Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?[W:187]

[AGENT J]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Denying someone the ability to kill their baby in the womb is not disrespecting of anyone,nor is it is violating anyone's rights or placing one life over the other.Banning elective abortion makes the unborn child equal to everyone.Those of who think it is okay to kill people just because you do not view them as people have no moral high ground to stand on. In the future history will view you abortionists like other evil vile people in history.

actually "banning abortion" would factually infringe on a woman's current legal and human rights, denying that fact is beyond dishonest
it also would NOT make the child equal it would make the woman a lesser LMAO
nobody here said its ok to kill people, why post lies when they are easy to prove otherwise?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Denying someone the ability to kill their baby in the womb is not disrespecting of anyone,nor is it is violating anyone's rights or placing one life over the other.Banning elective abortion makes the unborn child equal to everyone.Those of who think it is okay to kill people just because you do not view them as people have no moral high ground to stand on. In the future history will view you abortionists like other evil vile people in history.

So that's just a bucketload of 'na huh!' with no substance except your useless rage. You gave no support to your position, gave no justification for violating women's rights when you would take from them and give the exact same things to the unborn whom you apparently believe deserve them more.

Your useless rage is noted...as is your dismissal and disrespect of women...whom you choose to toss aside in favor of the unborn.

Also noted: you have zero moral High Ground in doing so.

You have no answers, only emotional knee-jerk dogma. I asked you for 'how' we could treat women and the unborn equally. You have no answer, only 'because I said so.'

Thankfully the govt and the majority of the people dont have to listen to your 'because I said so.'

 

[Stopandthink]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

You didnt ask that. This was your original question, and my answer:






I was responding to your question about if it was a 'being.'

If you are changing this to 'human being' and are questioning the legal and scientific angles:

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8



Regarding science:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_birth_(human)

Please stop moving the goal posts. I hope that I have answered your question.

Lol what other type of being do you think a born baby would be? And why don't you think cutting the cord is important to your ideology of a born individual separate from mother

 

[Lursa]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

And why don't you think cutting the cord is important to your ideology of a born individual separate from mother

Where did I address that 'ideologically' at all?

I did speak to it scientifically and legally (and provided links). In both cases, intact umbilical cord or not, the born is an individual separate from the mother.

How do you view the status of individuality with the unbilical cord still attached, ideologically? Perhaps some context would help, if you could provide your answer.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

You have no answers, only emotional knee-jerk dogma. I asked you for 'how' we could treat women and the unborn equally. You have no answer, only 'because I said so.'

Thankfully the govt and the majority of the people dont have to listen to your 'because I said so.'

You keep making this fraudulent claim that somehow deny you the ability to have a baby killed in the womb for what ever reason you want is somehow a violation of your rights.You also keep making fraudulent claims that somehow a human being is somehow not a person or people just because that human being is in the womb.

When you side with monsters who think it is okay to babies in the womb for what ever reason they want and think it should be legal to do then you have no moral high ground what so ever. Amazing how you abortionist support the killing of millions of unborn babies all over the planet and have the audacity to say that someone or someones burning down one those baby killing facilities are somehow terrorists.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

actually "banning abortion" would factually infringe on a woman's current legal and human rights, denying that fact is beyond dishonest
it also would NOT make the child equal it would make the woman a lesser LMAO
nobody here said its ok to kill people, why post lies when they are easy to prove otherwise?

What is dishonest is claiming that banning someone from killing a innocent human being for what ever reason they want is a violation of someone's right or makes people less equal t others.What is also dishonest is claiming that human being is somehow not a person or people in or to justify being able to legally kill that person for what ever reason you want. Laws against murder do not violate anyone's rights, nor does it make one person less equal to others. Banning elective abortion makes the child in the womb equal to the life of his or her mother seeing how no one can just kill the mother for what ever reason that he or she wants.The only people posting lies are abortionists making fraudulent claims about rights being violated and claims that human beings are somehow not people or persons.

 

[Robbie Loucks]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

I generally don't support any kind of arson.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

You keep making this fraudulent claim that somehow deny you the ability to have a baby killed in the womb for what ever reason you want is somehow a violation of your rights.You also keep making fraudulent claims that somehow a human being is somehow not a person or people just because that human being is in the womb.
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Of course it would be if it were illegal to do so, because the govt could not force a woman to remain pregnant without violating her rights. It cant even find out if she is pregnant without violating her rights.

And if *you choose* to imagine that it's criminal to have an abortion, that's your choice. But you have no right to force that opinion on others. I could as easily say you are a monster for desiring to use force against women and for disregarding their rights....but I dont look at it irrationally that way. It would be meaninless, as is your opinion on women who choose to have abortions in their and their famiilies best interests.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Of course it would be if it were illegal to do so, because the govt could not force a woman to remain pregnant without violating her rights. It cant even find out if she is pregnant without violating her rights.

The government is not forcing anything.A woman got pregnant because she chose to engage in activity that is biological designed for conception.So she chose to get pregant. The only ones who can argue that they are forced are rape victims. Seeing how rape victims make up a tiny percentage of elective abortions, then this is a non issue(abortionists love to claim how late term abortions make up a tiny percentage of all abortions and that it is a non issue.But then they scream bloody murder if anyone proposes a late term abortion ban).

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

1.) What is dishonest is claiming that banning someone from killing a innocent human being for what ever reason they want is a violation of someone's right or makes people less equal t others.

2.) What is also dishonest is claiming that human being is somehow not a person or people in or to justify being able to legally kill that person for what ever reason you want. Laws against murder do not violate anyone's rights, nor does it make one person less equal to others.

3.) Banning elective abortion makes the child in the womb equal to the life of his or her mother seeing how no one can just kill the mother for what ever reason that he or she wants.

4.)The only people posting lies are abortionists making fraudulent claims about rights being violated and claims that human beings are somehow not people or persons.

1.) sorry I never once claimed that but please feel free to post more lies LMAO Disagree qoute me sayign that, you wont, cause you cant because you made it up like most of your failed posts.

2.) see#1

3.) Your statement is 100% factually wrong, laws and rights prove that. There is factually no way to make them equal because of the unique circumstance. In fact theres not one law, right or anything else based on legality that supports your failed claims. You are free to "feel" how ever you choose but your feelings are meaningless to laws and rights.

4.) see #1 I never did what you claimed. Your posted lies fail again.

We get it you support terrorism. Most don't.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

The government is not forcing anything.A woman got pregnant because she chose to engage in activity that is biological designed for conception.So she chose to get pregant. The only ones who can argue that they are forced are rape victims. Seeing how rape victims make up a tiny percentage of elective abortions, then this is a non issue(abortionists love to claim how late term abortions make up a tiny percentage of all abortions and that it is a non issue.But then they scream bloody murder if anyone proposes a late term abortion ban).

And since getting pregnant is not illegal, there is no due process available to infringe on any of her rights, such as privacy, liberty, pursuit of happiness, even life. The govt cannot place the woman's right to life below that of the unborn's (imagined) right to life. And it cannot force her to take that significant risk against her will.

So you would deny women their rights to give the exact same ones to the unborn? That is not equal.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

1.) sorry I never once claimed that but please feel free to post more lies LMAO Disagree qoute me sayign that, you wont, cause you cant because you made it up like most of your failed posts.

2.) see#1

Abortionist claim all the time that banning them from killing their baby is somehow a violation of their rights.

3.) Your statement is 100% factually wrong, laws and rights prove that. There is factually no way to make them equal because of the unique circumstance. In fact theres not one law, right or anything else based on legality that supports your failed claims. You are free to "feel" how ever you choose but your feelings are meaningless to laws and rights.

You can not kill anyone outside the outside the womb for what ever reason you want.Making it so you can not kill anyone inside the womb for what ever reason you want does make them equal. It does not make anyone less equal.

4.) see #1 I never did what you claimed. Your posted lies fail again.

What a lie.Evil sick people dehumanize other people in order to justify the killing of others.For example you abortionist claim the child in the womb is not human,person,or people in order to justify it being legal for someone to kill a child in their womb. Abortionists scream bloody murder all the time that prolifers are trying to take away their right to kill their baby in the womb.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

And since getting pregnant is not illegal, there is no due process available to infringe on any of her rights, such as privacy, liberty, pursuit of happiness, even life. The govt cannot place the woman's right to life below that of the unborn's (imagined) right to life. And it cannot force her to take that significant risk against her will.

So you would deny women their rights to give the exact same ones to the unborn? That is not equal.

Again saying you can not kill the child in your womb does not infringe on your rights, nor does it make anyone less equal.There is no constitutional right to kill your unborn child.The fourth amendment is about searches and seizures requiring a warrant bases on probable cause.Banning people from killing their unborn children does not in any shape or form violate this.

 

[Lovebug]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Seriously, 3 people said yes?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Again saying you can not kill the child in your womb does not infringe on your rights, nor does it make anyone less equal.There is no constitutional right to kill your unborn child.The fourth amendment is about searches and seizures requiring a warrant bases on probable cause.Banning people from killing their unborn children does not in any shape or form violate this.

You can keep on writing that but it doesnt make it true. I've given you examples of exactly how it would and is.

If you choose to delude yourself, that's your prerogative. Your interpretations of the law are not the way the courts see it for many rights, including the right to life, liberty (The positive enjoyment of social, political, or economic rights and privileges), pursuit of happiness (self-determination), due process, and privacy, to name a few that would be violated. To recognize and protect them for the unborn would require violating them for women. Your denial doesnt change this.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

1.)Abortionist claim all the time that banning them from killing their baby is somehow a violation of their rights.
2.)You can not kill anyone outside the outside the womb for what ever reason you want.
3.) Making it so you can not kill anyone inside the womb for what ever reason you want does make them equal.
4.) It does not make anyone less equal.

5.)What a lie.Evil sick people dehumanize other people in order to justify the killing of others.

6.) For example you abortionist claim the child in the womb is not human,person,or people in order to justify it being legal for someone to kill a child in their womb. 7.)Abortionists scream bloody murder all the time that prolifers are trying to take away their right to kill their baby in the womb.

1.) COrrect banning abortion WOULD be a violation of current rights both legal and human. That is a fact.
The nonsensical dishonesty lie you posted about "banning someone from killing a innocent human being for what ever reason they want" is not what anybody is discussing
thanks you for proving my point that you cant qoute me saying that lie you made up
2.) Correct
3.) facts, laws and rights all prove your absurd claim to be 100% false, its either dishonesty or topical ignore on your part.
Its not equal because its not the same nor is it "for whatever reason the want" LMAO why do you keep repeating that lie?

inside a person and outside a person is a HUGE difference . . . . its like comparing shooting the neighbor while he is in his own yard mowing his grass to killing a person who broke into your house and is threatening you, they are no where close to the same to anybody topical honest.

4.) it factually does based on rights, reality and law as already proven

5.) you keep saying this but proof has already been presented that destroyer your failed post. You cant support your false claim with ONE single fact.

6.) there you go again, "i" have never claimed any of that

7.) and yet ANOTHER posted lie, nobody has this right so nobody is claiming it is being taken away. Your post fails again.

Next time simply post less lies, dont make up false claims and use facts, rights and law and you'll have more success. Let me know if there's any other mistakes I can help you with and you're welcome.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

I just have to point out, that there's a possibility that the fire could have been started by a radical pro-choice person/group in order to smear the pro-life movement. Ten years ago I would have never entertained such a notion, but there's been so many instances over the last 10 years of the left attempting to frame the right by staging fake hate-crimes, that any logical person must consider the possibility that this is another one of those instances.

 

[LaylaWindu]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

I don't generally condone violence, but my analogy is as thus: if you would support the bombing of a concentration camp, then why would you not support the destruction of an abortion mill?

That said, I'd like to see no one killed if possible, so if it's just structure damage I'm not going to shed a tear over seeing Planned Parenthood go.

Your analogy is absurd and hurts pro-life more than it will ever help. Good grief, this board is far better than where I was but one thing it does like is rational, sensible and honest pro-lifers. I have been told they are here they just don't frequently post because of the "other" pro-lifers.

 

[phattonez]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Your analogy is absurd and hurts pro-life more than it will ever help. Good grief, this board is far better than where I was but one thing it does like is rational, sensible and honest pro-lifers. I have been told they are here they just don't frequently post because of the "other" pro-lifers.

So you have no intellectual response? Okay.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

So you have no intellectual response? Okay.

Many posters here including myself pointed out how your analogy failed, you had no ability to defend your claim against theme just like you have none against windu. It failed and nobody here who is honest, objective and topically educated falls for your deflection, it just further exposes the fact your post lost. LMAO

 

[LaylaWindu]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

So you have no intellectual response? Okay.

Do you think that response fools anybody? When you can defend your analogy let us know cupcake.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

I just have to point out, that there's a possibility that the fire could have been started by a radical pro-choice person/group in order to smear the pro-life movement. Ten years ago I would have never entertained such a notion, but there's been so many instances over the last 10 years of the left attempting to frame the right by staging fake hate-crimes, that any logical person must consider the possibility that this is another one of those instances.

Of course. There's no way that anyone on the right could possibly do anything wrong. It must be a false flag attack.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

So you have no intellectual response? Okay.

It's hard to formulate an intellectual response to something which is clearly not intellectual.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Of course. There's no way that anyone on the right could possibly do anything wrong. It must be a false flag attack.

Yes, that is exactly what I said... Geez

 

[rocket88]

Re: Do you support the arson of a washington Planned Parenthood?

Yes, that is exactly what I said... Geez

Then maybe you should be more clear.