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Do you support this administration's cutting of jobs because trump does not know how to compromise, only threaten?

bongsaway said:
Oh please. You guys cheered McConnell as he played obstructionist when Obama was president, tell me I'm being dishonest.
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TBH, I think it's time we get rid of these 40, 50-year career politicians. They give corruption a bad name.
 
Trumptards support it*
 
redbeer said:
To pass a CR in the Senate, it takes 60 votes:
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No it doesn't. It only requires 50+1.

Fact #1: There is not filibuster in the Constitution, legislation only requires a majority.

Fact #2: The 60 vote threshold is a requiredment under Senate rules.

Fact #3: Senate rules can be changes or suspended with a simple majority.

Fact #4: Upon suspension of the rules by simple majority, CR legislation (or any legislation for that matter) can be passed by a simple majority.
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As I said, the GOP can pass a CR/Budget/Legislation with a simple majority. They don't require a single DEM vote to ram it through. But they must understand that it opens the door for a DEM majority to do the same in the future.

WW
 
WorldWatcher said:
No it doesn't. It only requires 50+1.

Fact #1: There is not filibuster in the Constitution, legislation only requires a majority.

Fact #2: The 60 vote threshold is a requiredment under Senate rules.

Fact #3: Senate rules can be changes or suspended with a simple majority.

Fact #4: Upon suspension of the rules by simple majority, CR legislation (or any legislation for that matter) can be passed by a simple majority.
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As I said, the GOP can pass a CR/Budget/Legislation with a simple majority. They don't require a single DEM vote to ram it through. But they must understand that it opens the door for a DEM majority to do the same in the future.

WW
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Republicans are not going to do away with the filibuster as the democrats would. To pass this current CR in the Senate it is going to take 60 votes, as I said. The shutdown is on the democrats.
 
redbeer said:
Republicans are not going to do away with the filibuster as the democrats would. To pass this current CR in the Senate it is going to take 60 votes, as I said. The shutdown is on the democrats.
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No, the shutdown is on the party causing the shut down which is the GOP. They can pass the CR without a single DEM vote.

They CHOOSE not to, which is a different matrix than they CAN'T. They can pass it, they choose to shut it down.

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WorldWatcher said:
Shut it down and make it painful so that Congress will really hear from constituents.
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I'm convince the general population isn't smart enough to blame the correct people as you been reading this thread.

I lost faith in people in general. I just can't believe how stupid the general population is.
 
Toggle Almendro said:
I'm not comfortable with accusations of dishonesty. But you are definitely being inaccurate.

Obama wrecked his second term all by himself by squandering the entire first hundred days of his second term throwing a tantrum about the NRA instead of trying to do something useful for the American people.
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McConnell said, our job is to make sure Obama is a one term president. Does that sound like obstruction to you? Trump is doing useful stuff for America?
 
redbeer said:
Agreed, sure wish someone would school the Democrat party on this basic principle, instead of the purposeful obstruction.
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It's Trump and the GOP who refuse to discuss the CR with Dems. Trump was going to but the GOP leadership got to him and stopped it . They were terrified he would cave. They know he is a lousy negotiator and usually goes with the last person he talked to.
 
redbeer said:
Agreed, sure wish someone would school the Democrat party on this basic principle, instead of the purposeful obstruction.
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What makes you think they're not standing on principle? They've got legitimate concerns on the cuts to Healthcare, Foreign Aid, etc., just like Republicans have their own legitimate concerns.
 
This President wants a shut down. What better way to exert more power….
 
Cordelier said:
What makes you think they're not standing on principle? They've got legitimate concerns on the cuts to Healthcare, Foreign Aid, etc., just like Republicans have their own legitimate concerns.
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The other issue that the Dems aren't really pushing is the fact , given Trump has never sent a budget to Congress, it's a blank cheque. Trump has refused to spend money as allocated but has spent it any way he wants. So the third critical item, in addition to Medicaid and ACA subsidies is holding the WH accountable for their spending. Those are serious issues that the Dems have no other way to handle because the right refuses to discuss. I just hope they get their messaging act together. .....but it is the Dems so.....
 
Integrityrespec said:
So, the left has preached how thy hate Trump for a decade now.
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We're not politicians.

Trump is a child-rapist and a criminal who is violating every law there is. Your side doesn't seem to care about that.

Your side stopped supporting the constitution and the rule of law.
 
Cordelier said:
What makes you think they're not standing on principle? They've got legitimate concerns on the cuts to Healthcare, Foreign Aid, etc., just like Republicans have their own legitimate concerns.
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There's not a compromising bone in a democrats body when it comes to Trump or any Republican for that matter today. They are in all-out obstruction mode, period.
 
redbeer said:
There's not a compromising bone in a democrats body when it comes to Trump or any Republican for that matter today. They are in all-out obstruction mode, period.
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Yeah... everybody says that. Gingrich said that. McConnell said that. In the end, a deal gets done. Of course, there's a lot of nut cutting in between the talking and the walking, but it still gets done.
 
redbeer said:
Republicans are not going to do away with the filibuster as the democrats would. To pass this current CR in the Senate it is going to take 60 votes, as I said. The shutdown is on the democrats.
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We're going to explain a new term for you. I understand it is being put in the Dictionary for the first time ever. It is Compromise.

Now, the way a compromise works is both sides negotiate and find a middle ground they can both live with.

This is a massive departure of the Republicans normal way of doing business. Do it my way or else. But if you want to get more votes, you have to do it this way. If not, you have to figure out how to do it the my way or else way.

If you don't want to negotiate, you can't expect people to support you. If you don't want to compromise then screaming it's their fault when they have been asking for meetings and discussions for months, is sort of, well put it this way. That much poop in one statement is going to be a real mess to cleanup.

This is the standard you wanted. This is what happens when you refuse to discuss or try and reach any compromise. My way or else, results in or else pretty much every time. You wanted it, you got it. Enjoy it.
 
redbeer said:
There's not a compromising bone in a democrats body when it comes to Trump or any Republican for that matter today. They are in all-out obstruction mode, period.
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Yeah you can tell that is absolutely true when no Republican will even sit down and talk to the Democrats in a negotiation. Oh wait. That's the Republicans who won't compromise. Um. Let me get back to you about how awful the Democrats are.

Oh yeah. This is all the Democrats fault because they didn't put up a better candidate and Trump won.
 
Callen said:
The other issue that the Dems aren't really pushing is the fact , given Trump has never sent a budget to Congress, it's a blank cheque. Trump has refused to spend money as allocated but has spent it any way he wants. So the third critical item, in addition to Medicaid and ACA subsidies is holding the WH accountable for their spending. Those are serious issues that the Dems have no other way to handle because the right refuses to discuss. I just hope they get their messaging act together. .....but it is the Dems so.....
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True, but not submitting a budget isn't uncommon for first year Presidents. I get your point on the messaging - it needs to be focused on a few key spending areas. If they try fighting him on everything, they won't beat him on anything.
 
Callen said:
The way Vought is going about it what's unusual. He says a budget is not in the Administration's interests. No kidding!

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Oh, I know Vought is out there, but it's still mandated by law.

31 USC §1105 (a)

"(a) On or after the first Monday in January but not later than the first Monday in February of each year, the President shall submit a budget of the United States Government for the following fiscal year. Each budget shall include a budget message and summary and supporting information. The President shall include in each budget the following..."

For 2025, that means the Budget should have been submitted between Jan. 6 and Feb. 3. Since Trump only came into office on Jan 20, it's probably unreasonable to expect him to have a Budget submitted by Feb. 3. If I'm not going to attack Biden for not submitting a Budget this year (whether it would have been DOA or not), I'm not going to attack Trump for doing the same thing.
 
Cordelier said:
Oh, I know Vought is out there, but it's still mandated by law.

31 USC §1105 (a)

"(a) On or after the first Monday in January but not later than the first Monday in February of each year, the President shall submit a budget of the United States Government for the following fiscal year. Each budget shall include a budget message and summary and supporting information. The President shall include in each budget the following..."

For 2025, that means the Budget should have been submitted between Jan. 6 and Feb. 3. Since Trump only came into office on Jan 20, it's probably unreasonable to expect him to have a Budget submitted by Feb. 3. If I'm not going to attack Biden for not submitting a Budget this year (whether it would have been DOA or not), I'm not going to attack Trump for doing the same thing.
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Yes, a lot of things are mandated by law but Trump is ignoring the law and Congress is allowing it. So if Vought won't produce a budget what happens...nothing
 
Callen said:
Yes, a lot of things are mandated by law but Trump is ignoring the law and Congress is allowing it. So if Vought won't produce a budget what happens...nothing
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Truth be told, with the way the Budget process is so broken today, a President not submitting a Budget would be about the least screwed up thing about it. Congress hasn't been able to pass it's own Budget resolution since about 2007 or so.

There's no Executive Budget process, there's no Legislative Budget process. All we're really left with a high-noon showdown at the end of every fiscal year where the President faces off with whoever happens to be pulling the levers in Congress.
 
Cordelier said:
Truth be told, with the way the Budget process is so broken today, a President not submitting a Budget would be about the least screwed up thing about it. Congress hasn't been able to pass it's own Budget resolution since about 2007 or so.

There's no Executive Budget process, there's no Legislative Budget process. All we're really left with a high-noon showdown at the end of every fiscal year where the President faces off with whoever happens to be pulling the levers in Congress.
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I must admit it the love of taking things to the cliff 's edge with no discipline or predictable process baffles me as an acceptable governance process. however, the electorate seems complacent.
 
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