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Does Things Like "Streetbeefs" Actually Help Stop Dangerous Forms Of Street Violence?

Does Things Like "Streetbeefs" Actually Help Stop Dangerous Forms Of Street Violence?


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"Streetbeefs" is a YouTube channel that has unsanctioned backyard fights, boxing matches, MMA matches, as a way to settle disputes between two people instead of resorting to gun violence and other forms of dangerous street violence. They also have amateur fights with people who are not well trained if at all, but use it as a way to just let out some aggression. They have a referee, and even a registered nurse there in case of injury and to make sure fights stay one on one, and no dirty tricks (nut shots, eye gouging, etc.). I've always thought that sometimes just having two guys who have a problem just have at it in an environment like that, then at then end it's over with and handshakes all around, is not a terrible thing (so long as it is properly supervised and everyone is on the same page with fight rules, etc.). Do you guys think this is something that actually works... or even more recently, could curb gun violence?

Here is an ESPN article on them.

 
"Streetbeefs" is a YouTube channel that has unsanctioned backyard fights, boxing matches, MMA matches, as a way to settle disputes between two people instead of resorting to gun violence and other forms of dangerous street violence. They also have amateur fights with people who are not well trained if at all, but use it as a way to just let out some aggression. They have a referee, and even a registered nurse there in case of injury and to make sure fights stay one on one, and no dirty tricks (nut shots, eye gouging, etc.). I've always thought that sometimes just having two guys who have a problem just have at it in an environment like that, then at then end it's over with and handshakes all around, is not a terrible thing (so long as it is properly supervised and everyone is on the same page with fight rules, etc.). Do you guys think this is something that actually works... or even more recently, could curb gun violence?

Here is an ESPN article on them.

This increases violence.
 
This increases violence.
Is it violence if the two adults are consenting? If they are consenting, how is it any different than a prize fight besides getting paid? I see your point and where you are coming from, but if they are two consenting adults, and this is the reason why they are not going out and breaking the law, is it a bad thing?

These guys I just found out even have their own championships.
 
"Streetbeefs" is a YouTube channel that has unsanctioned backyard fights, boxing matches, MMA matches, as a way to settle disputes between two people instead of resorting to gun violence and other forms of dangerous street violence. They also have amateur fights with people who are not well trained if at all, but use it as a way to just let out some aggression. They have a referee, and even a registered nurse there in case of injury and to make sure fights stay one on one, and no dirty tricks (nut shots, eye gouging, etc.). I've always thought that sometimes just having two guys who have a problem just have at it in an environment like that, then at then end it's over with and handshakes all around, is not a terrible thing (so long as it is properly supervised and everyone is on the same page with fight rules, etc.). Do you guys think this is something that actually works... or even more recently, could curb gun violence?

Here is an ESPN article on them.


The assertion that X could be used as an alternative to Y is far from being supported by any evidence supplied. Why didn’t you post quotes from your OP link to support your “theory”?
 
The assertion that X could be used as an alternative to Y is far from being supported by any evidence supplied. Why didn’t you post quotes from your OP link to support your “theory”?
Because it is just a theory. I would LOVE to see it studied more. I am not saying that it does curb violence, I am saying it is interesting to me. Where did I say that I supported it? I am merely putting something out there that I think is interesting, that I would love to see studies about, and to get opinions from the people here.
 
"Streetbeefs" is a YouTube channel that has unsanctioned backyard fights, boxing matches, MMA matches, as a way to settle disputes between two people instead of resorting to gun violence and other forms of dangerous street violence. They also have amateur fights with people who are not well trained if at all, but use it as a way to just let out some aggression. They have a referee, and even a registered nurse there in case of injury and to make sure fights stay one on one, and no dirty tricks (nut shots, eye gouging, etc.). I've always thought that sometimes just having two guys who have a problem just have at it in an environment like that, then at then end it's over with and handshakes all around, is not a terrible thing (so long as it is properly supervised and everyone is on the same page with fight rules, etc.). Do you guys think this is something that actually works... or even more recently, could curb gun violence?

Here is an ESPN article on them.

When I was in middle school, we had a gym teacher who used to deal with hallway fights in an interesting way.

If he caught two guys fighting in the hallway, he used to take them to the gym and put gloves on them in a boxing ring. He would set a clock for 2 minutes and tell the guys that when the clock ran out, he expected the beef to be over.

Most guys didnt have 2 minutes in them, and the number of eventual friendships that came from it was pretty staggering.

For people claiming this would promote violence, bear in mind that the desire for violence already existed or they wouldnt have been fighting in the first place. At worst it can be said that it simply provides a controlled environment to deal with the violence that was gonna happen anyway.
 
Gloves, for a start. Intent to harm for more.
They use gloves... I believe 14 ounce gloves.... At least in the ESPN article it says they do, and from videos I have watched they do not do bare knuckle fighting.

But again, even if they did, there is a rise in bare knuckle boxing lately (BKFC and BKB are the biggest organizations) complete with weight classes, sanctioned fights, and championships.

Thiago Alves was a former UFC title contender who is now a current title holder in the BKFC Middleweight division.
 
The answer to your question is complicated. Could it prevent some shooting in some case? Maybe, though it seems unlikely that someone who wants to shoot someone would be satisfied by this. I suspect that such a claim is more about the people who profit from this trying to make it sound better.

This isn't a positive, it's at best a lesser evil, and likely a greater evil (people who have violence who wouldn't have). It's profiting by catering to a ghoulish enjoyment of violence. It's degrading, even if it has qualities like 'guts' and skills. We'd have gladiators killing each other for the same reasons if we didn't outlaw it.
 
The answer to your question is complicated. Could it prevent some shooting in some case? Maybe, though it seems unlikely that someone who wants to shoot someone would be satisfied by this. I suspect that such a claim is more about the people who profit from this trying to make it sound better.

This isn't a positive, it's at best a lesser evil, and likely a greater evil (people who have violence who wouldn't have). It's profiting by catering to a ghoulish enjoyment of violence. It's degrading, even if it has qualities like 'guts' and skills. We'd have gladiators killing each other for the same reasons if we didn't outlaw it.
It's definitely something that I would like to see more studies on. There are arguments on both sides that make good points. It's something that interests me.

The "Streetbeefs" organization does not charge any ticket prices, nor do they pay the fighters, so the only profit there is from the monetization from YouTube and if they sell any merchandise online like t-shirts (I'm not sure if they do, never looked).
 
They use gloves... I believe 14 ounce gloves.... At least in the ESPN article it says they do, and from videos I have watched they do not do bare knuckle fighting.

But again, even if they did, there is a rise in bare knuckle boxing lately (BKFC and BKB are the biggest organizations) complete with weight classes, sanctioned fights, and championships.

Thiago Alves was a former UFC title contender who is now a current title holder in the BKFC Middleweight division.
Ah I'd seen one that didn't. It's a little like how nudie magazines escalated out of competition - we show breasts, we show more, we show sex! There are fewer and fewer safety measures to compete for more violence. I suspect injury is a real threat to this idea of 'champions'.
 
Ah I'd seen one that didn't. It's a little like how nudie magazines escalated out of competition - we show breasts, we show more, we show sex! There are fewer and fewer safety measures to compete for more violence. I suspect injury is a real threat to this idea of 'champions'.
That is a very good point. Streetbeefs can say they are safe, but I highly doubt they are safer than organized boxing or MMA.

That being said, they are amateurs that don't train for a living. You're not getting punched by Jon Jones, you're getting punched by Hank from down the street. Much less power in those punches, which means less of a chance of being knocked out.
 
It's definitely something that I would like to see more studies on. There are arguments on both sides that make good points. It's something that interests me.

The "Streetbeefs" organization does not charge any ticket prices, nor do they pay the fighters, so the only profit there is from the monetization from YouTube and if they sell any merchandise online like t-shirts (I'm not sure if they do, never looked).
If this was more like pro wrestling which is in a more controlled environment maybe but like my uncle said if pro wrestling were real, it’d be outlawed.
 
If this was more like pro wrestling which is in a more controlled environment maybe but like my uncle said if pro wrestling were real, it’d be outlawed.
It still boggles my mind that WWE wrestlers are considered "independent contractors".
 
Violence is an inherent instinctive action based on reproduction dominance and territory rather than anger alone. Most any oxygen powered creature on the planet uses violence as such, with only the higher intelligence using it for entertainment. Crowds of observers use actual physical fighting as a method of living vicariously through the action (and pain) of others.
 
Is it violence if the two adults are consenting? If they are consenting, how is it any different than a prize fight besides getting paid? I see your point and where you are coming from, but if they are two consenting adults, and this is the reason why they are not going out and breaking the law, is it a bad thing?

These guys I just found out even have their own championships.
I'm not talking about this specific event. Do you think the only place these guys use violence is in their club? I don't.
 
Yes.



Gloves, for a start. Intent to harm for more.

You don't think there is intent to harm in boxing?

"My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children" - Mike Tyson

“I said I beat him to an inch of his life last time. This time it may be to the death. Whether I beat him or beat him to death, it’s all a win in my situation." - Deontay Wilder
 
"Streetbeefs" is a YouTube channel that has unsanctioned backyard fights, boxing matches, MMA matches, as a way to settle disputes between two people instead of resorting to gun violence and other forms of dangerous street violence. They also have amateur fights with people who are not well trained if at all, but use it as a way to just let out some aggression. They have a referee, and even a registered nurse there in case of injury and to make sure fights stay one on one, and no dirty tricks (nut shots, eye gouging, etc.). I've always thought that sometimes just having two guys who have a problem just have at it in an environment like that, then at then end it's over with and handshakes all around, is not a terrible thing (so long as it is properly supervised and everyone is on the same page with fight rules, etc.). Do you guys think this is something that actually works... or even more recently, could curb gun violence?

Here is an ESPN article on them.




How about that? We did exactly this, as neighborhood kids, and it seemed to be a positive thing. At least, at the time.

Let me give you the perspective from one big-city neighborhood, albeit quite a few years ago:

It just so happened that several of us close neighbors in my old neighborhood, had pops who either fought in Golden Gloves or in the Service.

Every now & then as kids, when hostilities would break-out between us, our dads would make a quick make-shift backyard ring, put those over-sized puffy soft boxing gloves on us (I forgot what they're called), and let us loose in the ring to vent-out our animus. We never made it past a round or two, and it always resulted in the combatants coming together, not just shaking-hand afterwards, but actually heartfeltly embracing each-other.

There was an interesting aspect to this, though. At least for a time afterwards, the combatants would seem to form close friendships. You know when you're a group of kids, and individual kids have different degrees of closeness in their relationships with each other, and with time spent together? So you're really tight with a kid or two more than the others, but that closeness sometimes switches over the months and years as interests and time together changes? That's what I'm talking about. The combatants often became exceedingly close friends for some period afterwards.

This is old-school male-bonding / male-conflict resolution. I suspect it's politically incorrect these days. But it seemed to work for us as kids, at least then when we were younger.

I also believe this was part of the "fair fight" phenomenon & ethos, that was prevalent during that time & era. Two guys with a beef would agree to duke-it-out in a "fair" manner, where there is no kicking, biting, or any other behaviour except "Marquess of Queensberry" type rules. This includes no one getting seriously hurt. The guys would square-off, and their friends form a circle around and make sure the fight is "fair". The fight is bare-knuckle, "no gloves". It stops when a kid "gives", injury or bleeding occurs, or the fight becomes too one sided (in the eyes of the guys circled around).

Obviously this last form of neighborhood fighting could be problematic, as you've got unsupervised kids beating on each other with bare knuckles! I suspect this was exactly what our neighborhood fathers were trying to avoid!

I'll also add that Golden Gloves (& Silver Gloves!) was a really big deal in my neighborhood back then, and also in quite a few neighborhoods across the city. Golden gloves was often thought to be the preferred way to go about this type of stuff, and I might agree.

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So, what do I think of all this?

Under proper supervision (& safety), it might be a good thing. If it keeps the kids and young adults from settling their beefs in the street, I'm all for it.

But, I'm old school. My preference in this type of concept would be Marquess of Queensberry type traditional boxing. And also, I'm big on Golden Gloves.
 
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When I was in middle school, we had a gym teacher who used to deal with hallway fights in an interesting way.

If he caught two guys fighting in the hallway, he used to take them to the gym and put gloves on them in a boxing ring. He would set a clock for 2 minutes and tell the guys that when the clock ran out, he expected the beef to be over.

Most guys didnt have 2 minutes in them, and the number of eventual friendships that came from it was pretty staggering.

For people claiming this would promote violence, bear in mind that the desire for violence already existed or they wouldnt have been fighting in the first place. At worst it can be said that it simply provides a controlled environment to deal with the violence that was gonna happen anyway.

Your coach and would have fit in my old neighborhood, without a doubt. Check-out how we handled it in Post #19, above.

And you are 100% right. We noticed the combatants forming post-fight close friendships and mutual respect.

That, in effect, was the whole idea! Diffuse animus, foster respect, and find a larger sense of bonding & commonality.
 
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