The Dems have already compromised on the budget, with spending down to near Ryan budget levels, it's the republicans idiocy and unwillingness to compromise that caused this shutdown.
Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.
The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.
Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.
The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.
Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
I'm not even sure what Democrats are even arguing for at this point. It looks like they just recognize that they have a very complicit media and have decided to shut down the government because that complicit media will just blame Republicans.
Readout of the President’s Call to House Speaker John Boehner
Late this morning, the President telephoned Speaker John Boehner from the Oval Office and repeated what he told him when they met at the White House last week: the President is willing to negotiate with Republicans -- after the threat of government shutdown and default have been removed – over policies that Republicans think would strengthen the country. The President also repeated his willingness to negotiate on priorities that he has identified including policies that expand economic opportunity, support private sector job creation, enhance the competitiveness of American businesses, strengthen the Affordable Care Act and continue to reduce the nation’s deficit.
The President urged the Speaker to hold a vote in the House of Representatives on the Senate-passed measure that would re-open the federal government immediately. Citing the Senate’s intention to pass a clean, yearlong extension of the debt limit this week, the President also pressed the Speaker to allow a timely up-or-down vote in the House to raise the debt limit with no ideological strings attached. He noted that only Congress has the authority to raise the debt limit and failure to do so would have grave consequences for middle class families and the American economy as a whole.
Readout of the President
Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.
The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.
Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
Yeah Obama criticized the Republicans before the shutdown by saying (paraphrasing) "They are gonna shutdown the government just because they don't get everything they want on this one issue?" The problem Mr. Obama, is that is the EXACT thing you did!
Except it's not because Obama is not the one that funds the government!
And who do you think is calling the shots for Senate Democrats? :doh
I believe a "clean CR" with ZERO extraneous laws attached as policy riders and poison pills, the Repub House version of a filibuster.
Then we can have a "conversation".
That's not my point.
What concessions are the democrats asking for? None, it is purely one sided bargaining from the Republicans. You cannot call for a compromise when there is only one side trying to gain anything from this situation. A real compromise would be if the spending bill without the republicans demands went through and was passed. This won't happen though because Boehner and some congressional republicans wont put it up for a vote.
What republicans are asking for is not a compromise right now, it is a concession for absolutely nothing in return. It is overwhelmingly the Republicans fault this shutdown is still occurring right now.
:lamoThis is Obama's idea of negotiation:
That's straight from the horse's mouth. Give me everything I want and I triple dog promise I'll negotiate with you. But look at what he promises to negotiate. Like promising to negotiate ways to strengthen the Affordable Care Act. Yeah, right, the opposite of what we want.
Screw this president and screw the dem senate, house members hold the line!
Republicans offered to vote for all government operations except Obamacare, exercising the perogatives of Congress in the Constitution. In response, the Democrats in the Senate on Obama's urging shut down the entire government. The media reports it that Republicans shut down the entire government by not giving Obama what he wants.
The same is arising on the debt ceiling. Unless Republicans do everything and anything Obama wants, Senate Democrats will default the government. The media reports this as Republicans' fault because it is presented as a truism that refusing any amount of money Obama wants is per se shutting down the entire government.
Do you agree that refusing to give Obama any and all money he wants constitutes shutting down government entirely?
Yeah Obama criticized the Republicans before the shutdown by saying (paraphrasing) "They are gonna shutdown the government just because they don't get everything they want on this one issue?" The problem Mr. Obama, is that is the EXACT thing you did!
The difference is 'his issue' is law, it's law with funding already allocated. That's why we head a vote on this in 2010, why we fought a brutal Midterm and Presidential election campaign largely on this topic, why we took this to the Supreme Court, and why we spent so much time and energy mobilizing support to repeal it. Every single attempt has been checked. The result? That this is law and it is legitimately so. The gall to claim that at this final juncture the President is the one being stubborn is audibly ludicrous.
I wouldn't say legitimately. You forget the Supreme Court edited the law to be a tax rather than a fine to make it legal. And the President IS being stubborn.
Regardless of whether or not you agree with the Supreme Court decision (I don't agree with their justification either) the fact remains that it was legitimately conducted. It is valid legislation and it has already received its budget. This is desperate chicanery and its loathsome. As a conservative who values prudence, stability, and pragmatism I would never want to establish the precedent of holding our government and credit hostage each time we decide that there is something onerous a party wants to tear into. That is a recipe for recurring disaster.
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