C.S. Lewis is the example I always go with here, of a man who believed in the reality of both. frankly i think the scientific account reinforces the biblical one rather than detracting from it.
I think this country was founded for many reasons and freedom of religion was a biggee. That means any religion that blows your skirt up.
I think this country was founded for many reasons and freedom of religion was a biggee. That means any religion that blows your skirt up.
I don't agree, unless a lot in there is taken figuratively or presumed to have been translated wrong, then science clashes with the Bible. Now, there are certainly plenty of Christian denominations that do believe that not everything in the Bible is accurate or literal, many in fact, but then I have to ask how they know which parts are real and which aren't? What part of the Bible (or is it other papers/writings related to the Bible) specifically tells a person that those parts that obviously clash with science are figurative, while everything else is to be held true?
I don't understand the obsession so many have with proving the bible true, or untrue. Take the good parts, apply them to your daily life, ignore the bad parts.
Yes, there are bad parts....and the fact that we can ignore those parts means that christian beliefs have evolved, even if the christians have not...
I agree. The only problem I have is when some of those parts of the Bible are used to condemn others for harmless behavior that is viewed as sinful. Other than those types things (which definitely, thankfully change with time), I consider the Bible and Christianity to be pretty positive things for people and society, just like most religions, in general. Of course there are fanatics who contort information, but those are small sects of people in any major religion.
I hear all the time that "this is a Christian Nation". Do you think this is so.
I am going to go ahead and say anyone who truly thinks this country was meant to be a Christian nation is a complete moron. The founding fathers were secularist, there is some evidence indicating Thomas Jefferson was at least agnostic.
" The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes; fools and hypocrites. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -Thomas Jefferson
The major religious philosophy of most of the Founding Fathers was "deism," which is one degree towards theism than agnosticism is.
I think it's why fundamentalists worry so damn much about Islam. They know they have done the same thing (not all that long ago), and would do it again. Projection can be an ugly thing.
Yes, the U.S. was founded as a Christian country, proofs:
:2rofll: that's hilarious to imagine.The leaders were Christian, does that also make America a white, male, middle aged, stocking and wig wearing country?
Yes, the U.S. was founded as a Christian country, proofs:
I am going to go ahead and say anyone who truly thinks this country was meant to be a Christian nation is a complete moron. The founding fathers were secularist, there is some evidence indicating Thomas Jefferson was at least agnostic.
an interesting claim. the only self-proclaimed Deist i'm aware of among the Founding Fathers was Benjamin Franklin. Jefferson probably was as well intellectually, but he worshipped at Christian services, and certainly had no problem with public expressions of faith in the Divine.
perhaps you could cite for us the numbers of this "majority" of Founding Fathers who were deists?
as for this notion:
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
-John Adams
Wow you found a quote, I can do that too.
Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians a website full of them with information and sources. Long and short, I don't want to know the religion of someone running for public office and religion has no place in politics, this was the view of the founders, this is the view of people who think freely.
I don't agree, unless a lot in there is taken figuratively or presumed to have been translated wrong, then science clashes with the Bible. Now, there are certainly plenty of Christian denominations that do believe that not everything in the Bible is accurate or literal, many in fact, but then I have to ask how they know which parts are real and which aren't? What part of the Bible (or is it other papers/writings related to the Bible) specifically tells a person that those parts that obviously clash with science are figurative, while everything else is to be held true?
:lol: all your site does is reinforce what i have already written here; the Founding Fathers were generally Christian themselves, but of multiple sects, and some were Deists. the states themselves were generally beholden to various sects, and several actually had state churches or professions of Faith written into their Constitutions. the Founding Fathers had a nonaggression pact at the National Level; and States were free to choose as they preferred. they also generally assumed that the character of the nation would continue to be a Christian one, and assumed that this would form the basis for the protection of the hard-won freedoms of the American citizenry.
your site seems mainly to argue that since they had a non-agression pact at the national level, that they obviously couldnt' have been Christian.
i find it too difficult to construct a reply as ludicrous as that which you have offered, and so i give up the attempt.
I would say its founded upon Christian beliefs. But not the religion.
The US was founded on Judeo-Christian values and morals. However, we are NOT a Christian nation. There is a difference.
admittedly copying and pasting from an earlier post:
it is worth noting that there are some simply amazing parts of the Bible that seem downright eerie given the current modern scientific understanding of the universe. most creation myths involve anthromorphic solar bodies (the sun and the moon hook up and have a baby earth), or something similarly creative - as i recall the Sumerians thought we were living on the body of a dead god. peruse the creation myths of various cultures if you like, you'll find either similar items or variations of steady state assumptions. the creation account in Genesis is unique in that it parallels the scientific account. Science teaches us that first there was not simply 'nothing' but 'no-thing'; not even the possibility of a thing because there was no time nor space for it to be in; and then there was a massive explosion of energy-light. that then the energy solidified and became stars, that the earth was formed, that it was covered in water for some time, that the landmasses formed, that photosynthentic life formed, followed by animal life, followed by the development of eyesight, followed by an explosion in the number and diversity in water-based life forms (cambrian, as i recall), followed by the development of land animals, followed by the development of man, who lived in a natural state for a period of time before developing what we call civilization. Genesis tells us that first there was nothing. then there was an explosion of light followed by the development of the stars and earth, which was covered in water for a time, developed land masses, saw the introduction of photosynthetic life, followed by the development of animal life, followed by the development of the ability to discern night from day (gee, sounds like developing eyesight), followed by the explosion of water-based lifeforms some of which (the bible tells us and science confirms) were huge, followed by the development of land animals, followed by the development of man, who lived in a natural state for a while before developing civilization.
and i'm expected to believe that the author of Genesis got lucky?
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