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Does The Bible Support Slavery?

Sure do, for the same reason he wrote to the Romans, the Corinthians, the Galatians, and the Ephesians...they had all become reconciled to God through His Son Jesus Christ...they were all now Christian congregations...no longer enemies of God...

 
"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, and Timothy our brother, to the holy ones and faithful brothers in union with Christ at Colossae: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father." Colossians 1:1,2
 
You have not proven in the positive that slavery was necessary. I know you badly dont want to admit you arent really thinking this through but at the end of the day thats on you. (Also societies like nazi germany had slaves in the machine age so……)
Then it is just a case of you do not understand how economics work. Simply enough if they had to pay all the workers needed to make enough bread to feed a city then the price of bread would be so high only the wealthy could afford it.

Of course slavery still exists today. There will always be nasty people who will take any advantages they can. The difference between slavery today and back then is that now it is illegal because it is an unneccessay evil. Back then, it was a necessary evil.
 
Also its not a point of economics its actually a serious form of economic illiteracy. You cant afford armies to capture slaves if you are too poor to even eat.

This is really the worst economic argument ive ever heard of and i graduated in economics.
Where do you get these ideas. From watching bad movies.

Slavery already existed long before the fiorst civilisation appeared. Do you think some nomadic tribe had a huge4 army?

Where as yours appears to be the worst fantasy of history I have come across.
 
Yes it was. You tell me an easier way, then. Yes, forcing people into slavery was easier than paying people to voluntarily do it. It's absurd that you would even imply otherwise, the most obvious reason for which is that, if this were not true, there would not have been slaves.

Slavery was the easiest way. And expected, from primitive, terrified, superstitious people living without the benefit of modern thought and ethics.
If salvery was so easy then why the need for overseers to whip slaves into work. Why the need for an underground railroad to free slaves.

Where as all you need for paid labour is money.
 
Sure do, for the same reason he wrote to the Romans, the Corinthians, the Galatians, and the Ephesians...they had all become reconciled to God through His Son Jesus Christ...they were all now Christian congregations...no longer enemies of God...
Context means nothing to you. Are you allowed to study?
 
Context means nothing to you. Are you allowed to study?
lol...we are encouraged to study...I know what you are attempting to get at but it's not true...Paul knew that increasing the Christian congregation's knowledge in Colossae of Christ’s role, they would be motivated to reject false teachings, deceptive philosophies going around, old Jewish traditions, as well as the worship of angels and that is just what Paul did with his letter to them...the situation was not critical and there was also much to commend them for, which Paul also did...
 
Context means nothing to you. Are you allowed to study?
Jehovah Witnesses aren't allowed to study anything which the Governing Board members deem to be anti-Jehovah Witness literature, nor are JWs allowed to watch anything that the Board has deemed to be anti-JW Organization/religious dogma. As a side note. JW founder Charles Taze Russell was an illiterate on the Greek language/alphabet, lied about it in a court of law, and was busted by the Court when queried to actually prove he was knowledgeable about Greek language/alphabet.
 
Jehovah Witnesses aren't allowed to study anything which the Governing Board members deem to be anti-Jehovah Witness literature, nor are JWs allowed to watch anything that the Board has deemed to be anti-JW Organization/religious dogma. As a side note.
My own threads/posts here prove that is a lie...just one of your many...
 
that is a lie...just one of your many...
lol...if I attacked anyone, and I didn't BTW, it was you and only you my remarks were directed to.
Oh really? If 'your' remarks were actually "directed" to 'me and only me' (singular) ---Then tell us who the "them" (plural) is you are referring to in 'your' post below. No need to attempt to lie. (again) All anyone needs to do to discern the truth is to click on the link with your name in blue above your post below, and see for themselves whom you are referencing, and it certainly isn't 'me.' --- I gave you fair warning if you continued to lie, I would expose that lie with the 'truth'. Below is the 'truth' which exposes the lie you put forth.

Elora said:
Sounds like something rubbed off on them...
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Oh really? If 'your' remarks were actually "directed" to 'me and only me' (singular) ---Then tell us who the "them" (plural) is you are referring to in 'your' post below. No need to attempt to lie. (again) All anyone needs to do to discern the truth is to click on the link with your name in blue above your post below, and see for themselves whom you are referencing, and it certainly isn't 'me.' --- I gave you fair warning if you continued to lie, I would expose that lie with the 'truth'. Below is the 'truth' which exposes the lie you put forth.

Elora said:
Sounds like something rubbed off on them...
Ginger Ale said:
True, I was there.
 
No in fact there are different laws regarding Hebrew and heathen slaves. JW don't really like to bring that one up.

What JWs like to do is read a man-made "Bible" that had been written over a short period of time less than 100 years ago instead of God's Word, which is proven to be the Truth because many men all over the Eastern Hemisphere who never knew each other wrote the same messages over hundreds of years. Elora's Bible is obviously fake and does not teach we have one triune God. If people want to learn the Truth, they need to read my Bible, not hers.
 
Oh really? If 'your' remarks were actually "directed" to 'me and only me' (singular) ---Then tell us who the "them" (plural) is you are referring to in 'your' post below. No need to attempt to lie. (again) All anyone needs to do to discern the truth is to click on the link with your name in blue above your post below, and see for themselves whom you are referencing, and it certainly isn't 'me.' --- I gave you fair warning if you continued to lie, I would expose that lie with the 'truth'. Below is the 'truth' which exposes the lie you put forth.

Elora said:
Sounds like something rubbed off on them...
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Ginger Ale said:
True, I was there.
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Gluttony​


Proverbs 23:20-21 ESV​

Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.



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Truth, they need to read my Bible, not hers.
Oh, you mean the one that leaves out God's name that was in the original texts and replaces it with the words LORD or God? The one that leaves out the original words sheol, hades, and Gehenna by replacing them with the word hell? The one that leaves out the original word stauros and replaces it with the word cross? Sure sounds like yours is the fake one...
 
Oh, you mean the one that leaves out God's name that was in the original texts and replaces it with the words LORD or God? The one that leaves out the original words sheol, hades, and Gehenna by replacing them with the word hell? The one that leaves out the original word stauros and replaces it with the word cross? Sure sounds like yours is the fake one...

Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible?​

The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower’s bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.

The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.

It is only the Watchtower’s pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.
 

Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible?​

The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower’s bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.

The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.

It is only the Watchtower’s pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.
Ah, so you're a trinitarian...got it...
 
Wrong again @Elora. I'm a "non-theist." Smart people know, by definition, a "non-theist" is 'NOT' a "trinitarian." "PAY ATTENTION!" and try to FAIL less.
So, why are you supporting the bias of a trinitarian?
 
So, why are you supporting the bias of a trinitarian?

I love your sig, Elora.

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That's literally just another way of saying that the bible says whatever you want it to say.

Which is great. It's something for everyone.
 
Jehovah Witnesses aren't allowed to study anything which the Governing Board members deem to be anti-Jehovah Witness literature, nor are JWs allowed to watch anything that the Board has deemed to be anti-JW Organization/religious dogma. As a side note. JW founder Charles Taze Russell was an illiterate on the Greek language/alphabet, lied about it in a court of law, and was busted by the Court when queried to actually prove he was knowledgeable about Greek language/alphabet.

Worse than I thought. Miller was a false prophet and datesetter.
 
Where do you get these ideas. From watching bad movies.

Slavery already existed long before the fiorst civilisation appeared. Do you think some nomadic tribe had a huge4 army?

Where as yours appears to be the worst fantasy of history I have come across.
Desert people as in Bedouin had very few slaves. They couldn't feed them and they had no large agricultural projects.
 
Where do you get these ideas. From watching bad movies.

Slavery already existed long before the fiorst civilisation appeared. Do you think some nomadic tribe had a huge4 army?

Where as yours appears to be the worst fantasy of history I have come across.

Now look who is shifting the goalposts. You specifically said it is required for civilization to exist. I said nothing about huge armies. That is another strawman. I get it, you dont want to admit you are wrong.

I specifically said conquering people no matter what scale requires already existing resources that one could not afford if they were desperate and starving like you claim would happen if societies didnt enslave people. You continue to be rather hellbent on reinforcing your own bias.
 
Then it is just a case of you do not understand how economics work. Simply enough if they had to pay all the workers needed to make enough bread to feed a city then the price of bread would be so high only the wealthy could afford it.

Of course slavery still exists today. There will always be nasty people who will take any advantages they can. The difference between slavery today and back then is that now it is illegal because it is an unneccessay evil. Back then, it was a necessary evil.

Your degree in economics plox?
 
Cool. You should study Buddhism way more. Far superior religion. At least two tiers of sophistication above your current hobby. Check it out, dude.
Sylviane Nuccio
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10 Reasons Why Jehovah’s Witnesses Are Unhappy​

If you were to tell a Jehovah’s Witness that he or she is in a cult, they would say, no the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not a cult.

As a matter of fact, that’s the number one problem with cult members, they are the last ones to know that they are in a cult, while it easily noticeable by anyone else.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are no different.

Only when an individual “wakes up” as we call it, meaning when they come out of their indoctrination, can they clearly see that they were, indeed, in a cult.

Even though I left this organization years before I started becoming aware of the real truth about this so-called religion that calls itself “the Truth” did I realize that I had been the victim of a cult.
One thing that is prevalent in cults and which affect Jehovah’s Witnesses just as much as any other, it’s that people are not as happy as they pretend to be.

The common image that we have of Jehovah’s Witnesses is that of well-dressed smiley people that knock on your doors on weekends. But behind this public façade there exist much unhappiness and depression.

As a matter of fact, for having spoken to countless ex and waking up Jehovah’s Witnesses, I heard many more sad stories than happy ones. Most people I communicated with have admitted having been very sad, unhappy and even depressed when they were in that religion. And the reason I believe them, it’s that it was my own case as well.

There a plenty of reasons that make Jehovah’s Witnesses unhappy, but here are 10 very good ones.

1) Denial of Self

One thing you learn early on when you are born from Jehovah’s Witnesses parents and even when you join the religion as an adult is that the self doesn’t exist. You have to deny yourself as a Jehovah’s Witness.

And no, it’s not just about being humble. It goes above and beyond that. As a Jehovah’s Witness, all those little things that could make the person feel good, valuable and important are taken away one by one.

For example, the Watchtower likes to say that celebrating your birthday is to put yourself forward as if it were almost narcissistic to celebrate the day of your birth.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses culture goes so far as to teach that even celebrating Mother’s Day is to put your mother on some type of pedestal, while the only one that needs to be put on such pedestal is Jehovah.

In fact, subtly or not so subtly, self-denial is constantly hammered into the Jehovah’ Witness’s head through public discourses, publications, and videos.

Psychologically, self-denial is not healthy. According to researchers Morris Rosenberg and Timothy J. Owens, people with low self-esteem tend to be hypersensitive. They have a fragile sense of self that can easily be wounded by others.

A person who has a strong denial of self will have a hard time accomplishing anything of consequence in life.

In the end, because the denial of self is unnatural, the person who is taught to deny himself or herself will feel diminished, non-existent, and depressed. Problems that are widespread among Jehovah’s Witnesses.

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