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Does Anyone Think the ACLU is nuts?

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http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/03/14/aclu-protects-funeral-protesters/

There's no winning with these people. They have fought to have Christmas removed from public buildings, then turn around and say these bozos are within their rights.

The group I belong to, Patriot Guard Riders, was formed to guard grieving families from these sicko protestors. We do so only at the invitation of the families and only stand guard; if necessary blocking the protestors from the view of the mourners and drowning them out, if possible.
The growth of the PGR has been so positive that even without protestors threatening to show up, the PGR gets invited to stand in honor.
There is no excuse for disrespect to our servicemen, to their grieving families and to the grieving public, for their sickening disruptions, rights or no rights. That soldier deserves EVERY respect and not to have HIS rights and service to his country trampled on. I understand that basic constitutional rights should not be violated, however.... and the states are careful NOT to violate those rights in letter of the law, they are placing restrictions to preserve the dignity of those fallen.


Just once, the ACLU should just STFU.
 
ngdawg said:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/03/14/aclu-protects-funeral-protesters/

There's no winning with these people. They have fought to have Christmas removed from public buildings, then turn around and say these bozos are within their rights.

The group I belong to, Patriot Guard Riders, was formed to guard grieving families from these sicko protestors. We do so only at the invitation of the families and only stand guard; if necessary blocking the protestors from the view of the mourners and drowning them out, if possible.
The growth of the PGR has been so positive that even without protestors threatening to show up, the PGR gets invited to stand in honor.
There is no excuse for disrespect to our servicemen, to their grieving families and to the grieving public, for their sickening disruptions, rights or no rights. That soldier deserves EVERY respect and not to have HIS rights and service to his country trampled on. I understand that basic constitutional rights should not be violated, however.... and the states are careful NOT to violate those rights in letter of the law, they are placing restrictions to preserve the dignity of those fallen.


Just once, the ACLU should just STFU.
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I agree. I beleive that there a lot of real cases of censorship of people in a lot of institutions, there's no need for them to waste their time on these wackjobs. Can't they be punished controlled due to harassment? People can get in trouble for walking around in their own home nude if a neighbor peaks, but these people can directly harass these individuals and it's "freedom"? I wonder what the ACLU thinks about the mourning people's freedom to not be persecuted and harassed?
 
I don't know how you could legally curb their freedom of speech without getting a restraining order, but I think I'd seriously contemplate punching her in the face.
 
It's the ACLU for gods sake. You can't expect much from them. With roots based in communism they **** on anything American. I think it's just a past time for them to tell you the truth. They should get these guys, the pedophiles they protect and the terrorist they love so much, all in a room with a few frag grenades
 
There's no winning with these people. They have fought to have Christmas removed from public buildings, then turn around and say these bozos are within their rights.
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"public" buildings. That was probably a church/state issue.

Like you, I disagree with the ACLU in this case. I don't believe that what these Fred Phelp's nuts are doing is protected speech.

The group I belong to, Patriot Guard Riders, was formed to guard grieving families from these sicko protestors.
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Let me just say that I appreciate what you guys are doing. :clap:

It's the ACLU for gods sake. You can't expect much from them. With roots based in communism they **** on anything American. I think it's just a past time for them to tell you the truth. They should get these guys, the pedophiles they protect and the terrorist they love so much, all in a room with a few frag grenades
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Yea. And worst of all, they had the nerve to defend Rush Limbaugh.
 
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"public" buildings. That was probably a church/state issue.

Like you, I disagree with the ACLU in this case. I don't believe that what these Fred Phelp's nuts are doing is protected speech.



Let me just say that I appreciate what you guys are doing. :clap:



Yea. And worst of all, they had the nerve to defend Rush Limbaugh.
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Sounds like a good enough reason to set them all on fire and roas marshmallows :2razz:
 
I saw on the O'reilly Factor one night that the ACLU is standing up for the "rights" of Illegal Immigrants.... WTF? It's the AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union, not the MEXICAN Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU is just so f-ing retarded. Too bad all their members wouldn't just become blind/deaf/mutes all in one instant. That would make me look like this --> :mrgreen:
 
I don't think that the ACLU is nuts. They are not the American Popular Speech Advocates or the American Unpopular Speech Abolishonists. They are saying that they have a right to assemble and protest. Which they do.

I think these freaks are way out of line for protesting funerals. The families deserve respect and privacy during a funeral. I would think, due to the circumstance of being a funeral, that they could get a restraining order citing harassment as the cause. It is one thing to picket a corporation, business, or government building. It is another to picket a private family during an emotional time. If they are allowed to continue to picket funerals, it will be like lighting the fuse on a powder keg. I know what I would do if someone protested at a friend or family member of mine's funeral. I am sure the bail money and legal fees would be donated from everyone else.:cool:

Even the most "wicked" sinners in our past(gangs and mafioso) have had an unwritten code of letting people bury their dear departed in peace. For me, that really puts things in perspective.

Yes, The ACLU can fight for the free speech, I just don't think this "speech" is anything but to incite violence. "God hates fags" is hardly anything that has to do with these poor families in their time of grief.

These protesting idiots might as well protest Bally's Gym for the high price of gas. They definitely won't accomplish anything but contempt from everyone.
 
ngdawg said:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/03/14/aclu-protects-funeral-protesters/

There's no winning with these people. They have fought to have Christmas removed from public buildings, then turn around and say these bozos are within their rights.

The group I belong to, Patriot Guard Riders, was formed to guard grieving families from these sicko protestors. We do so only at the invitation of the families and only stand guard; if necessary blocking the protestors from the view of the mourners and drowning them out, if possible.
The growth of the PGR has been so positive that even without protestors threatening to show up, the PGR gets invited to stand in honor.
There is no excuse for disrespect to our servicemen, to their grieving families and to the grieving public, for their sickening disruptions, rights or no rights. That soldier deserves EVERY respect and not to have HIS rights and service to his country trampled on. I understand that basic constitutional rights should not be violated, however.... and the states are careful NOT to violate those rights in letter of the law, they are placing restrictions to preserve the dignity of those fallen.


Just once, the ACLU should just STFU.
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Ng, I totally agree with you that this so-called religious group is beyond vile and I admire the PGR for what they are doing to protect the families from these pieces of ****.

But I do have to disagree with you on your position regarding the ACLU. Every defense they make on behalf of freedom of speech will be unpopular as there is no requirement to defend "popular" speech. I believe that when they defend the batshit crazies (like Limbaugh ;) ) right to free speech, they are protecting us all.
 
My List (Borrowed from Ivan The Terrible’s Idea)

My Arch Enemy
Ruth Bader Ginsberg

My Enemies
The ACLU
Radical Liberalism
Neo-Conservatives
Trial Lawyers
Insurance Companies
Pharmaceutical Companies
Inept Government
Mandatory Child Vaccination
Socialism/Communism


My Allies
Intelligent Independent Thinkers

My Great Ally and Hope
AMERICA and the CONSTITUTION

My Greatest Allies
My Family
My Daughters
My Parents

My Greatest Ally and love
My Wife
 
That was an interesting contribution to this topic.
 
I realize that the ACLU's primary objective is protecting rights as written in the Constitution.
I also realize that the states that have passed these laws to protect the families of fallen soldiers made sure not to infringe on the freedom of speech aspect, just put space and in some instances, time contingencies.
What the ACLU is fond of doing to the point of overkill, is literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration. Maybe that's how it should be, I don't know, but they avoid the humanity factor completely, every time and sometimes in doing so, they contradict themselves.
 
ngdawg said:
I realize that the ACLU's primary objective is protecting rights as written in the Constitution.
I also realize that the states that have passed these laws to protect the families of fallen soldiers made sure not to infringe on the freedom of speech aspect, just put space and in some instances, time contingencies.
What the ACLU is fond of doing to the point of overkill, is literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration. Maybe that's how it should be, I don't know, but they avoid the humanity factor completely, every time and sometimes in doing so, they contradict themselves.
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I wouldnt say its overkill. Its just in poor taste sometimes. For example, they defend the rights of criminals, terrorists, and child sex offenders. While these people do have rights that should be fought for, I wouldnt be the one signing up to defend them.

They interpret the amendments to the letter because they think any concessions on civil liberties to be a slippery slope. I dont disagree with them. The ACLU has done alot of good for this country in regards to civil rights.
 
ngdawg said:
What the ACLU is fond of doing to the point of overkill, is literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration.
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So in a way, they're actually a very conservative organization.
 
Pen

That was an interesting contribution to this topic.
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Yes. It was exactly on topic and it was interesting. Thanks. ;)

Columbusite

So in a way, they're actually a very Conservative organization.
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I am not sure how overkill relates to being a conservative.
Perhaps you could explain further, for it seems that one could just as easily make an arguement that a...

literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration
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...is simply selfish. Selfish and agenda driven. This is a trait held by more Liberals that I know than Conservatives. I cam curious though, why you made the initial statement for I must surely be missing something.

ngdawg

I agree with much of what you say.
 
I beleive Columbusite meant conservative in the since of adhering to definitions, the fear/reluctance to change them. sort of like the Gay marriage issue; not wanting to redefine something. Perhaps that's what he meant? That's all I can infer.
 
ngdawg said:
...is literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration... but they avoid the humanity factor completely...
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The ACLU, as much as I dislike them, is doing EXACTLY what they should in regard to the above quote, as distasteful as it is in some instances. The saying that this country is a nation of laws, not of men, is what this example is all about.

Once you start allowing people to be silenced for one thing, how do you stop it from happening for another reason...perhaps a reason that you would be on the other side of.

What would then stop a law forbidding you libs from being allowed to scream about Bush being a warmonger, liar, etc? What would stop a law forbidding reps from calling John Kerry a traitor or Jessee Jackson a race pimp?

YOU might not think THOSE are bad enough to require such a restriction...but some people do...that's why we are a nation of laws, not of men.

BubbaBob
 
Originally Posted by ngdawg
...is literal letter by letter translation of each amendment without taking anything else into consideration... but they avoid the humanity factor completely...
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Originally Posted by ngdawg
"The ACLU, as much as I dislike them, is doing EXACTLY what they should in regard to the above quote, as distasteful as it is in some instances."
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Many are doing just that. Letter by letter.
The difference is that the ACLU does not stop at letter by letter TRANSLATION... no, they tell us that the TRANSLATION means what THEY say it means... and that often means something very different than I believe the Founders meant.

They abuse personal freedoms to such an extent that the freedoms lose their meaning.

I fear that the Liberals have such a foundation in the universities and courts that ACLU and like organizations will erode our nation into a den of disgust and debauchery.
 
Originally posted by BodiSatva
They abuse personal freedoms to such an extent that the freedoms lose their meaning.
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How is defending personal freedoms, abusing personal freedoms?
 
Defending is NOT abusing. This is obvious,

Stop being an idiot please...thanks.

I do not think that they are "defending".
I obviously think that they are abusing the CONSTITUTION and abusing our RIGHTS as citizens…

The ACLU has an agenda that DOES NOT coincide with the best interest of the citizens of this nation.

Explain how all of the things that they and BADER have done are ONLY good for this nation…Thanks.
 
Just as a matter of correction, a quote attributed to me, Bodi, wasn't mine.

At any rate....
The problem with the ACLU, as I see it, is that they really don't care about individual state interpretations as it would pertain to impact on that state's denizens,ie; this particular case, involving a small band of lunatics, the Westboro Baptist Church, is about their 'right to free speech', but no state so far has banned it-they have put reasonable restrictions, yes, ie; distance from the funerals, and time constraints. Stopped it, no.
They appear to be choosy as well, then fall back on literal translation of the Constitution as their reasons.
Now, have they gone after South Dakota's outright banning of abortion? No.
They have gone after that judge down south that dared to have the ten commandments in the rotundra, yet in every court, one swears 'to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help me, God'. There's a WTF right there.
 
BodiSatva said:
Defending is NOT abusing. This is obvious,

Stop being an idiot please...thanks.

I do not think that they are "defending".
I obviously think that they are abusing the CONSTITUTION and abusing our RIGHTS as citizens…

The ACLU has an agenda that DOES NOT coincide with the best interest of the citizens of this nation.

Explain how all of the things that they and BADER have done are ONLY good for this nation…Thanks.
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I tend to agree actually.

People can get a way with a hell of a lot in politics; all they simply have to do is pin the right words on it to justify it. If you're on concerned with following historical documents in politics, you'll note they're pretty cut and dry.
 
ngdawg said:
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/03/14/aclu-protects-funeral-protesters/

There's no winning with these people. They have fought to have Christmas removed from public buildings, then turn around and say these bozos are within their rights.

The group I belong to, Patriot Guard Riders, was formed to guard grieving families from these sicko protestors. We do so only at the invitation of the families and only stand guard; if necessary blocking the protestors from the view of the mourners and drowning them out, if possible.
The growth of the PGR has been so positive that even without protestors threatening to show up, the PGR gets invited to stand in honor.
There is no excuse for disrespect to our servicemen, to their grieving families and to the grieving public, for their sickening disruptions, rights or no rights. That soldier deserves EVERY respect and not to have HIS rights and service to his country trampled on. I understand that basic constitutional rights should not be violated, however.... and the states are careful NOT to violate those rights in letter of the law, they are placing restrictions to preserve the dignity of those fallen.


Just once, the ACLU should just STFU.
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The ACLU is nuts.They defend pedophilers,nazis and are concerned about non-citizens.
 
BodiSatva,

My List (Borrowed from Ivan The Terrible’s Idea)

My Arch Enemy
Ruth Bader Ginsberg

My Enemies
The ACLU
Radical Liberalism
Neo-Conservatives
Trial Lawyers
Insurance Companies
Pharmaceutical Companies
Inept Government
Mandatory Child Vaccination
Socialism/Communism


My Allies
Intelligent Independent Thinkers

My Great Ally and Hope
AMERICA and the CONSTITUTION

My Greatest Allies
My Family
My Daughters
My Parents

My Greatest Ally and love
My Wife
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Well done! The War Clique is well on it's way to putting a Jihad on the ACLU.
 
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