Does this make a difference in our trade with Cananda? (4 Viewers)

[Lord Tammerlain]

Wait, what? So there were no subsidies, only price floors that raised the prices paid for milk, not lowered it, and even those raised prices expired ten years ago?

What?


So that raises the price of milk... not lowers it.

And makes it less competitive for sale elsewhere... not more competitive...


For sure, but it distorts it in a way that makes it less competitive to export, not more...

It means US farmers can produce as much as they want regardless of demand as the government will buy everything. Certainly sounds like a subsidy to me

 

[phoenix2020]

So they'll get over the milk thing then, yes?

They'll get over the United States thing by steadily moving away from economic and other ties with the United States. Basically, they'll treat us like a typical American family treats their MAGA cousin who went to far and had to be cut off.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

So they'll get over the milk thing then, yes?

I don't know of any Canadians who were mad about milk. I think you have Canadians confused with Republicans.

Republicans are the ones who are trying to be really enraged about the deal Trump made where in the unlikely event that our dairy exports were to ever exceed the tariff-free amount that Trump dictated, there could possibly, hypothetically be high tariffs on dairy exported over that amount.

I imagine Republicans have to work pretty hard to be enraged about tariffs that have never been imposed, but they are supposed to be enraged about it, so they are doing their darndest to toe the line.

 

[Evilroddy]

Yes, and this RIASED the price of milk from the US, not lowered it? Right?

So why would Canada, or anyone, be mad?

Metric Mouse:

No, the subsidies made up for the losses and now more than 70% of dairy producers' income is coming from subsidies.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Canada puts tariffs as high as 241% on milk and 245% on some cheeses when import quotas are exceeded. I'd call that very protectionist. This is one area that is in need a big do-over for our country's benefit.

I can't for the life of me understand why people continually parrot such ridiculous things. For starters, it's just odd that the very same person who agreed to these terms and was very happy with the deal:

The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It’s the best agreement we’ve ever made, and we have others coming. And, by the way, the China deal, two weeks ago, was just signed. And that’s going to bring $250 billion into our country. One after another.

Now, on to the facts about your high tariffs which Donnie Boy agreed to:

1. Can you cite data demonstrating how much dairy is affected by this tariff?
2. If this tariff is so horribly unfair as Donnie Boy's claiming it is, why did he agree to it in the deal?
3. If protectionist tariffs are bad, why does Donnie Boy want to impose protectionist tariffs on some products?

 

[Metric Mouse]

Metric Mouse:

No, the subsidies made up for the losses and now more than 70% of dairy producers' income is coming from subsidies.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

Yes, they Raised the price of milk... the losses were covered, and a floor price set that meant no producer would take any price lower than the subsidy... so why is Canada mad that the US raised the prices of milk? Producers who might have sold for lower prices now get higher prices from the government and would never flood any market for a lower price.


Again, why is Canada mad?

 

[ElChupacabra]

It's come to our country's attention that it's unfair and time to for Canada to end its supply management system or we renegotiate and implement a similar system on Canadian imports when they exceed our import quotas.

Shouldn't that have been when the treaty was signed, or was this a ninja clause no one knew about?

 

[Metric Mouse]

They'll get over the United States thing by steadily moving away from economic and other ties with the United States. Basically, they'll treat us like a typical American family treats their MAGA cousin who went to far and had to be cut off.

I think that is exactly what Trump wants.

And all he had to do to get what he wants is... nothing? Not even changing a thing with milk and Canada will get mad.

Of course Canada also pissed off China, and got slapped with tariffs from them, so not sure who they want to cuddle up to. The typical Canadian family who fought with everyone and now doesn't get invited to Boxing Day...

 

[trixare4kids]

Trix:

No we don't those are notional tariffs built into the USMCA trade deal which Trump himself negotiated and would only kick in when the US decides to inundate us with dairy products. Those high tariffs have never been imposed. We in Canada don't want your dairy products because of the heavy use of synthetic growth hormones and the heavy abuse of antibiotics which US dairy producers employ to maximize their dairy and beef yields at the expense of consumers health. It is Canadian preferences, some quotas in Quebec and not tariffs which account for low demand for American dairy products in Canada.

Be Well and avoid your dairy products.
Evilroddy.

That's not true.
Canada relies on our milk, importing around 50 or closer to sixty metric tons of our milk.

 

[phoenix2020]

Shouldn't that have been when the treaty was signed, or was this a ninja clause no one knew about?

You have to understand that Donald and @trixare4kids were completely hoodwinked by Trudeau. This is Trix 6-7 years ago about the USMCA, just happy as a claim about a deal she knew nothing about and now declares to be terrible for America.

::crickets::

Where are all the DP debaters who said the Trump admin. would never ever get this deal done? :2wave:
Another Trump campaign deal kept! A trade deal win for Trump! A win for America!
Also,....“It’s a good day for Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said as he left his office.

:2dancing:




https://apnews.com/e88198165b80495f...-reach-deal-to-stay-in-trade-pact-with-Mexico

A one man trade war you say? I don't think so.
Look for a HUGE trade deal with the UK after the Tory win.
Also, a promising trade deal is in the works for China and our country that will benefit American farmers.
"President Trump has agreed to a limited trade agreement with Beijing that will roll back existing tariff rates on Chinese goods and cancel new levies set to take effect Sunday as part of a deal to boost Chinese purchases of U.S. farm goods and obtain other concessions"

Trump Agrees to Limited Trade Deal With China - WSJ

And then there's the fairer USMCA deal and that's bound to be good for our economy with better trade deals on the horizon.

At any rate, thanks for the civility. Who would have thunk? In the basement, no less.

 

[phoenix2020]

That's not true.
Canada relies on our milk, importing around 50 or closer to sixty metric tons of our milk.

The best part about this @trixare4kids post is how she didn’t even bother to check how much milk Canada produces annually. If she had, she might have realized Canada produces some 10 million metric tons of milk per year. And she was so gosh darn proud of her 50-60 tons gotcha. Poor thing.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You have to understand that Donald and @trixare4kids were completely hoodwinked by Trudeau. This is Trix 6-7 years ago about the USMCA, just happy as a claim about a deal she knew nothing about and now declares to be terrible for America.

It's that smile. It seems to smite a whole bunch of people.

 

[Hamish Howl]

If they stopped selling us electricity right now, that would go a long way to fixing this terrible trade deficit, wouldn't it?

Take away the electricity and the oil, and we would have a trade surplus with Canada.

The answer writes itself.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The best part about this @trixare4kids post is how she didn’t even bother to check how much milk Canada produces annually. If she had, she might have realized Canada produces some 10 million metric tons of milk per year. And she was so gosh darn proud of her 50-60 tons gotcha. Poor thing.

This is what happens when people post talking points without doing the homework.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Take away the electricity and the oil, and we would have a trade surplus with Canada.

The answer writes itself.

That wouldn't be fair to Canada though.

I know, they should stop selling us electricity and oil, and we should stop selling them Jack Daniels in return.

In fact, we should just stop producing Jack Daniels altogether. Real whisky comes from Scotland.

 

[Hamish Howl]

That wouldn't be fair to Canada though. I know, they should stop selling us electricity and oil, and we should stop selling them Jack Daniels in return.

In fact, we should just stop producing Jack Daniels altogether. Real whisky comes from Scotland.

Japan has expressed an interest in Canadian oil.

And Jack Daniels is the whiskey bought by people that buy Cybertrucks and Glocks.

 

[Pyrite]

trixare4kids said:
It's come to our country's attention that it's unfair and time to for Canada to end its supply management system or we renegotiate and implement a similar system on Canadian imports when they exceed our import quotas.

Shouldn't that have been when the treaty was signed, or was this a ninja clause no one knew about?

One would assume the U.S. Government that renegotiated the treaty during trump's first term would have caught the "unfair" aspect prior to affixing its signature to the document.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Japan has expressed an interest in Canadian oil.

And Jack Daniels is the whiskey bought by people that buy Cybertrucks and Glocks.

If they can make it happen then they should. All trading partners of the US should start diversifying their trading partners so they don't have to deal with this nonsense in the future. China's been doing it for quite some time, so it gets a little less painful and less of a threat each time. That's the risk with tariffs being the opening salvo in "negotiations".

 

[ElChupacabra]

trixare4kids said:
It's come to our country's attention that it's unfair and time to for Canada to end its supply management system or we renegotiate and implement a similar system on Canadian imports when they exceed our import quotas.



One would assume the U.S. Government that renegotiated the treaty during trump's first term would have caught the "unfair" aspect prior to affixing its signature to the document.

For sure, especially when it's the very same person who heralded it as a success. As is often the case, one is left to think either Donnie Boy is an idiot or a liar.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

If they can make it happen then they should. All trading partners of the US should start diversifying their trading partners so they don't have to deal with this nonsense in the future. China's been doing it for quite some time, so it gets a little less painful and less of a threat each time. That's the risk with tariffs being the opening salvo in "negotiations".

That's ok. Most American's are self-reliant folks who pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, grow their own food in their garden, weave their own cloth from their own cotton that they grew with their own two hands, and build their own computers out of raw minerals that they dug up themselves.

Real Americans never need to buy anything from anyone!

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

For sure, especially when it's the very same person who heralded it as a success. As is often the case, one is left to think either Donnie Boy is an idiot or a liar.

I don't know that it's really an XOR situation.

 

[ElChupacabra]

That's ok. Most American's are self-reliant folks who pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, grow their own food in their garden, weave their own cloth from their own cotton that they grew with their own two hands, and build their own computers out of raw minerals that they dug up themselves.

Real Americans never need to buy anything from anyone!

Damn skippy! I'm just like this kid:

and this one:

I'm working on my manned prototype and plan to get myself to the moon in the next 5 years! Everything is hand sourced and crafted by me, though I should give a shout out to all of those "how to mine and refine metals" videos on YouTube.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I don't know that it's really an XOR situation.

Fair point. Maybe the MAGAverse's penchant for binary views has somehow seeped in; you know, we either stop supporting Ukraine or it's WW3.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Yes we import total goods from Canada than they do from us, but If you look at it differently, by total population then they actually import from us, 7 times more per person than we import from them.

Does that mean the U.S. needs to pay 7X the tariffs?

 

[Linuxcooldude]

I'll answer the question you ran away from: TRUMP NEGOTIATED THE DEAL HE IS SCREAMING ABOUT

Because every thing Biden does, he screws up. The border, Afghan withdrawal, now trade. You you don’t enforce trade agreements, your partners walk all over you.

Unresolved trade disputes with Mexico, Canada pile up under Biden

The three countries in the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement are also preparing for a year six review of the trade pact in 2026, when they have to confirm in

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