Do you think it's ok for gays to adopt?

[jamesrage]

What happens after they get out of prison?
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They go back to having sex with women.

 

[jamesrage]

All is a big number.

Are you saying you could change your mind?

If I was one of those scumbags behind bars and have not seen a women in twenty years I might resort to what they resort to.

Here you might this amusing.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/77937

 

[mixedmedia]

***Wrong again, mixed-meds. While I have no doubt that a queer couple could rasie children together--the concern here should be in the child's ability to grow up 'normaly' as that of a 'heteresexual'. I've always believed that it is the 'environment' that determines the sexual preference of the child. So if two lesbos raise a boy by letting him play with dolls, letting him put makeup on, and by donning him with frilly teddies during adolescent--chances are he'll try to put the make on the boys that just got done kicking sand in his face.

So then all they have to do is raise him in flannels and flat-tops....then all's well. Next?

 

[steen]

Well, if they both need to work to make ends meet, I can understand that. I think I've already said that. But STILL...people should think more before they have children and think to themselves, "Can I really afford more kids? Do I have the time to devote to them?"

Ah, so perhaps they should have had an abortion instead?

 

[steen]

Dude, Kelzie, come on. You pity my future wife? No, don't give me that. You don't know anything about how I treat women or my personal life, so don't even go there.

You profess to wanting her in the domestic sphere, basically saying that she needs to not worry her pretty little head with real life and can fill her day with whatever meaningless "hobbies" she can dream, up. That comes across very clearly in your post, that flagrant sexism.

 

[talloulou]

I've always believed that it is the 'environment' that determines the sexual preference of the child. So if two lesbos raise a boy by letting him play with dolls, letting him put makeup on, and by donning him with frilly teddies during adolescent--chances are he'll try to put the make on the boys that just got done kicking sand in his face.

Ignorance! If it's environmental then how come gay and lesbian children come simultaneously from a family that produces heterosexual children?? They are all being raised in the same environment.

Plus what about the studies that have shown that the hypothalamus may be involved and homosexuality is a biological factor that occurs in the womb?

Or are you one of those people who ignore all the recent studies in favor of that thrice divorced founder of Narth who couldn't cure his own son's gayness so he blamed it on his wife! Meanwhile he didn't do so well in relations with women either. Perhaps his three marriages didn't work out cause he himself is a closeted gay in denial.....or perhaps he is just so insanely stupid no woman in her right mind could tolerate him for any length of time.

 

[Navy Pride]

Ignorance! If it's environmental then how come gay and lesbian children come simultaneously from a family that produces heterosexual children?? They are all being raised in the same environment.

Plus what about the studies that have shown that the hypothalamus may be involved and homosexuality is a biological factor that occurs in the womb?

Or are you one of those people who ignore all the recent studies in favor of that thrice divorced founder of Narth who couldn't cure his own son's gayness so he blamed it on his wife! Meanwhile he didn't do so well in relations with women either. Perhaps his three marriages didn't work out cause he himself is a closeted gay in denial.....or perhaps he is just so insanely stupid no woman in her right mind could tolerate him for any length of time.

If being gay is not a choice how do you explain all the men that have changed their sexual preference, married, and are raising a family?

 

[talloulou]

If being gay is not a choice how do you explain all the men that have changed their sexual preference, married, and are raising a family?

The same way I explain all the men who marry, have children, and then leave their wives for a gay relationship. Denial takes many many forms. These people are dealing with societies and religions that vilify their sexual preference of course some of them are going to give in and make attempts at changing in order to fit in with the "norm." Conformity is very important to some people.

If it's environmental...how could a family with four boys produce three heterosexuals and one homosexual? In my opinion it's not even just a sexual thing. Many parents can tell that their child seems different at a very early age.

 

[Navy Pride]

The same way I explain all the men who marry, have children, and then leave their wives for a gay relationship. Denial takes many many forms. These people are dealing with societies and religions that vilify their sexual preference of course some of them are going to give in and make attempts at changing in order to fit in with the "norm." Conformity is very important to some people.

If it's environmental...how could a family with four boys produce three heterosexuals and one homosexual? In my opinion it's not even just a sexual thing. Many parents can tell that their child seems different at a very early age.

So your saying that all these men who have changed their sexual preference and now enjoy straight relationships are just in a state of denial.......

That is really sad my friend and a insult to all of them...........Do me a favor..cut back on the Liberal koolaid.........

 

[Naughty Nurse]

If being gay is not a choice how do you explain all the men that have changed their sexual preference, married, and are raising a family?

NP - we.ve had this argument from you before, and when challenged to provide some statistics to back it up you totally failed to do so. Are we going to get any evidence this time?

 

[talloulou]

So your saying that all these men who have changed their sexual preference and now enjoy straight relationships are just in a state of denial.......

That is really sad my friend and a insult to all of them...........Do me a favor..cut back on the Liberal koolaid.........

First off I don't consider myself liberal and lately I have voted mostly for Republicans.

Secondly I don't like koolaid, I prefer Snapple, if that is somehow relevant.

Third I at least I answered your question. You have yet to answer mine. How is it a normal happy healthy family can raise 4 boys with one being homosexual and the other 3 being heterosexual?

 

[Navy Pride]

NP - we.ve had this argument from you before, and when challenged to provide some statistics to back it up you totally failed to do so. Are we going to get any evidence this time?

Wrong NN, I jhave provided links many times but the liberals in the forum just say the men were brinwashed by religeous cults so what is the point in providing them again....

 

[Navy Pride]

First off I don't consider myself liberal and lately I have voted mostly for Republicans.

Secondly I don't like koolaid, I prefer Snapple, if that is somehow relevant.

Third I at least I answered your question. You have yet to answer mine. How is it a normal happy healthy family can raise 4 boys with one being homosexual and the other 3 being heterosexual?

Again my questions were not for you.......

Lets just say your conservative for a minute........Why do you argue and use the liberal viewpoint?.......T he Conservative I know and I know a hell of a lot more then you do say there is no conclusive proof either way on whether gay men are born that way but we believe it is a choice because so many men have changed their sexual preference........

 

[Kelzie]

Dude, Kelzie, come on. You pity my future wife? No, don't give me that. You don't know anything about how I treat women or my personal life, so don't even go there. I can honestly say that I have always treated women well, not that it's any of your ******* business. Naturally, you are misunderstanding what I meant or just not caring much to try to understand. I should have known that trying to debate with you liberal women was pointless over this issue. I really thought you were above petty personal attacks, Kelzie, but I see I was wrong. Thanks.

Well, than do us all a favor and explain what you meant when you said women are being selfish when they don't stay home with the kids. Cause it sure sounds sexist to me.

 

[ptsdkid]

This is for Tallyban:

You asked why or how one homo and three hetersexuals could come from a family of four boys. First, we did have a long process of debating this very subject where I and others had put up more proof showing that environment produced homos as compared to the unsubstantiated 'theory' that the child was born with some kind of gay gene. I'm not going to look up the facts; frankly, I'm too tired to go through that ordeal again.

I assume the 4 brothers lived a life on their own. In other words, they weren't shackled to one another. Therefore, if one turns gay it is because he happened to have walked with lighter loafers, and he happened to have witnessed or been a victim to some kind of trauma. Trauma that the other 3 brothers were lucky enough to have avoided. Pretty simple concept here. The hard part is to engage your brain long enough to see that I am right.

Give you another example of how the environment becomes the overriding factor in determining one's gayness. A married hetersexual woman get brutally raped at gunpoint where her life was threatened. She becomes a psychological basket case, thus refuses to let her husband touch her again. They soon divorce and she finds the only soothing comfort possible in the arms of another woman where she feels less threatened by the images of a 'MAN' force raping her. Gotta admit...this makes sense, and it happens all the time.

 

[Pacridge]

This is for Tallyban:

Please do not insert your own nicknames for other members. Refer to them by the name they have chosen for themselves or do not refer them.

Thank-you.

 

[talloulou]

Again my questions were not for you.......

Sorry I assumed since you were quoting me you were referring to me:roll:

Lets just say your conservative for a minute........Why do you argue and use the liberal viewpoint?

I get this all the time. Just as I have never found an organized religion that fits my views perfectly there will probably also never be a political party that's perfect. I do mostly vote Republican. I didn't realize the Republican party platform states that homosexuality is a mental disorder or learned condition, do they? And even if they did ....they're wrong. I owe allegiance to noone.
Just 'cause I usually vote Republican that doesn't mean I think everything every Republican has ever said or done has been wonderful.

.......T he Conservative I know and I know a hell of a lot more then you do say there is no conclusive proof either way on whether gay men are born that way but we believe it is a choice because so many men have changed their sexual preference........

For what it's worth I've met many Democrats with the same attitude. The one thing the dems & republicans who share this viewpoint tend to have in common is religion.

 

[talloulou]

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I assume the 4 brothers lived a life on their own. In other words, they weren't shackled to one another. Therefore, if one turns gay it is because he happened to have walked with lighter loafers, and he happened to have witnessed or been a victim to some kind of trauma. Trauma that the other 3 brothers were lucky enough to have avoided. Pretty simple concept here. The hard part is to engage your brain long enough to see that I am right.

I can see how this might make sense to you and seem rational but it doesn't and never will work for me 'cause I grew up with a friend that was gay. He was gay even when we were little before he even knew what sex was. He had no trauma in his life. His family is completely normal. I know you will say in your head he did have a trauma and I just don't know it. But I take him at his word and my mother swears she knew he was gay from the time he was two years old. O' well. Maybe one day you'll meet a gay person who can show you the light.

Give you another example of how the environment becomes the overriding factor in determining one's gayness. A married hetersexual woman get brutally raped at gunpoint where her life was threatened. She becomes a psychological basket case, thus refuses to let her husband touch her again. They soon divorce and she finds the only soothing comfort possible in the arms of another woman where she feels less threatened by the images of a 'MAN' force raping her. Gotta admit...this makes sense, and it happens all the time.

Maybe.....but I think those people are just more or less sexually confused for a time period. For example talkshow host Ellen is a lesbian. Ann Heche was just confused.

 

[Stace]

Wrong NN, I jhave provided links many times but the liberals in the forum just say the men were brinwashed by religeous cults so what is the point in providing them again....

Because your little anecdotes and "I know a person who said...." stories don't provide you with any sort of credibility. Perhaps if you found sources other than NewsMax, you wouldn't run into this problem. :smile:

 

[Stace]

So your saying that all these men who have changed their sexual preference and now enjoy straight relationships are just in a state of denial.......

That is really sad my friend and a insult to all of them...........Do me a favor..cut back on the Liberal koolaid.........

How do you know that they're "enjoying" a straight relationship? They could be hating every minute of it. They could be having an affair on the side. *Gasp* Their spouse may even know that they're gay and not care!!

You don't know the ins and outs of everyone else's relationships, NP. Just because they're involved in a "straight" relationship doesn't mean anything. Appearances can be deceiving.

 

[Navy Pride]

Well, than do us all a favor and explain what you meant when you said women are being selfish when they don't stay home with the kids. Cause it sure sounds sexist to me.

Modern days economics forces a mother to work because a family needs 2 incomes...............

Ideally the best thing for the child, especially in the early years is for the mother to stay home and raise the child........I know that is not the feminests attitude but it is the right one............

 

[Navy Pride]

How do you know that they're "enjoying" a straight relationship? They could be hating every minute of it. They could be having an affair on the side. *Gasp* Their spouse may even know that they're gay and not care!!

You don't know the ins and outs of everyone else's relationships, NP. Just because they're involved in a "straight" relationship doesn't mean anything. Appearances can be deceiving.

No one knows, not you, not me....I only have to go by their testimonials and unlike you I won't call them a liar......I take my hat off to them......

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Modern days economics forces a mother to work because a family needs 2 incomes...............

Ideally the best thing for the child, especially in the early years is for the mother to stay home and raise the child........I know that is not the feminests attitude but it is the right one............

Why can't the father stay at home with the child?

 

[talloulou]

Ideally the best thing for the child, especially in the early years is for the mother to stay home and raise the child........I know that is not the feminests attitude but it is the right one............

I agree! Of course if the father wants to be a stay at home dad and the mom makes the money I don't see why that wouldn't work as well. The important thing is that SOMEONE stays home and raises those kids vs shipping them off to daycare.

 

[Stace]

No one knows, not you, not me....I only have to go by their testimonials and unlike you I won't call them a liar......I take my hat off to them......

Uh.....where did I call anyone a liar?

Exactly.