally. We have a wood privacy fence (at least 6 ft) surrounding our back yard. If a pet of someone's were to come over that fence and hurt one of my children, I'd be wondering what made that person's animal go to such trouble to get at my children. I would insist that everything be looked into, including how the dog/animal was treated by the owner and what the dog's/animal's history of attacks (if any) is.
I am a big believer in finding out the reasoning and all circumstances of a situation before insisting that someone be charged with a crime.
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