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Do you support the Nordic model for the US?

Do you support the Nordic model along with the huge tax increases necessary to provide it?


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Some people will be content with a minimum standard of living 🤷‍♀️

Others won’t.

I’m in full support of making sure that all people are entitled to a decent standard of living.
We're at 60% of adults working currently. I don't think we want that to decrease even more.
 
The USA, the wealthiest economy on the planet has no reason to see poverty and homelessness in every city coast to coast. If you call that freedom, then let don't worry about the Drunks and Dope Addicts that live on the sidewalk down on Skid Row in your town.

America. Built on the fundamentals of a religious foundation called Christianity. Charity comes from the rich to aid the needy.

But try taxing the greedy like President Trump and his MAGA nationalist and see what happens... They either cheat or file bankruptcy to avoid paying their fair share.
 
Creating a situation where a McJob + numerous “safety net” program benefits allows enjoying a (lower?) middle class standard of living should be avoided.

So, you want to decide what type of job is good enough for people to have a basic standard of living?

What job do you do and why do you deserve to be paid enough to not need several jobs just to stay afloat?
 
I voted YES. I have relatives in Finland who are very happy with their government and financial/medical/educational system.

Now that trump is dictator here, again, they will no longer be visiting America, and I told them it was a wise decision and encouraged them not to.

I am born and raised in the US, and I don't feel safe here and our citizens are being fired from their jobs and thrown off of health care. All of our support systems are being bombed by this Fascist Regime. We're being gunned down, kidnapped, abused and killed by orders from our Commander In Cheat.

Middle class/poor honest people who could barely make ends meet are now being taxed to death by the Fascist Regime and losing their jobs to boot.

I just watched this short video for more perspective of using the Nordic model in the US. I don't think I'll see any positive changes in my lifetime. If we took a baby step and had Medicare for All or similar program, it would be a start.

But this is no longer a democracy and a demented ignorant tyrant is screaming his orders of personal revenge, revenge of all who won't kneel before him and cover up his crimes and lies, against those who actually put country over selfish financial gains and power grabs. Revenge of Patriotic Americans who follow the rule of law and our Constitution.

 
We're at 60% of adults working currently. I don't think we want that to decrease even more.
While that’s true,

We are currently around 81% of Americans between the ages of 18-54 working.

2 out of 5 Americans over the age of 18 don’t work. That includes retirees and the disabled.

And 🤷‍♀️ people like me who do not HAVE to work because we are comfortable enough wealth wise that I don’t HAVE to.

You want fewer stay at home parents? Is that it? Or do you want to force retirees and the disabled to work?


The percentage of able bodied, non-disabled (or non-care giver for young or disabled) adults between the ages of 18-54 that don’t work and collect any sort of benefits is very small.

And 🤷‍♀️ the number of elderly is only going to continue to increase - which is why we need more immigration.
 
We're at 60% of adults working currently. I don't think we want that to decrease even more.
Children have no shoes on their feet or food to eat in this land. But we are the Global Imperialist that has more weapons than all the other nations combined. Maybe we should re-think why America has to be the one to police the world and come to a solution to fund Heath-care.
BTW 10,000 seniors are retiring every day. And now we have even less people to do the un-skilled labor that migrants were doing. Who will pick the produce ? Not Me!
 
We're at 60% of adults working currently. I don't think we want that to decrease even more.

Who do you want working who aren't currently?

The retired?
The cripplingly sick and mentally ill?
People in prison?

Many are unemployed due to no fault of their own like reduced for example and don't have the money to just move where the work is.
Republicans constantly cut funding for programs that help people back into work and then complain when people fail to find work.
 
While that’s true,

We are currently around 81% of Americans between the ages of 18-54 working.

2 out of 5 Americans over the age of 18 don’t work. That includes retirees and the disabled.

And 🤷‍♀️ people like me who do not HAVE to work.

You aren’t going to make people like me work.

And it is weird and cruel to think retirees and disabled people should work more than they do.

The percentage of able bodied, non-disabled (or non-care giver for young or disabled) adults between the ages of 18-54 that don’t work and collect any sort of benefits is very small.

And 🤷‍♀️ the number of elderly is only going to continue to increase - which is why we need more immigration.

What is more, I think having a comprehensive social safety net would make it so that we would have even more people working, namely because we would have fewer disabled people over the long haul since these folks would have access to preventative care and physical therapy that is not prohibitively expensive.
 
So, you want to decide what type of job is good enough for people to have a basic standard of living?

Nope, but I oppose having a welfare state.

What job do you do and why do you deserve to be paid enough to not need several jobs just to stay afloat?

I work as a self-employed handyman and don’t think anyone “deserves” to be paid any particular wage/salary.
 
What is more, I think having a comprehensive social safety net would make it so that we would have even more people working, namely because we would have fewer disabled people over the long haul since these folks would have access to preventative care and physical therapy that is not prohibitively expensive.
And with expanding access to childcare, you might see individuals that are currently stay at home parents enter the workforce.

There are individuals that opt to be stay at home parents because there is NO sense in a parent going TO work daily when the salary they earn will only barely cover childcare costs 🤷‍♀️

For some, it actually becomes a net LOSS for the parent to go to work between daycare + transit + work appropriate attire, etc.

(I know several stay at home Moms that fall into this category - it makes no sense for them to go and get a job when basically everything they earn would go to cover daycare and/or before/after care bills)
 
Who do you want working who aren't currently?

The retired?
The cripplingly sick and mentally ill?
People in prison?

Many are unemployed due to no fault of their own like reduced for example and don't have the money to just move where the work is.
Republicans constantly cut funding for programs that help people back into work and then complain when people fail to find work.

According to the Foundation for Government Accountability (FGA), 69 percent of the increased federal Medicaid costs since 2000 can be attributed to Obamacare enrollment increases. A plurality of Medicaid spending has now been diverted to able-bodied adults, with the breakdown as follows:

  • 35.9% of spending on able-bodied adults
  • 31.4% of spending on individuals with disabilities
  • 19.9% of spending on seniors
  • 12.8% of spending on children
In 2000, there were 6.9 million able-bodied adults on Medicaid. Today, there are 34 million of them. To make matters worse, most are not working. As FGA notes, “Across 23 states with responsive records, a whopping 62 percent of able-bodied adults on Medicaid had no earned income, meaning they were not working at all.”

Over a 10-year budget window, implementing work requirements on able-bodied adults under 60 without young children could save taxpayers $260 billion.

 
According to the Foundation for Government Accountability (FGA), 69 percent of the increased federal Medicaid costs since 2000 can be attributed to Obamacare enrollment increases. A plurality of Medicaid spending has now been diverted to able-bodied adults, with the breakdown as follows:

  • 35.9% of spending on able-bodied adults
  • 31.4% of spending on individuals with disabilities
  • 19.9% of spending on seniors
  • 12.8% of spending on children
In 2000, there were 6.9 million able-bodied adults on Medicaid. Today, there are 34 million of them. To make matters worse, most are not working. As FGA notes, “Across 23 states with responsive records, a whopping 62 percent of able-bodied adults on Medicaid had no earned income, meaning they were not working at all.”

Over a 10-year budget window, implementing work requirements on able-bodied adults under 60 without young children could save taxpayers $260 billion.

A known partisan source and these numbers have been refuted. Repeatedly.

🤷‍♀️
 
Children have no shoes on their feet or food to eat in this land. But we are the Global Imperialist that has more weapons than all the other nations combined. Maybe we should re-think why America has to be the one to police the world and come to a solution to fund Heath-care.
BTW 10,000 seniors are retiring every day. And now we have even less people to do the un-skilled labor that migrants were doing. Who will pick the produce ? Not Me!
There would be no shortage of legal immigrant AG workers if all farmer operators brought the working and living conditions required for H-2A visa workers.
 
OK, so what's your source?
Among adults under age 65 with Medicaid who do not receive benefits from the Social Security disability programs, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI), and who are not also covered by Medicare (referred to hereafter as “Medicaid adults”), 92% were working full or part-time (64%), or not working due to caregiving responsibilities, illness or disability, or school attendance. The remaining 8% of Medicaid adults reported that they are retired, unable to find work, or were not working for another reason


Unlike FGA - KFF is widely considered reliable and non-partisan.

The number is 8%, not 62% as FGA claims.

FGA is a conservative think tank. They advocate for what they believe in. KFF doesn’t advocate and is a nonpartisan research organization.

It’s important to understand the underlying biases in sources.
 
According to the Foundation for Government Accountability (FGA), 69 percent of the increased federal Medicaid costs since 2000 can be attributed to Obamacare enrollment increases. A plurality of Medicaid spending has now been diverted to able-bodied adults, with the breakdown as follows:

  • 35.9% of spending on able-bodied adults
  • 31.4% of spending on individuals with disabilities
  • 19.9% of spending on seniors
  • 12.8% of spending on children
In 2000, there were 6.9 million able-bodied adults on Medicaid. Today, there are 34 million of them. To make matters worse, most are not working. As FGA notes, “Across 23 states with responsive records, a whopping 62 percent of able-bodied adults on Medicaid had no earned income, meaning they were not working at all.”

Over a 10-year budget window, implementing work requirements on able-bodied adults under 60 without young children could save taxpayers $260 billion.


This may amaze you but I'm sure there are already rules for who can and can't get money while unemployed.
You can't just roll into the unemployment office and just say you can't be bothered to work so give me loads of money.
That's not how that works.

Also your side is incharge for 50% of the last hundred years so how have you let the situation get to this point if it's so untenable?
Your side helped make the rules you're complaining about.
 
There would be no shortage of legal immigrant AG workers if all farmer operators brought the working and living conditions required for H-2A visa workers.

OK, but since that’s optional (due to lack of enforcement) many opt to use illegal immigrant labor.
 
I disagree. If enough people are led to suffer under the rule of the billionaires as social mobility is collapsed and the social safety net is stripped away, they will revolt, either at the ballot box, or if that is taken from them, with guns.
Agree, such a 'for fun' thread brings much distress and sadness. The future of this country is dark, it is unrecognizable.
 
This may amaze you but I'm sure there are already rules for who can and can't get money while unemployed.
You can't just roll into the unemployment office and just say you can't be bothered to work so give me loads of money.
That's not how that works.

Also your side is incharge for 50% of the last hundred years so how have you let the situation get to this point if it's so untenable?
Your side helped make the rules you're complaining about.

States (thus their federal representatives regardless of political party) like getting “free” federal funds.
 
State Representatives do not represent their voters when they bow and kiss the ring. The only ones actually serving the people are the ones leaving office in 2026.
 
UHC is less expensive per insured person. US costs would go down.
That's what they said about Obamacare too. I'll believe it when I see it.

It is expensive mainly because of the ridiculous for-profit private healthcare insurance industry.
Others might say it's expensive because the government got involved. Probably a little bit of both. People see the United States and dollar signs flash in their eyes.
 
The Nordic model provides free healthcare, education, childcare, and more, but it comes at a very steep price compared to what we pay now:



If you want the Nordic model, no matter where you are on the economic ladder, you will bend over for the tax man and no lubrication will be provided. All of the Nordic countries have a 25% VAT, they all tax the shit out of gasoline, diesel, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. Norway is a petro-state, and gas is $8 per gallon there because of taxes. In Denmark, to register a $20,000 car, there is an 85% tax. A $40,000 car gets hit with a 150% tax. That's why you see pictures of miserable Danes riding their bikes in the rain and snow.



This one is from Gemini:
This post is a fairly typical example of American political rhetoric, mixing grains of truth with exaggerations and ideological spin to make a political point. In this case: “The Nordic model = sky-high taxes + miserable cycling socialists.” 🥱

Let’s break it down objectively:

  • Tax levels and revenue per capita
It’s partly true that Denmark collects more tax revenue per capita than the US, so the raw numbers aren’t entirely wrong. What they don’t tell you is that Denmark gets far more in return: free healthcare, education, childcare, pension and social security. Americans pay for these same things privately , through insurance premiums, college tuition, medical bills, and so on.When you count what households actually pay, the difference is far less and in favor of Denmark In other words: Denmark collects more through public channels, but Americans pay even more, just to private actors instead of the state. It’s also telling that Denmark was chosen as the example here, since it has the highest overall tax burden in the Nordics, higher than Sweden, Norway, or Finland.

And as for the “miserable Danes riding their bikes in the rain” Danes cycle mostly by choice, because: It’s faster in cities, It’s cheaper, and The cycling infrastructure is excellent. Calling them “miserable” says more about American values than about Danish quality of life.

In all international comparisons (UN, OECD, World Happiness Report), Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland consistently rank among the world’s happiest nations well ahead of the US
  • Gas prices and taxes
Yes, gasoline is more expensive in Norway and Denmark (around $6–$8 per gallon), but that’s deliberate. It’s part of climate and transportation policy, not a side effect of socialism. Norway heavily subsidizes electric vehicles, which is why over 80% of new car sales are now EVs. High fuel taxes fund infrastructure and welfare, not private profits. It’s also true that Denmark has a car registration tax of 85–150%, but that’s partly offset by other factors. Owning a car is less necessary due to good public transportation and shorter distances.

Those who genuinely need a car can get deductions for certain types (EVs, work vehicles, etc.). And just like in Sweden, Danes can deduct commuting costs when no adequate public transport is available. This deduction includes not only fuel but also maintenance costs. As of 2025, the deduction rate is about 2.2 Danish kroner per kilometer.

  • The rhetorical distortion
The core trick in the OP post is comparing taxes without comparing what you get for them. An average American family often pays $12,000–$20,000 per year for health insurance, thousands more for college or daycare, plus extra for pensions, medical emergencies, and other risks covered by the state in the Nordics.

So yes; you “bend over for the tax man” in Denmark. But in the US, you bend over for the insurance companies, hospitals, and universities instead. The difference lies in who takes your money. Private corporations or the state, and what happens to what’s left over. In the Nordic countries, any surplus goes toward improving public infrastructure like roads, hospitals, services. In the US, it tends to go toward making the top 10% even richer. The surplus or profits in the welfare system are much larger in the US than in Denmark and the services cost more. To provide Americans with Danish-level welfare at American cost levels, the US would need roughly $37,000–$40,000 in public revenue per capita, more than double today’s figure. So these industries has a lot of winnings that do not come the taxpayers But to be fair, we need to way in better salaries in the US for the same upper and middle class job as well. This however does not translate to the working class. The danish workingclass has not only al above they also have better salaries…
 
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Yes, gasoline is more expensive in Norway and Denmark (around $6–$8 per gallon), but that’s deliberate. It’s part of climate and transportation policy, not a side effect of socialism. Norway heavily subsidizes electric vehicles, which is why over 80% of new car sales are now EVs.

Norway sells about 1.6 million barrels per day of crude oil. Perhaps you can explain how profiting from dirty fossil fuel is consistent with "climate policy" and Gaia worship.
 
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